White House bars AP, Reuters and other media from covering Trump cabinet meeting

[TheBigA]

Which is it? Stopping questions or ideological dispute?

Both. He's stopping questions because of an ideological dispute. This is not "friendly." Listen to what he says.

Whatever you want to call it, the Civil War was not a war.

Once again, he didn't jail or punish reporters based on personal whim. He said they had given aid & comfort to the enemy. Even then, he was opposed by democrats who called him on the constitutional question, just as groups are now. Calling the Gulf of Mexico by its internationally known name in an international stylebook is not giving aid & comfort to the enemy. Even this president is smart enough to know that.

The body of water in question has been called the Gulf of Mexico for hundreds of years. AP, whose influential stylebook is used by news outlets as an arbiter of language and usage, advised that because of its broad set of global customers, it would both refer to the body of water as the Gulf of Mexico and also reference Trump’s order changing the name to the Gulf of America within the United States.

 

[TheBigA]

Congress never declared war.

BTW They passed a resolution that was later repealed. Will this president jail reporters? I fully expect he will. Will he declare war on democrats or blue states? I fully expect he will. He admires Lincoln, and has a picture of him in the oval office.

Will it be broadcast on the radio & TV? Absolutely. It will be great for ratings. That's why he'll do it.

 

[Jean Luc]

BTW They passed a resolution that was later repealed. Will this president jail reporters? I fully expect he will. Will he declare war on democrats or blue states? I fully expect he will. He admires Lincoln, and has a picture of him in the oval office.

Will it be broadcast on the radio & TV? Absolutely. It will be great for ratings. That's why he'll do it.

He mostly talks about McKinley, known for tariffs and imperialism (including Puerto Rico and the Philippines). Unfortunately, Vance ain't no Teddy Roosevelt.

 

[secondchoice]

Whatever you want to call it, the Civil War was not a war. Congress never declared war. Lincoln used federal troops to stop states from seceding, which up to then was considered legal and appropriate. Without the right of secession, this isn't a union, it's an empire.

May be in the technical sense but almost every conflict since WW2 has not had a full declaration of War. Had there been a full declaration of war Lincoln would have had to except the Southern states as a nation. You can go to war with yourself. Except for Texas after the Civil War, folks slowly started to think of themselves as "American" not Virginian or NewYorkers.

We are not a Commonwealth. Once you are in there is not an "escape" unless it is in the deal when you join.

 

[Larry]

Actually this thread is about the white house banning the AP from the pool. So they can no longer ask questions. This was done over an ideological dispute and has nothing to do with the quality of questions or the size of the press corps. The white house has been very clear about it.

We should also remember there is a huge difference from the president declining to take questions from a member of the press they don’t like (for whatever reason) and banning them from the White House.

 

[Jean Luc]

May be in the technical sense but almost every conflict since WW2 has not had a full declaration of War. Had there been a full declaration of war Lincoln would have had to except the Southern states as a nation. You can go to war with yourself. Except for Texas after the Civil War, folks slowly started to think of themselves as "American" not Virginian or NewYorkers.

We are not a Commonwealth. Once you are in there is not an "escape" unless it is in the deal when you join.

Virginia stipulated that when it ratified the constitution. So did New York for that matter. Ironic, Quebec would have been allowed to secede. So would Scotland. But not allowed in the so called "land of the free." Not allowed for Ukraine either. That's the kind of company we're in.

 

[secondchoice]

Virginia stipulated that when it ratified the constitution. So did New York for that matter. Ironic, Quebec would have been allowed to secede. So would Scotland. But not allowed in the so called "land of the free." Not allowed for Ukraine either. That's the kind of company we're in.

The Civil War in the US was really about "states rights" to own slaves. There are all kinds of theories about what Abraham Lincoln would have done after the war but nobody really knows.

IMHO It really isn't a bad type government. We have never really have had a shortage of emigrants except for Western Kansas and the high planes desert where the Santa Fe (and other) railroad had to recruit folks from Russia (mainly Ukraine) for folks thad knowledge of dry land wheat farming. BTW several railroads had "overseas" agents recruiting folks but they (except the slaves) came here by choice.

The most part the majority of people in the Untied States are speak from of English. I don't know if P. R. will ever want to or will actually be become a state. Personally I can see both sides of the argument.

The Ukraine is a charter member of the UN. "Controlled by the USSR" for decades but never really accepted as a part of Russia. They gave up their percentage of their nuclear weapons after the break up of the USSR. If you read your history of Europe in the first half of the 20th century you should be very worried about Putin. Who wants to be the next Neville Chamberlain?

 

[davideduardo]

The Civil War in the US was really about "states rights" to own slaves.

Actually, it was about "states rights" and not just the perpetuation of slavery. It went deeper into what each state would / could / should delegate to the common wealth to administer. The southern leaders had a considerable and deeper feeling about what things belonged to them.

The most part the majority of people in the Untied States are speak from of English. I don't know if P. R. will ever want to or will actually be become a state. Personally I can see both sides of the argument.

For decades, there has been an almost even split between continued association and full statehood. Independence is a tiny, tiny portion of the preferences... often around 2%. The talk radio stations... and there are a bunch of them... are polarized either with commonwealth supporters or statehood supporters.

Interestingly, the statehood party, the PNP, is affiliated with the Republican Party on the mainland while the PPD is aligned with the Democratic Party.

Because statehood has been such a vital subject for well over half a century, listenership of the talk stations tends to be younger than anywhere on the mainland. And those stations, most of which are multi-station "networks" covering the whole island, can get as much as 20% of all AQH listening.

The Ukraine is a charter member of the UN. "Controlled by the USSR" for decades but never really accepted as a part of Russia. They gave up their percentage of their nuclear weapons after the break up of the USSR. If you read your history of Europe in the first half of the 20th century you should be very worried about Putin. Who wants to be the next Neville Chamberlain?

However, this is a radio discussion. I won't get into international politics. The discussion of Puerto Rico does involve how radio is programmed there, so it is slightly relevant.

 

[Jean Luc]

The Civil War in the US was really about "states rights" to own slaves. There are all kinds of theories about what Abraham Lincoln would have done after the war but nobody really knows.

That's what it was about to us. To people alive at the time, the main issue was tariffs. This issue had come up before during the Jackson administration and secession was threatened. A related issue was internal improvements. The North had become industrialized while the South was still largely agricultural. The South produced raw materials; the North produced manufactured goods. The tariff structure in place forced the South to sell their raw materials to the North and to buy finished goods from Northern manufacturers with Southerners thinking they might get better deals elsewhere. Add to that the federal government was investing heavily in rails and canals - mostly in the North. Yes, there were abolitionists in the North but they were a minority. The North had relatively small family farms while the South had huge plantations and large enslaved work forces (plus White tenant farmers and share croppers) which Northern farmers felt gave Southern planters an unfair advantage.

Lincoln had indicated he intended to send slaves back to Africa. Many Northern states, including his own state, Illinois, had laws barring Blacks from living there. As a lawyer, Lincoln had represented slave owners attempting to recapture run away slaves.

 

[TheBigA]

Lincoln had indicated he intended to send slaves back to Africa. Many Northern states, including his own state, Illinois, had laws barring Blacks from living there. As a lawyer, Lincoln had represented slave owners attempting to recapture run away slaves.

What we're talking about is using the force of the federal government against its own people. It doesn't matter who it is. Lincoln is a hero because he kept the union together. But he did things that the people didn't like. That's why his presidency ended the way they did.

This can be a great country if its leaders allow the people to live their lives and quit trying to force things on them. Stop interfering in the right of the people to use the power of the press, the fourth estate, to keep the government in line.

 

[Jean Luc]

What we're talking about is using the force of the federal government against its own people. It doesn't matter who it is. Lincoln is a hero because he kept the union together. But he did things that the people didn't like. That's why his presidency ended the way they did.

This can be a great country if its leaders allow the people to live their lives and quit trying to force things on them. Stop interfering in the right of the people to use the power of the press, the fourth estate, to keep the government in line.

There's a contradiction in what you say. He kept the union together by forcing it upon people who wanted to leave. The union, therefore, is not a voluntary association. It's an empire. The so called "union" is the product of conquest. This country would be and would have been better off without the states of the confederacy. There's a bit of hypocrisy in this "save the union" BS, too. How is the secession of 1861 any different than the secession of 1776? Southerners didn't think it was different. (George Washington and Robert E. Lee were members of the same extended family.)

 

[TheBigA]

There's a contradiction in what you say. He kept the union together by forcing it upon people who wanted to leave.

The colonists did the same thing to the royalists in the American revolution. Yet they were able to maintain a free and open press, and the right of the people to assemble was not abridged. It's hard to do, but the leaders have to allow a free press. That's part of the rules. You don't get one without the other. So yes there's an inherent contradiction in what it means to be American. It requires TOLERANCE, and that's what's missing from this administration.

 

[vchimpanzee]

The most part the majority of people in the Untied States are speak from of English. I don't know if P. R. will ever want to or will actually be become a state.

In 1979 I was in college and lived across the hall from a Puerto Rican who had friends who were from there and they were excited about the possibility.

 

[davideduardo]

In 1979 I was in college and lived across the hall from a Puerto Rican who had friends who were from there and they were excited about the possibility.

There have been multiple referenda about statehood, phrased in various ways, over the last 50 years or so. I voted in a number of them. But in each case, both statehood and continued "commonwealth" status have gotten very similar results. It has not successfully been taken to Congress.

 

[Jean Luc]

There have been multiple referenda about statehood, phrased in various ways, over the last 50 years or so. I voted in a number of them. But in each case, both statehood and continued "commonwealth" status have gotten very similar results. It has not successfully been taken to Congress.

I also understood that independence has also been presented as an option, at least in some of the referenda. Strange that it's been impossible to reach any consensus on Puerto Rico's future status. Are people really satisfied with the status quo or without any consensus the status quo continues?

 

[kevtronics]

Meanwhile for the first time in their history, Fox News has quietly removed the stock ticker from the bottom of their screen, hoping nobody would notice:

Fox News Criticized After Stock Ticker Removed During Trump Tariff Tumble

Social media users responded in real time.

www.tvinsider.com

 

[secondchoice]

Meanwhile for the first time in their history, Fox News has quietly removed the stock ticker from the bottom of their screen, hoping nobody would notice:

Fox News Criticized After Stock Ticker Removed During Trump Tariff Tumble

Social media users responded in real time.

www.tvinsider.com

Really it's off so the Fox employees don't get worried about their retirement.

 

[davideduardo]

I also understood that independence has also been presented as an option, at least in some of the referenda. Strange that it's been impossible to reach any consensus on Puerto Rico's future status. Are people really satisfied with the status quo or without any consensus the status quo continues?

Independence has, I believe, always been presented... if not always, on nearly every one of them. While there was considerably more pro-independence sentiment from the 50's and into the 70's, in the last 50 years the candidate for governor of the PIP, or Partido Independentista Puertoriqueña,, has not gotten more than a few percent of the vote.

Nearly everyone... in the high 90% range today... realizes that with overpopulation, no natural resources and no current strategic location, Puerto Rico could not survive as an independent nation without becoming something like Jamaica.

20% of the Island population has left in the last 30 years or so... with the vast majority going to Orlando and other areas in central Florida. This is because the tax incentives for companies doing manufacturing there have expired and not been renewed or refreshed. And nearly everybody has family off-island, so there is a significant link to the mainland U.S.

Half of my friends from Puerto Rico don't live there any more.

 

[Jean Luc]

Independence has, I believe, always been presented... if not always, on nearly every one of them. While there was considerably more pro-independence sentiment from the 50's and into the 70's, in the last 50 years the candidate for governor of the PIP, or Partido Independentista Puertoriqueña,, has not gotten more than a few percent of the vote.

Nearly everyone... in the high 90% range today... realizes that with overpopulation, no natural resources and no current strategic location, Puerto Rico could not survive as an independent nation without becoming something like Jamaica.

20% of the Island population has left in the last 30 years or so... with the vast majority going to Orlando and other areas in central Florida. This is because the tax incentives for companies doing manufacturing there have expired and not been renewed or refreshed. And nearly everybody has family off-island, so there is a significant link to the mainland U.S.

Half of my friends from Puerto Rico don't live there any more.

Seems like today there might be an additional option: Become a province of Canada. There have been discussions at different times about Turks and Caicos joining Canada but those never really got moving. Canadians have always been a significant part of the US tourism industry, especially snow birds in Florida, Southern California and the Southwest. Now the bottom has dropped out of Canadians visiting the US, part boycott, part additional restrictions and red tape, and largely fear of ICE. Snow birds need a new winter perch and Puerto Rico as part of Canada would be perfect. Canada would also bring universal health care and far more progressive social programs.

 

[CTListener]

Meanwhile for the first time in their history, Fox News has quietly removed the stock ticker from the bottom of their screen, hoping nobody would notice:

Fox News Criticized After Stock Ticker Removed During Trump Tariff Tumble

Social media users responded in real time.

www.tvinsider.com

According to Snopes, this is a lie.

Fox News didn't show live stocks ticker after Trump's tariffs announcement — markets were closed

Also, the right-leaning cable news channel has never had a continuous live stocks ticker.

www.snopes.com