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Who are the worst talk radio hosts in Boston?

MikeyBos said:
ChrisNH said:
If Massachusetts and Boston were doing wonderfully rather than in the toilet and a laughingstock for the rest of the country...

#1 Get a grip on reality. ::) MA is a great state to live in. I'm not even going to bother countering each specific statement you made which is so obviously not grounded in any sort of reality.

#2 Do you normally walk right into people's homes and insult them??? :mad:

AMEN!
 
And yet more blatent arroganace from a Mass elitist.

Casablanca said:
More Mooo'ing from Cowhampshire with the same steaming pile of the end product.

ChrisNH said:
Varulven said:
The fact that Depetro fits in Rhode Island like Howie fits up here shows how untalented those blokes are.

One has to be able to roll with the punches; be able to switch hats and discuss all sorts of issues.

Howie is one-note-charlie and it has gotten stale. The fact that everything around him is so ugly and awful he gets away with it. If we had real radio competition and a ton of owners and stations Carr would've been long gone. He is a product of the times - sour milk that was left out in the sun too long.

Thank God we have an internet where you can find some great material because radio as we knew it is gone; it's now just one big boring INFOMERCIAL. The shills that mouth off for the Corporate schmucks you wouldn't want to meet on the street let alone go to a party with.

It's the difference between listening to the music of the Beatles or getting bad rappers infiltrating the airwaves.

Tom Finneran is the rap music of talk radio. Howie Carr is not far behind him.

If Massachusetts and Boston were doing wonderfully rather than in the toilet and a laughingstock for the rest of the country, Howie Carr would have no show and no audience. I mean, look at the material he has to work with: A governor who is a laughingstock and as inept as the day he was born; the Boston School System who has to go and get an 'expert at fixing broken school systems' to be their next superintendent...and this after their first choice bailed out; a Boston murder rate that is rivaling Detroit's; a Mayor who can't speak; and two disgraced ex-presidential candidates in Dukakis and Kerry; population that is fleeing and will probably (likely) result in a lost electoral vote and/or congressional seats; and a picture of Massachusetts next to the word 'HACK' in the encyclopedia.

Yeah, the best way to fight Howie Carr is not to have a state and a city that everyone laughs at with every justifiable reason. Massachusetts and Boston just writes his material every day!
 
Pretty good responses, and many seem in agreement except for chrish:


Posts: 47 Re: Who are the worst talk radio hosts in Boston?
« Reply #14 on: Today at 02:11:08
To all the radio wannabes who put down Howie Carr, Michael Graham and Jay Severin, they have the jobs and you don't. If you think you are so much smarter and can do a be

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Note to Chrish:

Just because they are hired by some faceless Corporation doesn't mean they have talent.
As dry as NPR is their information is more appealing to me as well as their presentation.

The fact that Graham, Carr and Severino in particular like to lash out and comment on things they sometimes know nothing about (Howie Carr and music, for example) should not make them immune to criticism.
Indeed, healthy criticism should make a professional better. That those three hardly - if ever - learn from their mistakes speaks volumes about their lack of professionalism.

Writing - not radio - is what I do. The fact that you are reading and responding to my writing means that I am effective, whether you like what I have to say or not. The fact that many of us tune Carr, Graham and
Severin out the majority of the time for better alternatives when available - NPR, The Boston Red Sox,
Eagen & Braude, says to me that there is plenty of room for improvement.

Ed Schultz would be far more welcome than Rush Limbaugh. The big problem, Chrish, is that propaganda is more important to these corporations than compelling, mature, inspiring radio.

Anyone who finds Howie Carr's "death pool" professional or inspiring is exactly the kind of listener RKO wants.

Note to ChrisNH - Kerry is hardly a "disgraced" ex-presidential candidate. He actually won the electoral college and garnered more votes than any Democrat in history, if memory serves. Kerry is going to win the next election hands down and you know it. If you bought into the "swift boaters" let me remind you, that isn't
disgrace, that's defamation of character. Kerry went into Battle, Bush and Cheney did not.

if anyone is disgraced it is Dick Cheney with his lap dog George W. Bush. The only reason they aren't going to be impeached is because it is better to let them twist in the wind.
 
1. Michael Savage

2. Tie Jay Sevrin/ Michael Graham

3. Tom Finneran

4. Todd Fienberg

5. Lovell Dyatt
 
>>Anyone who finds Howie Carr's "death pool" professional or inspiring is exactly the kind of listener RKO wants.

Actually we find it entertaining...
 
Those that can...do.

Those that can't/never have...criticize.

Kudos to those who've been smart enough to ignore the multiple tangential bait of corporate blah blah, and stolen votes blah blah.

The fact remains that Howie (and remember, when it comes to character, I personally root for Whitey's guys) is the talk show in that city. Much in the way Andleman is the godfather of Sports Talk.

His long tenure is a testament to his effectiveness. It doesn't matter who's in office, who got snagged in some political backroom deal, or which govt. hack got caught, Howie has always been there to provide a forum for New Englanders to voice their omnipresent opinion. He has successfully assumed the role that Jerry Williams once held, and replaced Brudnoy as a Boston insitution when it comes to talk radio.

That alone is something most of his critics are envious of.

Many of you who slam him...myself included, would gladly sit in those studios every day and do that gig.

Talk radio in Boston might be the easiest in America....because New Englanders love nothing more than to argue.

This forum proves that every day.

Critique them all...it proves they have made listeners of every one of you, and that's their job.

Mission accomplished!
 
>>Critique them all...it proves they have made listeners of every one of you, and that's their job.

"I just want to tell you I think you're disgusting, an idiot, and you shouldn't even be on the air, you
moron."

"Ah. Tell me, caller, how often do you listen to my show?"

"Every day. I wouldn't miss it for the world." :)

Love him or hate him, Howie knows how to entertain and he gets listeners. If listeners and advertisers
turned away, he'd be soon gone. Some may say his act is getting tired, but if it is, I guess most people
are NOT tired of it. That's why he's batting cleanup in the WRKO lineup. "Big Papi strikes again!" If
people didn't listen, Wolfie would call Howie into his office and say, "Well, Howie, the ratings just aren't
there. We're giving someone else a try in your slot. Finneran--yeah, we figure he might click in
afternoon drive...You can do 10-noon for now"...And Howie is also boring listeners to tears on WCRN,
WVMT, WXTK, WHYN, WGAN, WNTK... :)
 
Getting back to the topic...."who are the worst talk show hosts in Boston"....I often wonder if the problem is the HOST or the TOPIC the host is trying to discuss? ???

Face it....politics (national, statewide or local) can become very boring after awhile. The gas prices and taxes are screamed about, but very little is done to correct the problem. When a talk show host beats the same issues to the ground that his (or her) predecessor discussed two hours earlier---most listeners get bored! So they either change the station or pop in a music CD!

It's also clear that there are some GREAT TALK SHOW PRETENDERS out there who will say things to stir up a little trouble! Whether their words are based on fact or not is secondary....just get somebody angry with a remark and the radio station might get a phone call?

Is this entertainment or information? NOPE!

Is the practice frustrating enough to turn the radio off? YOU BET! :(

argytunes
 
Which is why Howie gets onto non-political stuff once in awhile. You can tell when listeners are getting
bored or frustrated; he starts getting people saying, "PLEASE, enough with the immigration talk..." etc
(maybe he'll read an email from somebody: "OK, we'll get on to something else in the next segment...")
Pop culture stuff...can round out a good show. News stuff that isn't necessarily politics. Movies, TV,
celebs, trends, irritating people, nostalgia, music, performer interviews--the show does not have to be
all politics and if it were it would lose listeners.
 
Some posts in this topic have been moved to Take It Outside.

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1) Tom Finnerian - I won't waste my time on this no talent hack- a 4 hour show and 3 of them are filled with ahh's and umm's. Nothing can save this failed experiment. Its like a horse that needs to be put down.

2) Margery Eagan - Any substance and credibility she had as a journalist ( and thats very little) have been earased by her radio time. She has almost no opinion on anything and when Braude argies with her, her response is a giggle 80% or the time. The fact that her dry mouth is prevelant when she speaks doesn't help

3) Michael Savage - The Jim Jones of talk radio.

4) Dale Arnold & Michael Holly - Need I say more? can WEEI become more self effacing?
 
Big Bish is on target - the umms and the aahs on Finneran's show help make the program unlistenable.

I said it in an earlier post - there's some great radio being broadcast out there and we with internet access can hear it. The fact that we can compare how intelligent some talk show hosts are with what we are stuck with in Boston means that there's a measuring stick. This isn't just some vendetta "we" listeners are on - it's more a symptom of how upset people who love radio are that there's terrible programming forced upon this region.

Look at how fairly we have all distributed the blame: CBS, Greater Media, Entercom, they are all guilty in this market of failing to understand what the listeners want and how to deliver quality broadcasting to a blue state.

Neanderpaul sayeth: "Those that can...do.

Those that can't/never have...criticize."

Neanderpaul totally misses the point; radio hosts "criticize" and often don't know what they are talking about, or even worse, do it for effect when they don't really mean it (do you think Howie is that hateful to gays when he gives Jay from Chelsea a ride home). So the anti-gay shtick is just that, a shtick, and deserves to be critiqued. Neanderpaul also doesn't mention how some of us get paid to critique - so, those that can, do.

Bashing the critics is just part of being a radio personality - it irks them that people actually get paid for what they write - especially when they write about...radio. I'm happy Kansas likes Paul Marshall's style because he just didn't fit into this region, not on his year and a half on WAAF, not on his little time on WBCN, it was a bad equation. It's a big world and it's good there's a region that embraces him. At least WAAF and WBCN realized that quickly and Paul found his niche outside of this market. He had an opportunity and should be thankful for that. How are Carrie's ratings compared to Paul's?

THE BAD MOVES OF CORPORATE:
the ratings reflect that we refuse to listen to most of this junk after we actually give it a chance. It's like Towerbuzz saying just because you've listened for ten minutes that the
jock "won" because he got you to tune in. Ridiculous.

Just as I demand Republicans watch Farrenheit 9/11 if they want to discuss it with me, one has to listen to bad radio in order to discuss it intelligently. If Neanderpaul hasn't heard Finneran that proves my point - you have to experience how bad a talk show host he is to realize the magnitude of Entercom's mistake.

of course I'm not getting paid by Entercom so there's no need for me to slip into anti-Entercom posts and
attempt to smack down the critics. Neanderpaul is a Music Director and gets paid from the company so he might - even on a subconscious level - want to "defend the faith".

That still doesn't save Greater Media's Michael Graham who has nothing of value to say and no way to articulate it.
 
>>the umms and the aahs on Finneran's show help make the program unlistenable.

well, this week they added Feinburg to help out (for now). Next step: subtract Finneran.

(Joe Sciacca among those filling in for Todd at this time)

btw for Sox fans who use Firefox: go to their main page and download then select the new Red Sox
theme (once you've loaded, click Tools/Add-ons/Themes/Sports etc)
 
Varulven said:
Neanderpaul totally misses the point; radio hosts "criticize" and often don't know what they are talking about, or even worse, do it for effect when they don't really mean it (do you think Howie is that hateful to gays when he gives Jay from Chelsea a ride home). So the anti-gay shtick is just that, a shtick, and deserves to be critiqued. Neanderpaul also doesn't mention how some of us get paid to critique - so, those that can, do.

When a critic has never done the job they're allegedly paid to critique, they have no frame of reference. They can not possibly know what goes in to making a talk show happen. They're merely opining with no knowledge of the mechanics, and objectives of the medium.

It suffices to say that never having done the gig, one can't possibly critique with any credibility. It's an uneducated opinion. No more or less valid than the guy on the barstool at the Ramrod.

This is allegedly a critique of talk radio. Please try to stick to the actual subject. Refrain from posting your resume', and try not to take offense that those of us actually in the industry, feel like we know more about it than those that have never done the jobs we've held for decades. It's due to your many tangents that these topics are moved to "take it outside" where they die an empty and incomplete death.

I respectfully request that you stay within the actual topic. Thanks.
 
IMHO, Jimmy Severino is the biggest hack in Boston radio.

I can see why he failed miserably in syndication and came back with his tail between his legs.

Scotto (now unemployed) was a close second, followed closely by Finneran. These two would not even play in Boise.

In fact, if you added Scotto, Tom, and Jay Severin together, they would not be 1/4 of Jerry Williams.

Not even Gene Burns or David Brudnoy. Now those were heady times in Boston talk radio!!!

We need some new voices, like maybe Arnie Arnesen or someone.

-Jimmy
 
Actually, Neanderpaul, that's my criticism of Dan Shaughnessy - if you haven't played with the Red Sox how can you critique them so often (and so incorrectly). Also, if you work for the company that owns The Red Sox - that being the New York Times, the criticism is certainly suspect.

Especially the bashing of Manny and Schilling when there's talk of their contracts.

Now, since you brought it up, and since I have produced at a 50,000 watt station, programmed two small AM stations, and have spoken on the BBC and VH-1, reaching slightly larger audiences than many of the people I've critiqued, you can attempt to point the "Dan Shaughnessy" syndrome at someone who has the credentials and has the voice in-print, but it chips away at your credibility.

As a listener, I don't need the credentials to know the difference between towing the company line (Howie Carr, Dan Shaughnessy, Rush Limbaugh, D & C, etc. etc.) and playing from the heart (the original Howard Stern, Charles Laquidara, etc.); having credentials gives great weight to my opinion, no matter how much some people would like to swift boat it.

I credit you for putting your real name here, as I do (or a handle that is part of our respective names/gigs).
I respectfully disagree with your opinion and note that you work for Entercom, thus, you - like Dan Shaughnessy - have a bit of a conflict when attempting to mitigate the criticism. That also chips away at your credibility in this discussion. I started the topic and this is staying on-topic as you brought these elements into the chat.

That so many people are in agreement with me seems to indicate that Boston radio needs a healthy shuffle.
 
Varulven said:
Actually, Neanderpaul, that's my criticism of Dan Shaughnessy - if you haven't played with the Red Sox how can you critique them so often (and so incorrectly). Also, if you work for the company that owns The Red Sox - that being the New York Times, the criticism is certainly suspect.

I agree. I think some sports radio hosts use their pulpit as an opportunity to vent their frustration at never having made it. Which I'm sure there're quite few examples of that'd be legit. Perhaps this is why sports radio tends to hire ex-athletes. As a way to legitimize their format. Not that it needs it...but just as I'm saying, there are those who'll always parrot "who are you to rip on Roger Clemens? You've never thrown a pitch in your life." I don't know for sure. But, I'm willing to cop to that. The fact that I don't know what their line of thinking was when they put the show together. That's what critics miss most of the time. They take potshots at hosts,and programs with no real knowledge of what the goals of the show are.

If you don't know. You don't know. And therefore any critique needs to be viewed as suspect. Until you've a full understanding of what the methodology is, you cannot effectively, or accurately assess. It's so simple. And yet it's overthought every day in columns in free newspapers every week. There are a multitude of hacks, who'll tear in to a talk show host, or program, with no knowledge.

And guess what? This behavior is no different than that of those they're critiquing. You cannot rip <insert host here> for not knowing the issues, when in fact, you don't know what angle that host has chosen to exploit.

Talk radio's ONLY purpose; to get the phones ringing. Whatever that takes. So, of course you're going to be irritated by the host. As long as you're listening, they couldn't care less that you're angry. Just that you remember who it was that ticked you off.


Varulven said:
As a listener, I don't need the credentials to know the difference between towing the company line (Howie Carr, Dan Shaughnessy, Rush Limbaugh, D & C, etc. etc.) and playing from the heart (the original Howard Stern, Charles Laquidara, etc.); having credentials gives great weight to my opinion, no matter how much some people would like to swift boat it.

Maybe not as a listener. But, as an alleged professional, you should have some working knowledge of what's being done. You've been completely taken. Because Charles, and Howard never did anything that wasn't prescribed and planned. Howard works very hard creating the illusion of rebellion. The man is a clever, calculated, professional, actor. Which is what radio is...an act. Not reality. It's show business. Just as Arnold never shot anyone in Terminator, Howard never did 99.999% of what he's claimed.

The fact that you buy the schtick, speaks only to the proficiency of the performance.

Varulven said:
I credit you for putting your real name here, as I do (or a handle that is part of our respective names/gigs).
I respectfully disagree with your opinion and note that you work for Entercom, thus, you - like Dan Shaughnessy - have a bit of a conflict when attempting to mitigate the criticism. That also chips away at your credibility in this discussion. I started the topic and this is staying on-topic as you brought these elements into the chat.

My place of employment has no bearing upon my opinion. Contrary to your assertion, my employer doesn't mandate our speech. It's certainly not my place to speak upon their business practices. I am an employee. I am hired to do a job. Everything outside of my individual job responsibilities is none of my affair. I do not care what others do. It's not for me to worry about. These are two different issues. You'd like to connect them. But, there's no conspiracy. Not every issue is attributable to corporate politics.

Varulven said:
That so many people are in agreement with me seems to indicate that Boston radio needs a healthy shuffle.

Maybe. But that's not your decision to make. Apparently the owners of the multiple properties programming talk radio in Boston, believe they know their product better than you do. They're privvy to the plan, and know the strategy. You do not. And, not having ever done it, you have no frame of reference to even hypothesize.

All you can do, much like the aforementioned sports guys who've never played the game, is express an opinion. The validity, and credibility, (as always) is subject to the reader's discretion.

I may not like Howie's show. But, he's great at his gig. Were he not, he'd have been gone long ago.
 
Howie's gig is only there because there is no competition in this market. He indeed has a great gig,
he has become stale. The marketplace that exists allows for stale talk show hosts to remain.
Clearly, when someone gets fired from these plum gigs it speaks volumes about their inability to tow the company line. John Depetro an excellent case in point. Jeff Katz as well.

Howard Stern and Charles Laquidara played to their own tune initially. Go back to my post and see the reference to time that I put in it. If you study Charles' career you'd have a better understanding. He left WBCN to become an actor, they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. It was only when Oedipus took over to start working on getting the pay scale down that Charles had to watch his p's and q's. My business associate, the late Gene Sylvester, was working as a producer for Charles so I have more knowledge than most in regards to that. Gene noted how Oedipus said "Ken Shelton is irrelevant" as he tweaked the jocks to make them nervous about their contract negotiations. That's not taking care of talent and it doesn't foster good radio. You get robots like Todd Feinberg and Michael Graham instead of talents.

Again, Paul, I respectfully say that your working for Entercom does have to factor in, just like Dan Shaughnessy should always say "The Globe is owned by The NY Times which co-owns The Red Sox".

Anyone putting their name here without working for the major stations has a ton of credibility - because they - as the listener - get to complain that the product is not worthy of airtime.

Remember, many of us have tuned Finneran and Graham out. We listen enough to critique but why waste time on bad radio? The verdict is in on those two and Fineberg, however ya spell his name.

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