Does anyone know if Pirkle is hiring a news staff for 100.3? Wonder who they'll get to cover news/traffic/weather, etc. Also, I'm guessing the top of the hour news will be from Fox News Radio (no brainer). Citadel forcing WNOX to drop Fox News and go back to Citadel owned ABC News last year was dumb. (but they had no say in the matter as it was a corporate decree). Anyway, just wondering if the new 100.3 is going to have dedicated news anchors or any reporters?
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BillBattle said:
What Coach Battle said.
So you've got advertisers calling in threatening to pull their business, then reluctantly settling for half the 100k rate. Meanwhile you're paying for good on air talent which, if you're lucky, doesn't now cost you more than you bring in. And even if your lucky and showing a profit, how long before a bean counter that's never been more than a hundred miles away from the ocean decides they want a more respectable margin? Now that Ed's gone, there's no one in the building willing to jump in front of that bullet.
Still hoping that someone comes along and buys out those Knoxville properties and keeps them all from being programmed from hundreds of miles away. It's unlikely until they reach 'bargain buy' status. With the big station that will take awhile. Last time we saw a change this fundamental was in the late 70's when Margie Ison went from hugely dominant channel 6 to 'also ran' channel 10.
Reference...Last time we saw a change this fundamental was in the late 70's when Margie Ison went from hugely dominant channel 6 to 'also ran' channel 10.
Good analogy Mr. T. Cowboy. It takes the big guy too really screw up to sometimes change things and that does not happen very often in broadcasting. Like you said the last time something like this happened in Knoxville was 40 years ago. WATE has been looking up WBIR skirts for more than 3 decades.
Good analogy Mr. T. Cowboy. It takes the big guy too really screw up to sometimes change things and that does not happen very often in broadcasting. Like you said the last time something like this happened in Knoxville was 40 years ago. WATE has been looking up WBIR skirts for more than 3 decades.
BillBattle said:
This is a good point. Remember when True Oldies Channel came on 98.7? This was when Citadel had a big nationwide push to put the format on in as many of their markets as possible including Atlanta and Washington, DC which debuted around this time. I always felt that putting it on 98.7 was more of a corporate decision than a local one. Remember, Citadel distribues the format. I'll bet the "bean counters" that BillBattle speaks of would like to see Knoxville added back on the affiliate list. Every affiliate of the True Oldies Channel helps put national advertising dollars in Citadel's pocket. Should NewsTalk 98.7 become unprofitable, I can't see corporate Citadel wanting to keep it around, especially since the TOC costs them nothing to run.
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BRice16...
I gather from some of your previous posts that you have a dog in this fight and you must, out of necessity, root for the guys your employer supports. Fair enough. And congratulations for not hiding behind the skirts of anonymity. You are a better man than I.
Citadel is composed of two sections in regards to how it affects you. One section is the group you deal with: A dedicated team of super stars on Old Kingston Pike. The other section is the den of out-of-town thieves with the gun to the heads of its dedicated Knoxville team.
While there is a certain comfort in the hope that Citadel may continue to support Knoxville, the truth is that the huge majority of that went out the door with Ed Brantley. There may still be people there who believe they can get things done on your behalf. You will know for sure next time you have a situation that can't be solved in Knoxville.
FWIW from a know-it-all smart ass on a board full of know it all's and smart asses, the best solution for Knoxville, Tennessee would be in seeing that property with new owners. You may not see much difference in your dealings with them this fall. But I'll buy you dinner if you don't have problems this time next year under the present situation.
You will start to see differences at the point where air and sales talent start to leave. A lot of the radio reps are under contract these days same as the key air guys. Because of this, 100.3 started to raid reps from other media. A Citadel air or sales escapee can likely move to another medium and not have to worry about the no-compete.
Citadel Knoxville has lost serious momentum this year. And it's momentum they are not equipped to get back. Bobby Denton was a visionary and Jim Dick was visionary enough to let Bobby do what he needed to do. It made him hundreds of millions of dollars and national prominence for what he did in this market. Ed Brantley had the backbone to protect a successful formula until a bean counter pissed all over it. Citadel does not have the vision, management, cash flow or testicles to get that back.
And, yes, your contacts in Knoxville will continue to take care of you and your employer because they know what it means. When a Vegas accountant determines the revenue of UT sports does not merit the expense, you will find a couple of radio groups lining up to give you the appreciation you should expect.
WIVK used to maintain an easy 30 share. Now it will consider itself fortunate to see 20 again. If the any of the daytime talent decides on greener pastures it'll lose even more ground. Those guys can't avoid seeing the difficulty the rest of the station is experiencing. It's their co-workers, and there's a lot of talent there that could move to a larger market for substantially more money and less heartache.
Do I want to see their Knoxville properties fail? No way. Do I want to see an ownership change? Definitely. Do I think their present course will be beneficial to their employees, partners, and listeners? Nope. Not at all.
I do, however, share your hope for better days on Old Kingston Pike.
I gather from some of your previous posts that you have a dog in this fight and you must, out of necessity, root for the guys your employer supports. Fair enough. And congratulations for not hiding behind the skirts of anonymity. You are a better man than I.
Citadel is composed of two sections in regards to how it affects you. One section is the group you deal with: A dedicated team of super stars on Old Kingston Pike. The other section is the den of out-of-town thieves with the gun to the heads of its dedicated Knoxville team.
While there is a certain comfort in the hope that Citadel may continue to support Knoxville, the truth is that the huge majority of that went out the door with Ed Brantley. There may still be people there who believe they can get things done on your behalf. You will know for sure next time you have a situation that can't be solved in Knoxville.
FWIW from a know-it-all smart ass on a board full of know it all's and smart asses, the best solution for Knoxville, Tennessee would be in seeing that property with new owners. You may not see much difference in your dealings with them this fall. But I'll buy you dinner if you don't have problems this time next year under the present situation.
You will start to see differences at the point where air and sales talent start to leave. A lot of the radio reps are under contract these days same as the key air guys. Because of this, 100.3 started to raid reps from other media. A Citadel air or sales escapee can likely move to another medium and not have to worry about the no-compete.
Citadel Knoxville has lost serious momentum this year. And it's momentum they are not equipped to get back. Bobby Denton was a visionary and Jim Dick was visionary enough to let Bobby do what he needed to do. It made him hundreds of millions of dollars and national prominence for what he did in this market. Ed Brantley had the backbone to protect a successful formula until a bean counter pissed all over it. Citadel does not have the vision, management, cash flow or testicles to get that back.
And, yes, your contacts in Knoxville will continue to take care of you and your employer because they know what it means. When a Vegas accountant determines the revenue of UT sports does not merit the expense, you will find a couple of radio groups lining up to give you the appreciation you should expect.
WIVK used to maintain an easy 30 share. Now it will consider itself fortunate to see 20 again. If the any of the daytime talent decides on greener pastures it'll lose even more ground. Those guys can't avoid seeing the difficulty the rest of the station is experiencing. It's their co-workers, and there's a lot of talent there that could move to a larger market for substantially more money and less heartache.
Do I want to see their Knoxville properties fail? No way. Do I want to see an ownership change? Definitely. Do I think their present course will be beneficial to their employees, partners, and listeners? Nope. Not at all.
I do, however, share your hope for better days on Old Kingston Pike.
every radio news person "
You could hold that meeting in the broom closet at the Krystal.
You could hold that meeting in the broom closet at the Krystal.
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BRH said:Hey, I'm actually enjoying some of the current stunt programming on 100.3. Did anybody else catch the classic Cas Walker bits. They had commercials from him and an old interview with him saying "if anyone tried to rob anyone at one of his stores, he'd have security beat the h*ell out of the b*stards". And also, telling them to "come on down and try it and he'd beat the h*ll out of them himself".I was rolling laughing. Also, they aired a really cool news story from WTVK "NewCenter 26" on the 1982 Worlds Fair. Heck, this stunt is a lot more interesting than the usual right wing, blowhards that normally occupy the frequency.
Great stuff, all of it! Did you catch the short clip of John Records Landecker? ("Boogie Check, Boogie Check, ooh, aah!") This was taken from a long lost 1977 video interview which has recently surfaced and made it's way to You Tube.
Obviously I wasn't around here in the Cas Walker days, but seemed that every market had a character like him (in Ohio it was a guy named Cash Amburgey). So it was an interesting little trip into Knoxville advertising history.
When the new WNOX crew first announced the double-run of Michael Savage, I thought they were keeping the chair warm for Rush. I still think that as Dave Ramsey's one-page contract is easy enough to get out of (or since it feeds 24/7, it can be plugged in for weekend fill). They managed to get Coast to Coast immediately from Premiere, I'm not sure what the deal is with Rush..and for that matter, didn't Premiere sign on to be at 100,000 watts on 100.3, not 8000 watts on 98.7? I'm also curious if Citadel intended to drop Boortz anyway or if Jones quickly signed to stay on the powerful signal once they were approached by Team Pirkle. Getting Rush back on 100.3 would probably be the deathknell for 98.7..unless it just stays a second-tier talker, which it could and still save music licensing fees.
What happens with tiny WETR now that a lot of its schedule is gone? Maybe "all Salem, all the time".
When the new WNOX crew first announced the double-run of Michael Savage, I thought they were keeping the chair warm for Rush. I still think that as Dave Ramsey's one-page contract is easy enough to get out of (or since it feeds 24/7, it can be plugged in for weekend fill). They managed to get Coast to Coast immediately from Premiere, I'm not sure what the deal is with Rush..and for that matter, didn't Premiere sign on to be at 100,000 watts on 100.3, not 8000 watts on 98.7? I'm also curious if Citadel intended to drop Boortz anyway or if Jones quickly signed to stay on the powerful signal once they were approached by Team Pirkle. Getting Rush back on 100.3 would probably be the deathknell for 98.7..unless it just stays a second-tier talker, which it could and still save music licensing fees.
What happens with tiny WETR now that a lot of its schedule is gone? Maybe "all Salem, all the time".
Tennessee Cowboy said:
You're talking about a day long gone, when people who worked in radio enjoyed working in radio and had microwaves (before they were in ovens) coursing through their veins. No modern corporate radio entity is going to bring that back nor do they want to bring it back. Make no mistake, if Citadel wanted it back, they could come up with whatever it takes to get it back. But face it, what is market #71 in the big scheme of things? Corporations are only interested in one thing for all of their properties: ROI.
Are you sure that Citadel still owns it? Is it possible that maybe the "good folks"
that were brought in to run WGN in Chicago, did a hostile takeover when
nobody was looking? ;D
that were brought in to run WGN in Chicago, did a hostile takeover when
nobody was looking? ;D
Tennessee Cowboy said:
Well, I'm self-employed, so there's not really anybody my employer "supports." I don't advertise, my business comes from a very specialized field, and I've got plenty of it.
I didn't listen to 100.3 before this switch, and I won't listen to it after. So it really affects me in no way. I'm a music guy, anything but country, but also enjoy the sports talk and programming that 99.1 provides.
My whole point in my posts is that this isn't just a signal issue. This is a programming issue. If people want to listen to programming, they'll follow it where it goes. I did and still do take issue with the suggestion that listeners will abandon the programming they follow because alternate programming is on a better signal. This isn't Top40.
It'll be interesting to see which of the TV stations ends up hooked up with WNOX. 10 and 6 are or were both looking to get out of their deals with their clusters.
This board once had civilized discussion on the things that were going on in Knoxville radio between people that identified themselves by name. Now, all that is present here are constant attacks on people in the market and hopes that parent companies will be forced to sell from people that hide behind names so they feel freer to dish those attacks on others.
BRH said:
When did they make this change?? I just noticed on WNOX's Facebook page they have Laura Ingraham in that slot now. I'm not really a Colmes fan, but I was looking forward to hearing something different than the one-sided viewpoint all the time. It would actually be nice to get some non-political non-sports talk in this town. I have a feeling the stunting on WNOX will have been the only interesting programming on the frequency for a long time.
Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.
I have a couple of questions. How far “out” does Arbitron go in the Knoxville Market? The power difference might not be as big of a factor. And more importantly how much revenue “follows” the ratings? Citadel might have thought 100.3 would go music, but it looks like the Country revenue is “safe”.
second..in the beginning as the earth cooled and them damn BIG lizards died.. we had the tri
county Pulse (I so loved that thing) and it gave even the smallest of piss pot stations a shot. Today ARB is much bigger and if you don't have the power to reach the counties you are going to have a bit of a problem. BIGGER problem is if you don't have coverage and power you just won t get into the offices or homes. WEZK now B whatever always did well with their in office thing...not sure if NEWS TALK did or not but on 100 they had a heck of a shot.
county Pulse (I so loved that thing) and it gave even the smallest of piss pot stations a shot. Today ARB is much bigger and if you don't have the power to reach the counties you are going to have a bit of a problem. BIGGER problem is if you don't have coverage and power you just won t get into the offices or homes. WEZK now B whatever always did well with their in office thing...not sure if NEWS TALK did or not but on 100 they had a heck of a shot.
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Tennessee Cowboy
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jetfli said:
Extremely true.
There's one stick in town now with all decisions being made in house. The on-air guy is also a sales rep, general manager, assistant bottle washer and probably ops and PD. I'm wondering what type of personality the station will have after everything settles in.
What about 99.1? In my opinion, they have gone down hill. Dearstone is the Manager of that particular station, and he and his show is terrible. Jim Rome was popular in Knoxville, but he was replaced with a couple of local clowns(West and Ward). And who actually listens to the Tennessee Smokies? Seriously, who listens to them? I mean, I don't want the NFL draft coverage or an interesting interview to be interrupted by minor league baseball.
Also, the station would do much better if they had a morning sports show. Hallerin will not lose a lot of listeners, but if Mickey's show had any competition, well, that could be a different story.
Also, the station would do much better if they had a morning sports show. Hallerin will not lose a lot of listeners, but if Mickey's show had any competition, well, that could be a different story.
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