Who Will Flip First, Pulse 87 or 101.9 RXP?

[neo11]

CBS-FM got jacked in the summer...It takes a lot more to get people to come out in the cold to protest. And also, New York City is very densely populated, there are probably a million people within a few miles of where their rally was.

On June 21, 2005, the day of the CBS-FM rally, the temperature was 95 degrees, and there were only 150 people in attendance (I should know - I was one of them!!) but we didn't give up, and two years and three weeks after that day...

Andrea

'CBS-FM has its own conundrum to confront, namely that its listeners are just as old today as they were before the station was "Jacked". As for 'RXP, I don't think a station that segues a song by the Strokes with a song by Elton John is meant to last very long in this universe.

Actually, even more to the point, they are 3-4 years older...even worse (no offense meant to anyone!). Hence the increased presence of 80s music on the station, despite the many people that can't seem to accept that. And as for RXP....it's a miracle they've even lasted this long!

And yet, as we're seeing over on the dentist board, the same old "new rock doesn't work" argument is being pulled out to account for RXP's failure, when the clear majority of its music is not even remotely new.

 

[d21ofnj]

whats interesting is earlier around 5:20am pulse had their broadcast knocked out...for a second, I thought if it was my online stream or it was the end of pulse 87. Good thing they got back on the air 10 minutes later

 

[DToTheJ]

As for 'RXP, I don't think a station that segues a song by the Strokes with a song by Elton John is meant to last very long in this universe.

This morning, they played an Elton John song - "Levon" - following... Snow Patrol's "Chasing Cars"! Is this "the rock experience" or an AC station?

 

[myke25]

whats interesting is earlier around 5:20am pulse had their broadcast knocked out...for a second, I thought if it was my online stream or it was the end of pulse 87. Good thing they got back on the air 10 minutes later

i noticed they were off the air yesterday when I put them on at 2:45... they were still off when I turned it off around 3.

i wonder what the hell's going on w/ them now....

 

[Mixmaster Tony Rocca]

whats interesting is earlier around 5:20am pulse had their broadcast knocked out...for a second, I thought if it was my online stream or it was the end of pulse 87. Good thing they got back on the air 10 minutes later

i noticed they were off the air yesterday when I put them on at 2:45... they were still off when I turned it off around 3.

i wonder what the hell's going on w/ them now....

Maybe it's called the beginning of the end...?

 

[SuperRadioFan]

This morning, they played an Elton John song - "Levon" - following... Snow Patrol's "Chasing Cars"! Is this "the rock experience" or an AC station?

Big deal. That happens on KSWD 100.3 The Sound (in L.A.) all the time

Maybe also happens on The Peak, I know I've heard Levon played on them a few times within the last few days. The earlier poster didn't mention which Elton John track that 'RXP played, that's relevant IMO.

 

[neo11]

As for 'RXP, I don't think a station that segues a song by the Strokes with a song by Elton John is meant to last very long in this universe.

This morning, they played an Elton John song - "Levon" - following... Snow Patrol's "Chasing Cars"! Is this "the rock experience" or an AC station?

The other day they actually played a song from Heart! That's the "Rock Experience" and "new rock music" for ya! ;D

 

[DanceDiva3]

I actually heard a "HEART" Remix on Pulse. It's funny you said that. "That's new music for Ya too" - LOL !! Those old cheesy remakes with a beat should NOT be considered new music. There is soo much new material rock or dance. Stations should stick to one thing, not be all over the place. I like hearing the new stuff on both stations.

 

[2ez]

While dance certainly isn't a ratings success story at the moment, it would certainly garner more than the 1 share at RXP. If Emmis were smart, they'd pick up Pulse's intellectual property and put the format on a full signal. No doubt that could get them into the mid 2's, and if dance recycles back to popularity in the near term they'd be poised to do very wel with it. Aside from that, there doesn't seem to be any other formatic holes where they could be assured of owning a position. They COULD try all-news on FM, but they'd be going up against a formidle competitor in CBS. It would take deep pockets and a multi-year commitment. Aside from that I don't see any other hole but country, which would do about as well as dance.

Place Bets NOW!!!

 

[lalumia]

Country would do about as well as dance? lol
Country artists dominate tv variety shows, cross over artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood get Top 40 cross over airplay, country CDS go multi platinum nationally...
NONE of the above is true of whatever you regard as 'dance' ,which has a snowball's chance in hell of re cycling into popularity;
even on itune's overall charts of popular downloads, dance isn't even a 'bridesmaid',more like an old maid

 

[TonySantiago]

Country would do about as well as dance? lol
Country artists dominate tv variety shows, cross over artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood get Top 40 cross over airplay, country CDS go multi platinum nationally...
NONE of the above is true of whatever you regard as 'dance' ,which has a snowball's chance in hell of re cycling into popularity;
even on itune's overall charts of popular downloads, dance isn't even a 'bridesmaid',more like an old maid

Not if I can help it! You know me Jimi!

I'm actually going to attend my first Winter Music Conference just to get an idea of what's going on.

 

[neo11]

Country would do about as well as dance? lol
Country artists dominate tv variety shows, cross over artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood get Top 40 cross over airplay, country CDS go multi platinum nationally...
NONE of the above is true of whatever you regard as 'dance' ,which has a snowball's chance in hell of re cycling into popularity;
even on itune's overall charts of popular downloads, dance isn't even a 'bridesmaid',more like an old maid

Yes, but that's nationally. How has country done locally, in all of its recent attempts?

Hint:
The answer is the opposite of "good"

 

[2ez]

Country would do about as well as dance? lol
Country artists dominate tv variety shows, cross over artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood get Top 40 cross over airplay, country CDS go multi platinum nationally...
NONE of the above is true of whatever you regard as 'dance' ,which has a snowball's chance in hell of re cycling into popularity;
even on itune's overall charts of popular downloads, dance isn't even a 'bridesmaid',more like an old maid

Not a fan of one over the other. Media buyers are predjudiced where this market is ccncerned, which is why the country format has always been short-lived here. It might do slightly better from an Arbitron point of view, but revenue for this format has always been weak in NYC. Dance, on the other hand would absolutely do better than the AAA format currently on 101.9, and history says it will recycle to popularity at some point. In a market with no formatic holes and a facilty with a .9, either one would be an improvement.

 

[lalumia]

unlike the club based movements that gave birth to DISCO92 KTU and in the 80s Hot103,there is nothing happening in sales, in the clubs or on the 'street' to indicate a grass roots support for a 'new dance' station;
theorize all you want, no one's gonna fall for it...

 

[d21ofnj]

Country would do about as well as dance? lol
Country artists dominate tv variety shows, cross over artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood get Top 40 cross over airplay, country CDS go multi platinum nationally...
NONE of the above is true of whatever you regard as 'dance' ,which has a snowball's chance in hell of re cycling into popularity;
even on itune's overall charts of popular downloads, dance isn't even a 'bridesmaid',more like an old maid

So explain to me why Y-107 is off the air.

 

[neo11]

Country would do about as well as dance? lol
Country artists dominate tv variety shows, cross over artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood get Top 40 cross over airplay, country CDS go multi platinum nationally...
NONE of the above is true of whatever you regard as 'dance' ,which has a snowball's chance in hell of re cycling into popularity;
even on itune's overall charts of popular downloads, dance isn't even a 'bridesmaid',more like an old maid

Not a fan of one over the other. Media buyers are predjudiced where this market is ccncerned, which is why the country format has always been short-lived here. It might do slightly better from an Arbitron point of view, but revenue for this format has always been weak in NYC. Dance, on the other hand would absolutely do better than the AAA format currently on 101.9, and history says it will recycle to popularity at some point. In a market with no formatic holes and a facilty with a .9, either one would be an improvement.

The format on 101.9 has absolutely nothing to do with Triple A. However, it seems to be classified as such for lack of another, more accurate term.

 

[neo11]

Country would do about as well as dance? lol
Country artists dominate tv variety shows, cross over artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood get Top 40 cross over airplay, country CDS go multi platinum nationally...
NONE of the above is true of whatever you regard as 'dance' ,which has a snowball's chance in hell of re cycling into popularity;
even on itune's overall charts of popular downloads, dance isn't even a 'bridesmaid',more like an old maid

So explain to me why Y-107 is off the air.

And Y-107, and WYNY, and Country 94.3, and the other attempts at country that have all failed in both NYC and the suburbs. But every time this discussion comes up, the country backers can't really offer any explanation other than "it'll do better now," without offering anything other than flimsy, anecdotal evidence to back up that claim.

 

[TonySantiago]

unlike the club based movements that gave birth to DISCO92 KTU and in the 80s Hot103,there is nothing happening in sales, in the clubs or on the 'street' to indicate a grass roots support for a 'new dance' station;
theorize all you want, no one's gonna fall for it...

I'm not doing this for anyone to "fall" for anything nor to "sell" a gimmick that won't work out. I think you know me better than that.

I put my theories and thoughts out there so as people can challenge them. If we have to make dance music a strong product somehow, we have to clean up matters in our own home in order to try to move forward. This IS a difficult task because we have NO support from the major labels; the industry is indy driven. And, of course, we have the "haters". I'll take the "abuse" if I have to but it is a matter of thinking "outside the box" and to continue pursing the quest of making dance music as mainstream in this country as rock, pop, hip-hop, R&B, country, etc. And if all this can help get the 2009 re-work of "Dance Floor" out there, you win too!

 

[yossefgershon]

A country format would work on 101.9 with bold non-country marketing----there are segments of the minority communities that would welcome today's country hits.An Ed Salomon/WHN approach fine tuned in 2009 type of hype will work.FLATTS,SWIFT and KID ROCK have taken HOT COUNTRY well beyond the SHANIA/FAITH HTLL 90'S CROSSOVER penetration----the music and the media have rapidly evolved.If no country station comes on in the NY market by 2010, there will be no need for one given MP3'S, SAT RADIO AND NET RADIO----our midwood brooklyn family have gone light yrs past our 103.5/107.1 country days---listening to country on cassettes taped from out of town radio on trips or from internet radio using an fm transmitter,listening to internet radio,mp3's and 103.5 HD2.'ktu-hd2 is pretty bad in terms of reception and content.My wife loves our HD radio for 'ltw HD2, so she is happy with HD.

 

[neo11]

A country format would work on 101.9 with bold non-country marketing----there are segments of the minority communities that would welcome today's country hits.An Ed Salomon/WHN approach fine tuned in 2009 type of hype will work.FLATTS,SWIFT and KID ROCK have taken HOT COUNTRY well beyond the SHANIA/FAITH HTLL 90'S CROSSOVER penetration----the music and the media have rapidly evolved.If no country station comes on in the NY market by 2010, there will be no need for one given MP3'S, SAT RADIO AND NET RADIO----our midwood brooklyn family have gone light yrs past our 103.5/107.1 country days---listening to country on cassettes taped from out of town radio on trips or from internet radio using an fm transmitter,listening to internet radio,mp3's and 103.5 HD2.'ktu-hd2 is pretty bad in terms of reception and content.My wife loves our HD radio for 'ltw HD2, so she is happy with HD.

There's a reason why those are *crossover* artists. You can't base a whole format around a handful of crossover artists and a handful of crossover hits! The numbers have shown, again and again and again, that country doesn't work in the NYC area or in the supposed country "strongholds" in the suburbs. That's what it comes down to...reality, not wishful thinking.