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Who Won't Make It Thru 2011?

radioguy39nj said:
ansky212 said:
InSearchOfGear said:
GSP163 said:
How about WFME 94.7 since according to Harold Camping judgement day is 5/21/11 ;D
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Do they have any 2nd or 3rd adjacent shrtspacing issues keeping them from going on ESB as a full B, non-directional?
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I know there is 94.7 WMAS in Springfield, MA. Their signal gets as far south as New Haven county. I don't know if that is considered short spacing though. And there is another 94.7 in Delaware/South Jersey.
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Also 94.5 near Trenton. :)
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I think and ESB move would actually distance them further from Trenton. Forgot about 94.3 Asbury Park, but again, I think ESB is actually farther than their current site. Anyone with engineering background wanna weigh in on this?
 
94.3 on Long Island isn't a factor; it's short-spaced to WFME already, but that short-spacing is grandfathered because both stations were there before 1964. But WFME is significantly short-spaced to WMAS-FM - 200.9 km against a required full spacing of 241 km. There's no way to rectify that even with a directional antenna. You'd have to either downgrade WFME to B1, significantly reducing its coverage and value, or find a way to downgrade or move WMAS-FM.
 
Scott Fybush said:
94.3 on Long Island isn't a factor; it's short-spaced to WFME already, but that short-spacing is grandfathered because both stations were there before 1964. But WFME is significantly short-spaced to WMAS-FM - 200.9 km against a required full spacing of 241 km. There's no way to rectify that even with a directional antenna. You'd have to either downgrade WFME to B1, significantly reducing its coverage and value, or find a way to downgrade or move WMAS-FM.
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Is WMAS out of Springfield, MA? I think it was posted elsewhere their signal goes all the way to New Haven. Could they possibly go to 94.5 or 94.9 to accommodate a class B FM in NYC on 94.7? A B1 on the ESB might not be worth it. :)
 
WMAS is in Springfield, yes - and the entire FM dial in the northeast is very tightly packed, so there's no way to shift WMAS to another frequency as a B. There are 94.5s to contend with in Boston, Rutland VT and Ravena NY (south of Albany), 94.9s on Mount Washington NH and Frankfort NY, not to mention adjacent-channel issues with stations such as 95.1 Brookfield CT and Sunderland VT.

Downgrading WMAS to a B1 could work in theory; even then, you'd probably need a directional antenna for 94.7 on Empire, and that means you'd need a separate antenna for 94.7 from the master or mini-master antennas up there, which are non-directional. Once you start spending that kind of money, you may as well just pay Emmis what it wants for 101.9.
 
Barry said:
Maybe country could work on WFAS, if/when their tower new tower is is built. The signal would not cover the entire market, but would reach a good chunk of it.
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The 60 dbu of the CP covers 7.8 million, while a typical ESB B covers 15.4 million.

When you look at the 64 dbu, inside which most at home and at work listening occurs, an ESB signal covers 14.8 million while WFAS' CP covers 4.9 million.
 
So David, according to your figures, WFAS would send a good signal to about a third as many people in the market as an ESB signal.
Assuming that is correct, it seems that this could still be a good value for someone considering trying a country format. 'FAS would probably sell for considerably less than a third of the price of a station broadcasting from ESB. I base this on the relatively low price recently paid for WCTZ, which will transmit from nearby New Rochelle NY.
In addition many country fans would probably be willing to listen to a slightly less than optimum signal, if they cannot hear the music on another local station.
 
Barry said:
Assuming that is correct, it seems that this could still be a good value for someone considering trying a country format. 'FAS would probably sell for considerably less than a third of the price of a station broadcasting from ESB. I base this on the relatively low price recently paid for WCTZ, which will transmit from nearby New Rochelle NY.
In addition many country fans would probably be willing to listen to a slightly less than optimum signal, if they cannot hear the music on another local station.
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The real issue is that the signal can not get ratings that would rank it high enough to get on most agency buys because those buys are done on a group of factors that include market rank on the buy demos and average audience delivery. In the very ratings-oriented atmosphere in the large markets, not being on this kind of buy could be mortal.

The Long Island stations can prosper as Nassau/Suffolk has its own (embede) radio ratings and they can sell as a market within a market. There is no equivalent for the coverage area of WFAS, probably because there are not enough stations to pay for the creation of an embedded market there.
 
Raider57 said:
I hope WFME flips to Generation X radio! ;D
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I'll let you in on a little secret...

Gen-X Radio is today's AC all wrapped up in a clever little package. What is called today's AC is actually yesterday's AC with aging demos, just like Easy Listening suffered a decade ago.

The sound of mooing coming from all of radio's sacred cows is deafening.
 
I think WFME is an interesting opportunity in 2011. If Harold Camping really wants to stick to his guns that May 20th, 2011 is the final day of judgment, and the world will end, who's stopping someone from offering to buy his stations now, let him LMA them up until that day, and then turn over control on May 21st. After all, what use will he have for the stations if the world is going to end? Plus, it would get him a significant chunk of dough to use for his "outreach".

As to the comment asking if anyone listens - the insignificant 6+ Arbitron numbers on Radio-Info.com show the station has gone 0.2-0.6-0.8 in the last three months, with cume increasing nearly 65,000 over the same time span. It is tied with WQBU and WBBR, a tick behind WLIB and a shade ahead of WNYC-AM. Interestingly, I will sometimes listen in morning drive to hear Tom Note from Shadow Traffic give a rather in-depth, calmly paced traffic report.
 
Scott Fybush said:
WMAS is in Springfield, yes - and the entire FM dial in the northeast is very tightly packed, so there's no way to shift WMAS to another frequency as a B. There are 94.5s to contend with in Boston, Rutland VT and Ravena NY (south of Albany), 94.9s on Mount Washington NH and Frankfort NY, not to mention adjacent-channel issues with stations such as 95.1 Brookfield CT and Sunderland VT.

Downgrading WMAS to a B1 could work in theory; even then, you'd probably need a directional antenna for 94.7 on Empire, and that means you'd need a separate antenna for 94.7 from the master or mini-master antennas up there, which are non-directional. Once you start spending that kind of money, you may as well just pay Emmis what it wants for 101.9.
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That pretty much makes 94.7 a no-go for any commercial operator. Too much tweaking to make it cover the NY market. I think Family will keep that slot. A major commercial operator might as well pay Emmis for 101.9 and have a class B ready to go. :)
 
Scott Fybush said:
94.3 on Long Island isn't a factor; it's short-spaced to WFME already, but that short-spacing is grandfathered because both stations were there before 1964. But WFME is significantly short-spaced to WMAS-FM - 200.9 km against a required full spacing of 241 km. There's no way to rectify that even with a directional antenna. You'd have to either downgrade WFME to B1, significantly reducing its coverage and value, or find a way to downgrade or move WMAS-FM.
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One more question.

Since a move to ESB from their present site would be due east (or that's the way it looks on coverage map) would it actually bring them closer to WMAS? Is the grandfathering forfeited in a move to a new site? If so, I find that rather interesting, considering the commsion will readily approve a 3rd adjacent shortspacing within a market because of the pre 1964 rule, even with a COL. Case in point, 97.5 Trenton to Pennsauken and 3rd adjacent to 98.1.
 
DToTheJ said:
WXRK-HD2.
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Don't say that. It's the last trace left of the K-Rock that I loved. I was listening to the stream the other night. It reminds me of the days when that frequency had decent music on it. I'm not a fan of the "NOW" BULLS*IT".
 
scott5 said:
WOR-710
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In that WOR billed nearly 3 times as much as WEPN in 2009, and even more than WRXP and WXRK and similarly to WWFS, I don't think the clock has expired on this one yet.
 
DavidEduardo said:
scott5 said:
WOR-710
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In that WOR billed nearly 3 times as much as WEPN in 2009, and even more than WRXP and WXRK and similarly to WWFS, I don't think the clock has expired on this one yet.
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If I tease out your statement a bit, tell me if this is true:

- WOR billed well in 2009.
- WWFS came behind them
- ...then WRXP and (at about the same level) WXRK
- ...then WEPN.

If those statements are true, then none of those stations will be going anywhere soon.
 
I'm very happy to hear that WOR is doing so well. WOR is a heritage station and has many, in my opinion, excellent talk programs such as The Joan Hamburg Show. I can only imagine how much better WOR may perform if it were to move to FM.
 
jmtillery said:
I'm very happy to hear that WOR is doing so well. WOR is a heritage station and has many, in my opinion, excellent talk programs such as The Joan Hamburg Show. I can only imagine how much better WOR may perform if it were to move to FM.
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WOR would do better on FM, but the station is very much perceived as being for the Geritol set. If it's programming were more NY-NJ-CT centric, it could potentially be the anti-WABC.

I know this isn't likely, but if Bonneville purchased WOR and migrated it to FM, it would perform better and most importantly increase it's 25-54 numbers. Migrating news/talk to FM is what Bonneville does best. If this happened, a WOR-FM would be a huge success! :)
 
radioguy39nj said:
BJ Steigner said:
WWPR FM Power 105.1
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Why? Power 105.1 is serving its purpose for CC, which is to fragment Hot 97's audience enough to keep Lite-FM in 1st place.

What's CC going to put on 105.1? Rush Radio? That won't get a bigger number than Power gets currently. If it did happen, Hot 97 would be the big winner. :)
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Hot 97.1 is already winning no matter what happens to Power 105.1. But you also need to look at Lite 106.7 vs. WCBS FM 101.1. Now that's a battle
 
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