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WHUD Westchester County Reduces Staff

Hyrum said:
The one who has the answer to that question will be a zillionare about a week after they implement it. As Theater of My Mind pointed out though, to devalue a consumer product will not enhance its chances of success. WHUD probably has the second best signal of all the stations north of New York City and south of Albany, next to WSPK. With that to work with they stand a better chance in coming up with something to make money, but as I've suggested before, making a product less attractive won't help it's future. Playing music of any format without something more to entertain and make you want to listen to that source above others just doesn't work. I don't have the zillion dollar format, but I know what is happening to stations like WHUD will only make the downward slope steeper.
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Has Pamal cut staff at any other of their Stations in The Hudson Valley ?
 
TheBigA said:
When revenues keep falling, you reach a point where you can't afford the staff you once had.

This is not a unique problem. If you put the word 'layoff' in the site search, you'll see that lots of stations have made similar changes this past year.
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I hope they Keep Steve Roy on the weekends. I Enjoyed listening to him Years ago on 106.7
 
Always interest said:
I hope they Keep Steve Roy on the weekends. I Enjoyed listening to him Years ago on 106.7
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You could fill a battleship with very talented people who've been let go due to their employers' financial pressures. Rarely is it a reflection on the quality of their work or their talent.

If you need $30 of baby food and diapers but you only have a twenty in the wallet, something has to go back on the shelf.
 
Weiserguy said:
Always interest said:
I hope they Keep Steve Roy on the weekends. I Enjoyed listening to him Years ago on 106.7
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You could fill a battleship with very talented people who've been let go due to their employers' financial pressures. Rarely is it a reflection on the quality of their work or their talent.

If you need $30 of baby food and diapers but you only have a twenty in the wallet, something has to go back on the shelf.
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And, sad to say, it's often the weekenders who go back on the shelf. For some reason, stations think live (or even tracked) talent is unnecessary on Saturdays and Sunday.
 
K.M. Richards said:
And, sad to say, it's often the weekenders who go back on the shelf. For some reason, stations think live (or even tracked) talent is unnecessary on Saturdays and Sunday.
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I automated my Z-93 in San Juan in late 1979 when it debuted. We were live in AM drive with a morning-zoo-ish show, but the rest of the day was voicetracked. But we had four full shifts from 9 AM to Midnight, done just prior to each one starting. Two of them re-ran Midnight to 6 AM.

Weekends were done by the same staff on Fridays. Same with holidays. We even used generic material to cover vacations and sick days. Nobody every thought we were recorded... or bad because we were. In our second book on the air with this approach, we got a 32.5 in a 30-station market.

Again, this was using late-70's technology with GoCarts and InstaCarts and stacks of carts for every possible weather situation and even time checks, minute by minute. It took considerable work, but it sounded like it was: a number one station.

We did call-in contests by having the "board op" (who also ran the #3 rated station with similar automation) cart the winner and insert it in a two-cart doughnut done by the jock so that it seemed like he was presenting the winner live.

There was always someone there live in the event of an emergency, but what we found was that by prerecording the talent we avoided the excess chatter that was prevalent on nearly every other station in the market. I did with technology what Drake did with million dollar talent some years before: simple, direct, clean, smooth and fast.

And that station is top 5... often even higher... today. That is 45 years of success with a simple clean formula.
 
SomeRadioGuy said:
He's the CEO of Pamal Broadcasting, the owner of WHUD
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Oh. Well, that makes the observation quite relevant.

I am told that some Pamal staffers take on side gigs -- mostly weekends -- to stay afloat, which puts this into perspective (and I don't mean the long-running ABC Sunday news program) fairly well.
 
Steve Green NEPA said:
What with 50,000 watts, I'd imagine that there was a spacing impediment that prevented them from inching closer to Midtown's big Class B signals the way Class A's from Westchester, Stamford CT, et al were doing a decade back.
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From what I see, the biggest impediment to moving southwards would be 2 co-channel stations - WLEV (a grandfathered short-spacing) and WZXL (a potential new shortspacing). WHUD could move to the Armstrong tower in Alpine, for example (the WFDU site) but it probably won't be a full Class B signal to the south because of 73.215 short-spacing towards WZXL.
 
bigic said:
From what I see, the biggest impediment to moving southwards would be 2 co-channel stations - WLEV (a grandfathered short-spacing) and WZXL (a potential new shortspacing). WHUD could move to the Armstrong tower in Alpine, for example (the WFDU site) but it probably won't be a full Class B signal to the south because of 73.215 short-spacing towards WZXL.
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I'm not in front of the computer to do all the math, but there are two issues: I'd need to look to see whether or not WHUD (WLNA-FM) was fully spaced to WHTZ (WVNJ-FM) and WCBS-FM when the current spacing standards went into effect in 1964. If it was fully spaced, it needs to remain fully-spaced for a second-adjacent B. If it was short-spaced then, it can be extremely short-spaced now as a second-adjacent.

And even for a 73.215 short-spacing, you need to show a set of allocations coordinates that are fully spaced to WLEV and WZXL.

My guess is that it's impossible.
 
fybush said:
I'm not in front of the computer to do all the math, but there are two issues: I'd need to look to see whether or not WHUD (WLNA-FM) was fully spaced to WHTZ (WVNJ-FM) and WCBS-FM when the current spacing standards went into effect in 1964. If it was fully spaced, it needs to remain fully-spaced for a second-adjacent B. If it was short-spaced then, it can be extremely short-spaced now as a second-adjacent.

And even for a 73.215 short-spacing, you need to show a set of allocations coordinates that are fully spaced to WLEV and WZXL.

My guess is that it's impossible.
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I don't think you'd need to find a fully spaced site to WLEV, as it's a grandfathered short-spacing. WXBK 94.7 has multiple grandfathered short-spacings, but they were able to create a new 73.215 short-spacing to WWSK 94.3.
As for the short-spacings towards WHTZ and WCBS-FM,
THE WCBS-FM SITE IS SHORT SPACED AND GRANDFATHERED PURSUANT TO SECTION 73.213(A) OF THE FCC RULES WITH RESPECT TO THE FOLLOWING STATIONS: WHUD(FM), CHANNEL 264B, PEEKSKILL
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(from an application submitted by WCBS-FM), so it's a pre-1964 short-spacing. WHUD is short-spaced to WHTZ too, but I'm not sure is this a pre-1964 short-spacing.
 
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Gregg. said:
This was announced a few weeks ago. WHUD, an AC station owned by Pamal Broadcasting, has cut its weekday DJ staff to three people. The male-female morning team has been split. Mike Bennett continues by himself in AM drive. Former morning co-host Kacey moves to middays. And Andy Bale stays in afternoons. The station already has the syndicated John Tesh Intelligence for Your Life in evenings and it's automated overnight. I believe the weekend staff has also been cut back.

WHUD ended its arrangement with Total Traffic. Now someone from another Pamal station, likely in Albany, does traffic and news in drivetimes. It's also likely someone in Albany acts as PD and does the music as well. Pamal has a highly rated AC station in Albany, so I guess it those people can do the same job for WHUD, 100 miles to the south.

It wasn't that long ago when WHUD had its two-person morning team and DJs in all other dayparts, even overnight. And an off-air program director. And if you go back far enough, it had a news department too.
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Ramp is reporting that Kacey is leaving & there is now an opening for middays.
 
Gregg. said:
This was announced a few weeks ago. WHUD, an AC station owned by Pamal Broadcasting, has cut its weekday DJ staff to three people. The male-female morning team has been split. Mike Bennett continues by himself in AM drive. Former morning co-host Kacey moves to middays. And Andy Bale stays in afternoons. The station already has the syndicated John Tesh Intelligence for Your Life in evenings and it's automated overnight. I believe the weekend staff has also been cut back.

WHUD ended its arrangement with Total Traffic. Now someone from another Pamal station, likely in Albany, does traffic and news in drivetimes. It's also likely someone in Albany acts as PD and does the music as well. Pamal has a highly rated AC station in Albany, so I guess it those people can do the same job for WHUD, 100 miles to the south.

It wasn't that long ago when WHUD had its two-person morning team and DJs in all other dayparts, even overnight. And an off-air program director. And if you go back far enough, it had a news department too.
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They went all Christmas Today 😯. They played Warren Zevon During Morning Drive & Now they are all Christmas all the time
 
Always interest said:
They went all Christmas Today 😯. They played Warren Zevon During Morning Drive & Now they are all Christmas all the time
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You mean they played "Werewolves of London" on Halloween?

You don't need to invent reasons to trash Pamal. You can keep it simple, like "They went all-Christmas on November 1st, which is what stations desperate for attention do."
 
MassMusicMan said:
You mean they played "Werewolves of London" on Halloween?

You don't need to invent reasons to trash Pamal. You can keep it simple, like "They went all-Christmas on November 1st, which is what stations desperate for attention do."
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WLIT Chicago is not desperate but it starts today too, that's how things go now.
 
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