why dosent philly have a spanish fm station

[Nate Wesley]

All that being said, I agree. The Latinos get far more channels than their fair share.

Really? More than white people?

That's news. :

 

[Rockin Rob]

It seems to me that the only people calling for a Hispanic FM are the same ones that think Philly needs a dance station and even one rock station is too many. Same argument for both, if the numbers were there and it could generate positive cashflow, it would have been done already.

As far as the Reading argument, wasn't WTVE (Ch. 51) the ORIGINAL Telemundo affiliate in the area? Reading does have a HUGE Hispanic population, without question. So, why did Telemundo fail/tank on 51? They do have "must carry" status with Comcrap (in addition to 65 and 62). Even with the T affiliation, 62 still feels the need to run an ENGLISH shopping service in the overnight. WHY??? It's all about the $$$

Television (and radio) is a BUSINESS....swish, gargle, rinse, repeat....

 

[RunWithScissors]

All that being said, I agree. The Latinos get far more channels than their fair share.

Really? More than white people?

That's news. :

Its people like you that put this country in the sad shape its in, sorry!!! no si habla espaneol' and don't want to. I can just imagine Europeon Caucasians flooding into Mexico, Jamaica or PR and ordering all the stations to flip to their culture. How long before they get thrown out or killed. So why should one group dictate the culture of radio and television and all the things you buy.

 

[PaulBWalkerJr]

Actually, if the callsign includes -CA it is then technically a Class A station and they could force must carry on the local cable systems, provided the cable company can get a clear signal.

but how that company gets a clear signal is up to them, and usually includes fiber.. which the station can't afford.

 

[lilburncommunityradio]

Im sorry, I just have to post on this one.. I dont even life in the Philly market, BUT geez why would you want a hispanic fm? Move to ATLANTA we have 5 to 6 hispanic stations.. Its not what its made out to be.. Its just another station thats gone to a lanuage that I cant understand.. I DONT WANT TO LEARN SPANISH EITHER! I should not have too. I was born in america. and Dammit, I am tired of pushing one for English. Im so very sorry, but this is such a touchy topic and its time it wasnt.. If the hispanics want to continue to migrate here, they need to learn our language, obey our laws, which mean Drivers Licence's, Legal Insurence,
and most of all to adapt to our cultures.

Maybe a proud American like yourself should get a better grasp on the punctuation and spelling of the English language.
Maybe a lover of the Spanish population needs to kiss my ALL AMERICAN BUTT! Go and get some more Hispanics and bring them over the border. It would make you so happy.. Are you also a Democrat? Yes, Yes, I thought so. God you are so easy to find. Comon on down to Georgia and lets see how long you last. Not long for sure.

 

[blueclaws1210]

hey when i asked the question i was doing it for fun to to annoy people . philly radio is 100x times better than nyc radio . belive me i only get ny radio with a little philly radio being in central jersey. you dont want dance it stinks and atleast you have a rock station wmmr is cool compared to free fm in nyc. i am lucky to have grock radio where iam but still wmmr is a full rock station so be quiet with the whole we dont have a full rock station.

 

[davideduardo]

All that being said, I agree. The Latinos get far more channels than their fair share.

Really? More than white people?

That's news. :

"Hispanic" is a culture, not a race. There are white, Black, Asian and indigenous Hispanics. The census considers over half of all Hispanics white.

 

[davideduardo]

Top 10 reasons there is no Spanish Station In Phila

1. 5% listen Aud
2. No Money " Unless Bus Boys and Dishwashers are making a come back"
3. NO Dance Station
4. Who's going to Advertise? CORONO, Taco Bell
5. Reggaeton might be the next hip hop and no one wants that
6. Too fast for white people to dance to.
7. No one wants to be like Miami
8. We live in the USA
9. This is Not Cuba or Mexico
10. No room in a hip hop market,(4) God please Helps Us

1. Half the Hispanics are English dominant. There are maybe 2 shares of Spanish langauge listening.
2. Hispanic income is rising nationally. In Philadelphia, where there have been Puerto Ricans for 60 years, there is good household income. They are not poor.
3. There is no dance station anywhere except in three or four markets in the USA. The reason is that most lose money.
4. Hispanic radio is the only growing part of the industry.
5. Reggaetón is the biggest selling Latin music.
6. White people can't dance.
7. Tough. Miami is much nicer year tround than Philadelphia.
8. Most Hispanics in Philadelphia are from Puerto Rico. They were born American.
9. Not all Hispanics like reggaetón. In fact, reggaetón gets less than a 10 share in Puerto Rico!

 

[wjrgam]

Re: Oddities

Anyone else notice the people on these message boards who push English the most are the same ones who seem to have the most trouble properly typing in that very language?

I'll tell you what, I am a PhD with a degree in English as well as education. As an English speaker, I fully agree with those against the "overwhelming of America" of Spanish speaking radio stations. One in a city is most likely acceptable, but more than one is unnecessary in any US city. And I'm curious, what's the percentage of single0language Spanish speakers in Philadelphia? Is it greater than, say, lovers of Classical music. How many Classical music stations are there in Philadelphia?

 

[StemCell]

Top 10 reasons there is no Spanish Station In Phila

1. 5% listen Aud
2. No Money " Unless Bus Boys and Dishwashers are making a come back"
3. NO Dance Station
4. Who's going to Advertise? CORONO, Taco Bell
5. Reggaeton might be the next hip hop and no one wants that
6. Too fast for white people to dance to.
7. No one wants to be like Miami
8. We live in the USA
9. This is Not Cuba or Mexico
10. No room in a hip hop market,(4) God please Helps Us

1. Half the Hispanics are English dominant. There are maybe 2 shares of Spanish langauge listening.
2. Hispanic income is rising nationally. In Philadelphia, where there have been Puerto Ricans for 60 years, there is good household income. They are not poor.
3. There is no dance station anywhere except in three or four markets in the USA. The reason is that most lose money.
4. Hispanic radio is the only growing part of the industry.
5. Reggaetón is the biggest selling Latin music.
6. White people can't dance.
7. Tough. Miami is much nicer year tround than Philadelphia.
8. Most Hispanics in Philadelphia are from Puerto Rico. They were born American.
9. Not all Hispanics like reggaetón. In fact, reggaetón gets less than a 10 share in Puerto Rico!

The only time I heard the bias media call a Hispanic White, is when they committed a crime against an African American, like what is going on in North LA at the present time. This is just another way of the liberal media keeping the racist pot stirred. I have never heard anyone say Hispanics were White or Caucasian in any other forum. Hispanics are not white, I just love these new forms you have to fill out, a great question is, "are you Spanish" (but not from Spain), which means, if you are from Europe, or a country not in the Island belt, you are considered white and cannot get any free-bes. I know you from other boards and you are so pro-dance/latin, anti-rock/country, I won't even consider your response to contain any validity.

 

[JustinT]

Boston has over 15%-Irish, again, where is that format

It's on Salem's 950 WROL. The format airs during a 1 hour slot on weekdays, 9 hours on Saturdays, and 4 hours on Sundays.

 

[RunWithScissors]

That is the exact point I am making, European ethnics, who have been living in the USA over 200 years have no full time FM signal to carry their programming. They are limited to a few hours per week on small AM signals. Where-as, the fairly new Hispanic ethnics are being catered to with many HIGH POWERED FM signals in many markets. You just answered my question.

 

[BRNout]

7. Tough. Miami is much nicer year tround than Philadelphia.

Gotta disagree with you here David. Miami may look nice, but is inhabited by the some of the most unfriendly and dangerous people in the USA. Murder, car theft and various types of fraud are rampant there. I've spent plenty of time there - thanks to various jaunts to Latin America, and I must say that Miami is more like Latin America than it is like the rest of the US. Only much less friendly.

Stayed in a nice hotel back in June and found that someone had duplicated my credit card and was buying things (in Miami, of course) using my name and address. CC company says that Miami is the national epicenter of that sort of activity.

Philly isn't the greatest, but it sure as Hell beats Miami as a place to live. And to work - especially if you're in radio. It's a larger market. Just to bring us back to radio.

 

[apco25]

Alot of Easterners that re-locate out to Florida, and the West Coast thinking that just because the weather is mostly nice, and Palm trees are everywhere, they think there in a good social friendly environment.
The difference is in major cities like Philly, you know where the communities are coming from....in Miami, California, Bay Area etc. you don't. The sun and the cosmetic effect will fool you into unexpected trouble. And the radio stations are just as vicious when it comes to tight playlist and commercials. So Please, GO BACK!, DON'T MOVE OUT HERE, THERE'S NOTHING OUT HERE.

 

[PhilGalasso]

In recent years, Philly actually had two Spanish-language FM stations. One, WEMG-FM (104.9) was a rimshot licensed to Egg Harbor City, NJ. Its parent company, Mega Communications, lost tons of money and sold the station. WEMG still exists as a puny signal on the AM band (1310, the former WCAM). The other station was a pirate, El Sol (95.3). That station operated for several months before the FCC shut it down. It had a potent signal from Pennsauken, NJ. I could hear it from Mount Holly, NJ to places north of Lansdale on the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike.

Is the Spanish-speaking population in Philadelphia sufficient to support such a station? Longtime Spanish-language WTEL (860 AM) flipped formats to become English-language WWDB several years ago. The New York metropolitan area has approximately 2 million Spanish speakers and South Florida has more Cubans than Havana. How does Philadelphia compare to that?

As for the European languages other than Spanish (yes, Spain is part of Europe), the people who spoke them either assimilated or died. Years ago, I used to listen to Onkel Willi's German-language program on WTEL and a Sunday morning German program on WPEN-FM (now WMGK). WTEL alone carried programs in German, Polish, Italian, and Ukrainian, as well as the Spanish-language "Radio Borinquen" program, later shifting to an all-Spanish "tropical" format as the other programs lost listeners or their time brokers died.

And, yes, Puerto Rico does have English-language stations, at least in San Juan. Pre-Castro Cuba had a bilingual station in Havana, CMOX (1490 AM), "Cuban-American Radio", which played both Cuban and U.S. pop music. There is also an English/Spanish-language station in San José, Costa Rica, TIHB, "Radio Cultural", which broadcasts on AM, FM, and shortwave.

 

[PhilGalasso]

It's overkill that does Latinos no favors - just provides a crutch that makes it easier for them to not assimilate. Nor will they succeed here (as an ethnic group) in this way.

There is nothing new about ethnic radio. Over the years, each wave of immigration was accompanied by numerous stations carrying programming catering to those immigrants. In the 1940s, New York had no fewer than four stations carrying Italian programs: WOV, WHBI, WHOM, and WBNX. Today, WZRC in New York caters to Koreans while WPAT (AM) carries programming in Russian and Chinese. Many of the ethnic stations were "also-ran" independent stations that could not compete effectively by running mainstream English-language programming. The foreign-language programs were usually brokered. The host/producer would buy a block of time from the station, supply his own music and other program material, and sell spots to businesses catering to those who speak his language. It was easy money for the stations. The difference between most of today's Spanish programming and the old-style ethnic programs is that the Spanish-language stations operate the same way that the mainstream stations do: Their talent people are station employees and the stations themselves sell spot advertising directly to the advertisers and ad agencies.

Signs of assimilation are already showing on some Spanish-language stations. In New York, announcers on WSKQ ("La Mega") speak "Spanglish" and sometimes break completely into English. Co-owned WPAT-FM, which airs a Spanish AC format, often airs spots in English and its announcers sometimes use English as well.

Eventually, the Spanish-speaking population will assimilate and the Spanish-language stations will move on to other formats or languages. Profitability is the ultimate arbiter of radio programming.

 

[bat manny]

carefull what you wish for you just might get it, over here in miami we have 7 spanish FM stations and 8 spanish am stations, theres more variety in Spanish music than there is in english. I know we obviously have a huge spanish population but its just not right.

 

[BRNout]

There is also an English/Spanish-language station in San José, Costa Rica, TIHB, "Radio Cultural", which broadcasts on AM, FM, and shortwave.

The ones I know of in San José (and heard throughout Costa Rica) are FM 107.5 - which is classic rock with English speaking announcers 24/7 and Radio Dos (Radio 2) at 99.5 FM which has an English morning show on weekdays - then alternating (recorded) hourly newsbreaks in English and Spanish during the rest of the day. Radio 2 in particular has a very informative morning show and good production values. They even give traffic reports (which is why I listened). 107.5 is less professional, but does carry BBC news briefs a couple times a day.

There was an English speaking rock station on FM in Guatemala City and an oldies station there that was partly in English. Also, San Juan has an AM talker that's in English. Those are all I am aware of in Latin America (not counting Mexican border blasters).