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Why hasn't Country worked before?

> This is exactly why the CMA is here. To make people in a
> market with no outlet understand what the country format is
> all about.

Really? and a few moonths ago when the announcement was made that the CMa awards would be here many people were on this very board posting/cp,[l;aining that it was inapprpriate becuase it was NYc, there was NOT a country outlet here, etc. Please thr eason that the CMA awards is being held here is not about trying to make a market (NYC) without an outlet understand what its about........... Althought it will probably cost more to produce them here the prbability is that there is more revenur to be drwan from here as well. It's not about making some statement to the world about NYC not having acountry outlet.

I think you're over thinking this a great deal.
 
Re: WHY IS THIS STILL A DISCUSSION??

> Am I missing something here? How in the world do these
> trained monkeys think for a second that COUNTRY will make it
> big on NYC radio when classic NYC-based genres haven't
> gotten their due? Don't ever in your lives think that
> country will return to the airwaves before CLASSIC OLD
> SCHOOL HIPHOP and ELECTROFUNK does.
>
> POINT BLANK -- NYC never fostered an environment for country
> music to be a common-day sound no more than South Dakota's
> efforts in preserving the history of the DJ scratchin and
> cuttin.
>
> I've had it with these random mindless out-of-towners
> chatting about country in NYC...what's the big deal already?
> No one's trying to vie for a classic hiphop station in
> South Dakota because we know the reality....now face it
> folks!
>

Wow and if that's not closed minded single sidedly biased, then I don't know what is. Your UN gives it away.

If people want to discuss it...that's what these boards are all about. Given the amount of discussion related to coutry here, there obviously is some level of interest.
POINT: If you dont want to read about it, THEN DONT CLICK IT.
 
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> Am I missing something here? How in the world do these
> trained monkeys think for a second that COUNTRY will make it
> big on NYC radio when classic NYC-based genres haven't
> gotten their due? Don't ever in your lives think that
> country will return to the airwaves before CLASSIC OLD
> SCHOOL HIPHOP and ELECTROFUNK does.
>
> POINT BLANK -- NYC never fostered an environment for country
> music to be a common-day sound no more than South Dakota's
> efforts in preserving the history of the DJ scratchin and
> cuttin.
>
> I've had it with these random mindless out-of-towners
> chatting about country in NYC...what's the big deal already?
> No one's trying to vie for a classic hiphop station in
> South Dakota because we know the reality....now face it
> folks!
>
As I said on another post. The CMA absolutely cannot stand the fact that it doesn't have a country outlet here.
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Actually, as he's rightly pointed out, there's mainly OUT-OF-TOWN, or even out-of-market interest in this story.

New York City is a city full of immigrants, and a station playing Russian Pop, or Cantonese Pop (Cantonese is a Chinese dialect for you out of towners) would probably fare better in ratings and demos then a Country station would.

Now if a Country station can't even make it work in the suburbs of New York, and Y-107 had like three or four frequencies, then how the hell do "y'all" figure it can make it to the cit ??
Let's see: suburbanites with little intertest in Country are commuting to work into the city, joined by folks living in the 5 boroughs not interested in Country. Yeah! Let's put on not one, but TWO Country stations b/c Country's in such hot demand in New York...

As has been said before, upbeat Country music is reminiscent of 50s Rock N Roll, and the ballads are reminiscent of the 70s cheesiest of cheese slow songs. While Sean Hanity may enjoy listening to it, most New Yorkers in the coveted demos won't. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 11/14/05 02:40 PM.</FONT></P>
 
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> If people want to discuss it...that's what these boards are
> all about. Given the amount of discussion related to coutry
> here, there obviously is some level of interest.

The annoying part of it is that all of the advocates of country in NYC. are from out of town and do not understand the mentality, vibe and demographics of the city.
When they understand that then maybe they can begin to make intelligent comments about how country will or won't work in the city.
Until then the ignorant comments are redundant and annoying and from a local perspective it's baffling as to why all these out of towners really care if there is a country station here or not.
I'll state it once again on this post...
The CMA can't stand the fact that they don't have an outlet here.
It's like a right wing cult!











> POINT: If you dont want to read about it, THEN DONT CLICK
> IT.
>
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> Now if a Country station can't even make it work in the
> suburbs of New York,

Not really true, WRWD does pretty well in the Hudson Valley.

Look I am not for or against country in NYC. But it's not terrible to have the discussion (that was my point. It beats the usless banter about guessing which station is flipping to what next every other thread.
 
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> The annoying part of it is that all of the advocates of
> country in NYC. are from out of town and do not understand
> the mentality, vibe and demographics of the city.
> When they understand that then maybe they can begin to make
> intelligent comments about how country will or won't work in
> the city.
> Until then the ignorant comments are redundant and annoying
> and from a local perspective it's baffling as to why all
> these out of towners really care if there is a country
> station here or not.
> I'll state it once again on this post...
> The CMA can't stand the fact that they don't have an outlet
> here.
> It's like a right wing cult!
>

haha. I am sure one of the reasons the CMAs were brought here was for this purpose...to incite people about the lack of a country station. As I said in the other post whether there is one here or not and yes the demos certainly wouldnt make sense to have one...country on a national scale is much larger than people here would think.
 
Re: Because it's NYC., different demographics

>
>
> I'm going to have to take issue with you. Whats wrong with
> being a little patriotic and singing about loving your
> nation, your family or God?

With the current administration there is not much to love about our country at the moment, god is better left for church or religious stations.

I'm sure there are lots of
> people in NYC who appreciate things like God, family and
> moms apple pie and would much rather hear a song that makes
> them feel good than have to listen to shock jocks talking
> about (BLEEP), and thugs rapping about pimps,hoes and bling
> bling.

That last comment doesn't even merit a response.

I'm going to get slammed for what I'm going to say,
> just read it with an open mind because i wonder if it might
> be painfully true. I'm beginning to think that some people
> around the country maybe HAVE forgotten... oh, and "God
> Bless America"

Have forgotten what....that we went to war with the wrong country....?
No one here will ever forget what happened. It's the way that it's dealt with currently that New Yorker's would rather forget.
Hence another reason that this politically right wing charged country hoopla doesn't cut it in this city.
yeeee haaaaa!
>
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> > Now if a Country station can't even make it work in the
> > suburbs of New York,
>
> Not really true, WRWD does pretty well in the Hudson Valley.
>
The Hudon Valley is not part of the NYC. Metropolitan Area.
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> > > Now if a Country station can't even make it work in the
> > > suburbs of New York,
> >
> > Not really true, WRWD does pretty well in the Hudson
> Valley.
> >
> The Hudon Valley is not part of the NYC. Metropolitan Area.
> WRWD doesn't get near the metro area.
>

What? Oh I'm sorry I guess all those commuters who ride NJTransit or ShortLine out of Orange and Rockland Counties to the city dont live in the suburbs of NYC. But they are required to pay a .25% tax for the system. Right. The lower hudson area is less then 50 miles from the city. It falls under the context of suburbs.

Of course WRWD doesnt get into the city. I was refuting that there isnt a country station in the suburbs, because there is.
 
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> > > > Now if a Country station can't even make it work in
> the
> > > > suburbs of New York,
> > >
> > > Not really true, WRWD does pretty well in the Hudson
> > Valley.
> > >
> > The Hudon Valley is not part of the NYC. Metropolitan
> Area.
> > WRWD doesn't get near the metro area.
> >
>
> What? Oh I'm sorry I guess all those commuters who ride
> NJTransit or ShortLine out of Orange and Rockland Counties
> to the city dont live in the suburbs of NYC. But they are
> required to pay a .25% tax for the system. Right. The lower
> hudson area is less then 50 miles from the city. It falls
> under the context of suburbs.

Rockland and Orange are indeed part of the metro NYC area, and are oftentimes ranked as some of the best counties in the country. I myself used to live in Rockland County back in the day.
Usually when people mention the Hudson Valley people already think of Newburgh and further up around Poughkeepsie. Those areas obviously aren't part of metro New York.

There's also nothing wrong with having a discussion about a very popular form of American music called Country. I know it all too well having moved to the Nashville area this past year. Country music has its time and place, but it just doesn't have that big of a draw in New York as NYC is much more of a global city compared to other American towns.

People often bash Hip Hop here, but it works in this metro, in most of America's cities...and even in places around the world you'd least expect it. For example, there's a successful Rhythmic leaning CHR in Iceland where 50 percent of the music is Hip Hop. There's also a Rhythmic station in Manilla, the Philippines. There's an FM network in France called Skyrock which is all Hip Hop. It's big with both white French, and with the children of Arab immigrants (who account for more then 10 percent of France's population). Paris alone has three Hip Hop stations, which is actually more then New York City!
Stockholm, Sweden has two Hip Hop stations, and Copenhagen, Denmark has one. Even St. Petersburg, Russia recently got a Hip Hop station!
Do you know how many Country stations can be found in Iceland, France, Swden, the Philippines, Russia, or even in an American territory like Puerto Rico? ZERO. A big round O.
I think that's what New Yorkers on this board mean when they say New York is too much of an immigrant town that won't support Country.
 
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> Not in NYC. If there were big bucks to be made with country
> it would have been done. Do you think broadcast executives
> are that stupid?

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Re: Because it's NYC., different demographics

> I'm going to have to take issue with you. Whats wrong with
> being a little patriotic and singing about loving your
> nation, your family or God?

Just look at the link in Jeffrey's sig... that says it all.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Not in NYC. If there were big bucks to be made with
> country
> > it would have been done. Do you think broadcast executives
>
> > are that stupid?
>
> In a word, yes.



Right...and that is why the country format was such a success in the past.


>
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> > I'm going to have to take issue with you. Whats wrong
> with
> > being a little patriotic and singing about loving your
> > nation, your family or God?
>
> Just look at the link in Jeffrey's sig... that says it all.
>
and just look at the state you reside in..
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> > > > > Now if a Country station can't even make it work in
> > the
> > > > > suburbs of New York,
> > > >
> > > > Not really true, WRWD does pretty well in the Hudson
> > > Valley.
> > > >
> > > The Hudon Valley is not part of the NYC. Metropolitan
> > Area.
> > > WRWD doesn't get near the metro area.
> > >
> >
> > What? Oh I'm sorry I guess all those commuters who ride
> > NJTransit or ShortLine out of Orange and Rockland Counties
>
> > to the city dont live in the suburbs of NYC. But they are
> > required to pay a .25% tax for the system. Right. The
> lower
> > hudson area is less then 50 miles from the city. It falls
> > under the context of suburbs.
>
> Rockland and Orange are indeed part of the metro NYC area,
> and are oftentimes ranked as some of the best counties in
> the country. I myself used to live in Rockland County back
> in the day.
> Usually when people mention the Hudson Valley people already
> think of Newburgh and further up around Poughkeepsie. Those
> areas obviously aren't part of metro New York.
>
> There's also nothing wrong with having a discussion about a
> very popular form of American music called Country. I know
> it all too well having moved to the Nashville area this past
> year. Country music has its time and place, but it just
> doesn't have that big of a draw in New York as NYC is much
> more of a global city compared to other American towns.
>
> People often bash Hip Hop here, but it works in this metro,
> in most of America's cities...and even in places around the
> world you'd least expect it. For example, there's a
> successful Rhythmic leaning CHR in Iceland where 50 percent
> of the music is Hip Hop. There's also a Rhythmic station in
> Manilla, the Philippines. There's an FM network in France
> called Skyrock which is all Hip Hop. It's big with both
> white French, and with the children of Arab immigrants (who
> account for more then 10 percent of France's population).
> Paris alone has three Hip Hop stations, which is actually
> more then New York City!
> Stockholm, Sweden has two Hip Hop stations, and Copenhagen,
> Denmark has one. Even St. Petersburg, Russia recently got a
> Hip Hop station!
> Do you know how many Country stations can be found in
> Iceland, France, Swden, the Philippines, Russia, or even in
> an American territory like Puerto Rico? ZERO. A big round O.
>
> I think that's what New Yorkers on this board mean when they
> say New York is too much of an immigrant town that won't
> support Country.
>
Hip-Hop is worldwide. I have been seeing on TV where Hip-Hop is very popular, even in the far east.

When Hip-Hop is being discussed, I am always hearing that it is now worldwide and that many people from throughout this world are embracing it.

Wish I could say the same for Country.

These comments are coming from someone that doesn't even live in NYC. I still call the "Dirty South" my home. I was born and bread in good ol' Alabama.

RDP <><

P.S. I am not from NYC but I fully understand why Country will never work, in that city. It's too diverse of a place to support Country. Maybe Mr. Puerto Rican Soul is right. Since Hip-Hop evolved from NYC, maybe its time for a 24 hour Classic Hip-Hop station to hit the airwaves and spotlight the founders of this music and give them their props.
 
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> > > > Now if a Country station can't even make it work in
> the
> > > > suburbs of New York,
> > >
> > > Not really true, WRWD does pretty well in the Hudson
> > Valley.
> > >
> > The Hudon Valley is not part of the NYC. Metropolitan
> Area.
> > WRWD doesn't get near the metro area.
> >
>
> What? Oh I'm sorry I guess all those commuters who ride
> NJTransit or ShortLine out of Orange and Rockland Counties
> to the city dont live in the suburbs of NYC. But they are
> required to pay a .25% tax for the system. Right. The lower
> hudson area is less then 50 miles from the city. It falls
> under the context of suburbs.
>
> Of course WRWD doesnt get into the city. I was refuting that
> there isnt a country station in the suburbs, because there
> is.
>

WRWD has no effect and it doesn't come in through a big chunk of the suburbs. Don't forget Northern New Jersey is apart of the suburbs and there is no country station, not even in Sussex County! I don't think there is a huge demand for country radio in this region.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Folks, many of you have been stating that Country can work
>
> > in NYC. A lot of you state that you miss the old station.
> I
> > haen't heard anybody say it was a bad station.
> > So why is isn't still on the air?
>
> each station that has left the format did so because they
> either did not make money or did not, in the owner's
> perspective, make as much money as they could have made in
> another fomrat.
>

Not only is money a factor (main factor) but ratings weren't that hot. In my opinion, New York City just doesn't seem like the type of city that could support a country station.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > > > > > Now if a Country station can't even make it work
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > suburbs of New York,
> > > > >
> > > > > Not really true, WRWD does pretty well in the Hudson
>
> > > > Valley.
> > > > >
> > > > The Hudon Valley is not part of the NYC. Metropolitan
> > > Area.
> > > > WRWD doesn't get near the metro area.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What? Oh I'm sorry I guess all those commuters who ride
> > > NJTransit or ShortLine out of Orange and Rockland
> Counties
> >
> > > to the city dont live in the suburbs of NYC. But they
> are
> > > required to pay a .25% tax for the system. Right. The
> > lower
> > > hudson area is less then 50 miles from the city. It
> falls
> > > under the context of suburbs.
> >
> > Rockland and Orange are indeed part of the metro NYC area,
>
> > and are oftentimes ranked as some of the best counties in
> > the country. I myself used to live in Rockland County back
>
> > in the day.
> > Usually when people mention the Hudson Valley people
> already
> > think of Newburgh and further up around Poughkeepsie.
> Those
> > areas obviously aren't part of metro New York.
> >
> > There's also nothing wrong with having a discussion about
> a
> > very popular form of American music called Country. I know
>
> > it all too well having moved to the Nashville area this
> past
> > year. Country music has its time and place, but it just
> > doesn't have that big of a draw in New York as NYC is much
>
> > more of a global city compared to other American towns.
> >
> > People often bash Hip Hop here, but it works in this
> metro,
> > in most of America's cities...and even in places around
> the
> > world you'd least expect it. For example, there's a
> > successful Rhythmic leaning CHR in Iceland where 50
> percent
> > of the music is Hip Hop. There's also a Rhythmic station
> in
> > Manilla, the Philippines. There's an FM network in France
> > called Skyrock which is all Hip Hop. It's big with both
> > white French, and with the children of Arab immigrants
> (who
> > account for more then 10 percent of France's population).
> > Paris alone has three Hip Hop stations, which is actually
> > more then New York City!
> > Stockholm, Sweden has two Hip Hop stations, and
> Copenhagen,
> > Denmark has one. Even St. Petersburg, Russia recently got
> a
> > Hip Hop station!
> > Do you know how many Country stations can be found in
> > Iceland, France, Swden, the Philippines, Russia, or even
> in
> > an American territory like Puerto Rico? ZERO. A big round
> O.
> >
> > I think that's what New Yorkers on this board mean when
> they
> > say New York is too much of an immigrant town that won't
> > support Country.
> >
> Hip-Hop is worldwide. I have been seeing on TV where
> Hip-Hop is very popular, even in the far east.
>
> When Hip-Hop is being discussed, I am always hearing that it
> is now worldwide and that many people from throughout this
> world are embracing it.
>
> Wish I could say the same for Country.
>
> These comments are coming from someone that doesn't even
> live in NYC. I still call the "Dirty South" my home. I was
> born and bread in good ol' Alabama.
>

This is totally unrelated to Country music, but I was just in Alabama last week. Birmingham pleasantly surprised me with its Civil Rights Museum, some good art museums, and the natural scenary on the southside is great (the southside is also one of the richest areas in the South, if not the country). The University of Alabama in Downtown Birmingham is also one of the top schools for law and medicine if I'm not mistaken, and the women are HOT :). I've also been to Mobile and Montgomery in the past, and they too have some good things to offer.
Anything to do over in Huntsville? I figure since I'm only a couple of hours away, I might as well check it out.
 
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