WHY IS KAMP STILL ON THE CHR PANEL?

[atlantaboy]

KAMP isn't the problem in this scenario. The problem is a lack of rock product

Then why did they drop Raise Your Glass out of low rotation when it hit #1 nationwide? (And #1 on I-Tunes?)

You guys are assuming KAMP is really a CHR, which would play rock product if more of it was out there - I think it's a Rhythmic station which wouldn't touch rock product no matter how popular it was

Most likely because it was spinning "Raise Your Glass" before KIIS or KBIG. By the time it had hit #1 on the nationwide charts, it was stale

That's completely false - KAMP never got Raise Your Glass out of light rotation (they played it for a total of approximately ten weeks, about 15-20x a week)

 

[atlantaboy]

Although the ratings don't reflect this, since 97.1 switched to CHR, it has been pretty consistent about breaking tracks, rhythmic, pop and rock before KIIS.

???

 

[justpassingthough]

KAMP isn't the problem in this scenario. The problem is a lack of rock product

Then why did they drop Raise Your Glass out of low rotation when it hit #1 nationwide? (And #1 on I-Tunes?)

You guys are assuming KAMP is really a CHR, which would play rock product if more of it was out there - I think it's a Rhythmic station which wouldn't touch rock product no matter how popular it was

Most likely because it was spinning "Raise Your Glass" before KIIS or KBIG. By the time it had hit #1 on the nationwide charts, it was stale

That's completely false - KAMP never got Raise Your Glass out of light rotation (they played it for a total of approximately ten weeks, about 15-20x a week)

What exactly are you refuting in that statement? I didn't say they had Pink in rotation, I said they broke the song before KIIS and KBIG. I mentioned that KIIS and KBIG then proceeded to play it ad infinitum.

Your argument still fails to track with what most people in this thread are saying. The CHR chart should reflect the hits- CHR stations shouldn't reflect the charts. You're putting the cart before the horse. CHR stations should play what fits their audience and if their audience responds, it should be moved into heavy rotation then retired when appropriate. If this favors rhythmic songs in some markets, then so be it. That alone doesn't mean that CHR stations in some markets should be moved to the rhythmic panel just because you deem them too heavy on rhythmic songs.

 

[atlantaboy]

KAMP isn't the problem in this scenario. The problem is a lack of rock product

Then why did they drop Raise Your Glass out of low rotation when it hit #1 nationwide? (And #1 on I-Tunes?)

You guys are assuming KAMP is really a CHR, which would play rock product if more of it was out there - I think it's a Rhythmic station which wouldn't touch rock product no matter how popular it was

Most likely because it was spinning "Raise Your Glass" before KIIS or KBIG. By the time it had hit #1 on the nationwide charts, it was stale

That's completely false - KAMP never got Raise Your Glass out of light rotation (they played it for a total of approximately ten weeks, about 15-20x a week)

What exactly are you refuting in that statement? I didn't say they had Pink in rotation, I said they broke the song before KIIS and KBIG. I mentioned that KIIS and KBIG then proceeded to play it ad infinitum.

It sounded like you said that KAMP dropped Raise Your Glass cause it had already gotten stale on their station

Not sure it matters though - KAMP dropped Raise Your Glass cause the guitar sound wasn't testing well with their 66% Hispanic audience - it had nothing to do with other stations playing it too much (sorry I think that's just making excuses)

And no clue why you said that KAMP breaks new "rock" tracks

Once again, half the stations on the Rhythmic panel could say they're "picking out the hits on the CHR chart that are testing well in their market" - if you selectively pick out the pop hits that have dance beats and no guitars, you're a Rhythmic station - that's what the format was invented for

 

[CHRles]

Amp Radio is still on the CHR/Pop panel ;D ;D ;D

Star 94 Atlanta? long gone from the CHR/Pop panel. ;D ;D ;D

Several posters on Radio Info still think we're in 1991, you know back when there were plenty of Rock songs on the Top 40 airplay charts, and even on the Hot 100 Singles chart. Let's not clue them in to the fact that we're in 2011

 

[justpassingthough]

I understand what AtlantaBoy is trying to say about stations like KAMP not playing enough rock, but I think there is a chance he is clouded by this personal tastes more than the facts. Rhythmic songs are doing well for CHR, and CHR is performing better than almost anyone expected in the PPM. Stations would be sorely remiss to start playing rock songs that aren't testing well with their audiences, just because they enjoy success in some markets, and therefore, appear on the CHR charts.

Again, the charts should be an amalgamation of what the CHR stations are playing, and stations shouldn't be forced to play everything on the charts. What is "popular" music in one market, could be very unpopular in other markets.

 

[atlantaboy]

Several posters on Radio Info still think we're in 1991

Hmmm...Pink hit #1 with Raise Your Glass in 2011 :

By the way, Hey Soul Sister by Train was the biggest selling I-Tunes single of 2010 lol - rock product being more scarce and rock product not being well-liked are pretty different things

 

[atlantaboy]

I understand what AtlantaBoy is trying to say about stations like KAMP not playing enough rock, but I think there is a chance he is clouded by this personal tastes more than the facts. Rhythmic songs are doing well for CHR, and CHR is performing better than almost anyone expected in the PPM. Stations would be sorely remiss to start playing rock songs that aren't testing well with their audiences, just because they enjoy success in some markets, and therefore, appear on the CHR charts.

Again, the charts should be an amalgamation of what the CHR stations are playing, and stations shouldn't be forced to play everything on the charts. What is "popular" music in one market, could be very unpopular in other markets.

I mean, what you're saying makes perfect sense, except to me it's backwards. You're assuming certain stations are CHR, and they're not, they're Rhythmic - of course rock songs don't test well with their audiences - they're Rhythmic audiences

Also, it usually has nothing to do with their market - with a couple exceptions, every pop/Rhythmic CHR in the country is a second "CHR" in a market with two "CHRs" - one that leans Rhythmic, and one that leans mainstream - the entire 18-34 market doesn't favor rhythmic music, the audience of the station does

 

[AM FM listener]

I think KAMP is considered a CHR because LA has KPWR, which everyone considers a Rhythmic. KPWR bills itself as "Where Hip Hop Lives," has all ethnic jocks, but does not attract enough blacks to be considered Urban. KAMP bills itself as playing "All The Hits" (regardless if it is true or not) and has almost all white jocks so it appears on the surface more like KIIS than KPWR.

I might agree that musically, KAMP is more of a Rhythmic than a CHR. However, when you combine the other format elements (imaging, jocks) and compare the way it sounds vs. KIIS and KPWR, KAMP seems more CHR than Rhythmic, by a hair. It truly walks that line between CHR and Rhythmic.

 

[CHRles]

Hmmm...Pink hit #1 with Raise Your Glass in 2011 :

Pink is not a Rock artist, and has never been played on Rock radio : Saying Pink is Rock is like saying Avril Lavigne is/was Punk Rock.
"Hey Soul Sister" was largely popular due to the Rhythmic/Hip Hop sounding lyrics...which is precisely part of the success and appeal of Pink's "Raise Your Glass".
Oh, and have you noticed how similarly sounding Pink's "F*ckin Perfect" chorus is to Taio Cruz's "Dynamite"?

 

[atlantaboy]

Hmmm...Pink hit #1 with Raise Your Glass in 2011 :

Pink is not a Rock artist, and has never been played on Rock radio

Yeah, but this entire thead was based on KAMP dropping Pink out of light rotation because she's pop/rock and not rhythmic - no one said that KAMP should be playing Linkin Park (that was never even brought up)

And Hey Soul Sister was popular because the lyrics sound hip-hop? Lol I can't even believe you said that

I think AMFM Listener gave a pretty legit response though - I'm pretty sure there are tons of Rhythmic stations with white DJs, but I guess if KAMP is marketing itself as playing "All The Hits", that's probably why it's on the CHR panel - I'm not saying I agree with it, especially since there are tons of Hot ACs that use taglines like "Today's Best Hits", but at least it's an explanation that makes sense

As long as there are lots of Rhythmic stations that want to market themselves as CHRs though, the CHR chart is going to artificially lower the peaks of pop/rock songs (which is why I feel pretty strongly about this lol)

 

[CHRles]

And Hey Soul Sister was popular because the lyrics sound hip-hop? Lol I can't even believe you said that

Really? You can't believe I said that? Then you haven't been paying attention to Pop culture.
Here's an article written by Radio Info's own Sean Ross, a true vet of the industry, a music guru whose worked at Billboard, R&R, and knowns the ins and outs of radio formatics:
http://www.radio-info.com/programming/25-plus/trains-pat-monahan-the-25-interview

"With its slew of pop-culture references and its acoustic-meets-Hip-Hop track, “Hey Soul Sister” now seems like it was always calibrated for the radio as well—the song that reflected the band’s renewed determination."

 

[acesup]

Hmmm...Pink hit #1 with Raise Your Glass in 2011 :

Pink is not a Rock artist, and has never been played on Rock radio

Yeah, but this entire thead was based on KAMP dropping Pink out of light rotation because she's pop/rock and not rhythmic - no one said that KAMP should be playing Linkin Park (that was never even brought up)

And Hey Soul Sister was popular because the lyrics sound hip-hop? Lol I can't even believe you said that

I think AMFM Listener gave a pretty legit response though - I'm pretty sure there are tons of Rhythmic stations with white DJs, but I guess if KAMP is marketing itself as playing "All The Hits", that's probably why it's on the CHR panel - I'm not saying I agree with it, especially since there are tons of Hot ACs that use taglines like "Today's Best Hits", but at least it's an explanation that makes sense

As long as there are lots of Rhythmic stations that want to market themselves as CHRs though, the CHR chart is going to artificially lower the peaks of pop/rock songs (which is why I feel pretty strongly about this lol)

And at the end of the day, none of it is life or death, so why do you care? If you want the pop/rock sound, you've got two stations in your backyard that love that sound in Star 94 and Q100. Listen to those non-stop and leave the programming of REAL CHRs to those of us that do it everyday.

 

[atlantaboy]

leave the programming of REAL CHRs to those of us that do it everyday.

Lol I think you might be slightly biased here : Tell your boss at KAMP, or KTFM, or WWHT/Syracuse, or WBVD/Melbourne, or wherever you work that your station needs to be moved to the Rhythmic panel

 

[CHRles]

leave the programming of REAL CHRs to those of us that do it everyday.

Lol I think you might be slightly biased here : Tell your boss at KAMP, or KTFM, or WWHT/Syracuse, or WBVD/Melbourne, or wherever you work that your station needs to be moved to the Rhythmic panel

How is he biased? He programmed 106.7 KMX in Dothan, which is a true blue balanced small market CHR/Pop station.
If I'm not mistaken he's now working at a great Midwestern CHR/Pop outlet, 101.5 BNQ Bloomington. Neither station leans Rhythmic to the best of my knowledge
http://www.wkmx.com/
http://wbnq.com/

So no, he's definitely not biased. He just really gets what CHR/Pop radio is about.

 

[atlantaboy]

^He said Q100 wasn't a "real CHR" - that station in Bloomington plays Mockingbird by Rob Thomas so no clue what's going on here...

In any case, this isn't about programming, it's about classification (no question KAMP is doing a fantastic job programming their station - I don't think anyone could doubt that)

 

[TheMusicMan]

I totally get where atlantaboy is coming from on this one. It's hard for me to argue with the overabundance of Rhythmic at CHR when the format is doing so nicely across the board, but I'm also fed up that many stations won't give Linkin Park, The Script, Plain White T's and others their dues. That's just the way the pendulum's swinging, I guess. Personally, I think all the dance/rhythmic stuff is starting to sound the same and I'm ready for a rock/HAC comeback, but that won't happen until the rhythmic product isn't availing itself so readily, then. And yes, CHR is doing well in PPM, but I suspect it would have been doing just as well had PPM been introduced back when the format was more balanced. Songs like "Jar Of Hearts" connect nicely where they're given a chance - the issue is that many CHRs simply refuse to do so.

You'll notice that Hot AC is moving to compensate by becoming slightly more current, abandoning 80's product in favor of Rihanna, Usher and Nelly. Five years ago I would have been stunned to hear "DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love" at that format, but stations like WTMX and WDVD with rock-averse CHRs across the street are making it happen. Hot AC's not doing half-bad these days, either, but it doesn't have the mass appeal of CHR so its 18-34's and overall numbers will never be quite as good in most situations.

For great examples of CHRs that are emphasizing rhythmic product due to the format's current leanings without abandoning HAC/rock material entirely, check out WFLZ/Tampa and WNKS/Charlotte. Make no bones about it - these stations know that dance-pop reigns supreme at the moment. But FLZ also makes sure to include Train's "Marry Me," Paper Tongues and Linkin Park (largely during daytime), while Kiss is doing nicely with OneRepublic, Sick Puppies and championed "Breakeven" before almost anyone else. Both are major market PPM success stories. There's also XL/Orlando, Wild/WPB, and River/Nashville.

I think the combination of PPM and new competitors in certain markets is forcing certain stations to tighten their playlists considerably and stick to what's safe - which, right now, is Ke$ha and Rihanna. Z100, for instance, wasn't NEARLY as tight as they are now until the moment 92.3 Now set foot into the arena.

 

[Dkampy]

Hmmm...Pink hit #1 with Raise Your Glass in 2011 :

Pink is not a Rock artist, and has never been played on Rock radio : Saying Pink is Rock is like saying Avril Lavigne is/was Punk Rock.
"Hey Soul Sister" was largely popular due to the Rhythmic/Hip Hop sounding lyrics...which is precisely part of the success and appeal of Pink's "Raise Your Glass".
Oh, and have you noticed how similarly sounding Pink's "F*ckin Perfect" chorus is to Taio Cruz's "Dynamite"?

Rock stations may not touch pink...but the genius of Pink is her music is a cross section of rock, Pop, and dance. Which works great for her...if she leans one way or the other too much it does not work as well...case in point her Album "try This" which was too punk...Make no bones about it...comming from someone who has heard all of Pinks CD's in their entireity...she is a Rock/pop artist just as much as any other rock/pop song on the chr charts...Which is pecisely why she may not work on such a heavy Rhythmic leaning station such as KAMP

 

[AM FM listener]

I think AMFM Listener gave a pretty legit response though - I'm pretty sure there are tons of Rhythmic stations with white DJs, but I guess if KAMP is marketing itself as playing "All The Hits", that's probably why it's on the CHR panel - I'm not saying I agree with it, especially since there are tons of Hot ACs that use taglines like "Today's Best Hits", but at least it's an explanation that makes sense

I appreciate the respect, atlantaboy. I love a good theoretical argument, that's what these boards are for, and you really got the party started with your question about KAMP.

Interesting point about Hot AC's with CHR-like imagers. I won't be surprised if more Hot AC's start lobbying to be on the CHR/Pop panel now that they are adding more rhythmic music. Seems everyone wants to be a CHR reporter again.

As a side, there's a thread on the LA board suggesting KPWR is becoming more CHR/Pop(?). Ha.

 

[xyz]

KAMP is an awesome CHR! They are standing very tall in the ratings against CHR, Urban, Hip Hop, Rhythmic, Rock and anything else you got. They are definitely tuned in to what El Lay considers contemporary hit music. Go to the Dentist's board and ask how many tunes WABC listed on their top 40 surveys that they never even played! FWIW, no "rock or pop rock" titles mentioned in this thread are tunes I'd bang on the dashboard while driving to an 'I'm gonna get laid!' Saturday night!