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Why Is Right-Wing Talkradio obsessed by AA?

Re: Why Is Right-Wing Talkradio obsessed by AA? *DELETED*

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Why is Leftist Talk Radio Obsessed With Hating Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, et al?

Q. Why is Looney Left Talk Radio Obsessed With
Hating Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, Ingraham,
Bennett, Coulter, et al?

A. They are AAR's Raison d Etre. (Excuse my French if
spelling is wrong.) Without these guys, AAR would have
no reason to exist.

They've turned hate into an industry... See The I Hate Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity. . . Reader
ir
and Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot
ir
and The Oh Really? Factor
ir
. Even their titles spew hate.

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Re: Because they are [edit...name calling]

Can't anyone have a little fun at AAR's expense? I don't think anyone is "obsessed" with AAR besides posters here (on both sides..those who would have us believe that AAR is number one in every daypart and market and those who say it is failing. ). If any of AAR's hosts succeed, it will be because they, themselves, get an audience...which is what the left-wing detractors of Rush, et al, fail to get. By the way, Rush went national during Bush I.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by cabradio on 10/02/05 01:49 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Maybe that's why it's so popular

> You never saw Rush's TV show, where Bill and Hillary were
> portrayed in sickening characterizations. Conservative talk
> radio (I am trying to stay on radio here) HATES Hillary with
> a PASSION. Complete, unbridled HATRED.

Maybe that's why it's so popular. A lot of people feel this way.

> What Liberal talk show host advocated Bush being killed?

Wasn't it Randi Rhodes?

73s from 954

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Not only having liberals post on message boards of conservative hosts, but calling in under false pretenses with the same buzz phrases.
 
Re: Why is Leftist Talk Radio Obsessed With Hating Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, et al?

> They've turned hate into an industry... See The I Hate Ann
> Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean
> Hannity. . . Reader and Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and
> The Oh Really? Factor. Even their titles spew hate.

This logic is the mother of all breaks from reality. Suggesting that any of the above individuals are sweetness and light is sufficient evidence to hold you 24 hours for observation in a place with no sharp objects. :)

The demonization of those perceived as leftist by all of the above is precisely why a corresponding backlash has come from the progressive community, many of whom are willing to fight fire with fire.

O'Reilly's obsession with Al Franken is enough to get Calvin Klein to sue him for patent infringement.
 
Re: Because they are [edit...name calling]

> If these <font color="red">[edit...name calling]</font> (conservative hosts) had kept their mouths shut, there's a chance
> progressive talk radio (and Air
> America Radio) would have come and gone without notice.

That's untrue. Progressives who like the concept of talk radio have been stuck with their local NPR affiliate, music FM outlets, and their iPods for more than a decade now. Libtalk had failed before because the shows were not entertaining, did not have the kind of fireworks that audiences are drawn to, and few stations with a news/talk format were going to make room for a token liberal in a sea of conservatism. AAR brought an entire program day with them for AM stations looking for something different. Now people who were driven away from talk radio by an endless parade of me-too conservatives have somewhere to go.

> Talk radio thrives on attack. It needs a villian.

This is true. Something happens and everyone tunes in to hear what so and so is going to say about it.

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> Fox News presenting an alternative viewpoint--I'd like to
> think the news
> coverage is fair and balanced while the opinion shows tilt
> slightly to
> the right, or are equal, like Hannity and Colmes. And the
> liberals got all
> upset. Hey, tons of liberally biased TV media. Can't the
> conservatives
> have their own channel?

The problem here is that Fox says it is a news channel, not an opinion channel. It also claims to be fair and balanced, which is false advertising. I don't think people would care as much if they just came out of the closet as a conservative talk network for TV instead of still pretending to be a credible straight news organization. They're not.

Hannity & Colmes are not even close to being equal. Hannity dominates the show and Colmes is left generally impotent, in part because he's willing to play by Hannity's rules.

> I'll tell you why conservatives are delighting in the
> follies of Air
> America--because liberals have been so loud and shrill in
> condemning
> Bush et al. Sure, conservatives did the same thing to
> Clinton, but the
> level of condemnation--bordering on utter hatred--is really
> high. I don't
> remember seeing conservatives leading protest marche, saying
> "Clinton
> is Hitler", or conservative talk hosts arguing that Ted
> Kennedy should
> be killed.

But you have apparently forgotten that Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster murdered, that Hillary & Bill engaged in a conspiracy to murder Ron Brown, that Hillary is a lesbian... Bill a rapist. Liberals are traitors who should be locked up for hating America. This stuff was all peddled on mainstream talk radio by the right wing. To ignore it wrecks your credibility.

> Liberals are getting their views out there. Just look at
> C-SPAN last Saturday
> and the peace rally, with "Impeach Bush" signs (nice way to
> butter up
> the guy, folks), LOUD and SHRILL speakers, nary an American
> flag in
> sight, sponsored by a group with ties to the Socialist
> Workers Party, etc.
> You tell 'em, Comrade!

Despite Fox's effort to find n' film the "hippies" as O'Reilly calls them, it turns out the rally was primarily attended by middle class folks, many of whom lost sons or daughters in Iraq. Waving an American flag around does not make you a patriot. Hitler had a lot of flags around him too. Wave the Constitution, demonstrate your patriotism by exercising your rights under the Bill of Rights to freedom of speech -- those are all true democratic values that makes America great, not a flag arms race. If Lee Greenwood sang at the rally, that would make it all okay? Dragging out the old "communist" label and suggesting that these people are a tiny minority when their views now represent the majority view in this country only hurts your own argument.

> Ann Coulter details this in "Slander".

Using an Ann Coulter book to bolster your argument throws the first shovel of dirt on your credibility grave. :)

> Liberals dominate the media in TV, newspapers, movies, and
> more.

This tired talking point is disproven just by looking at the media coverage under Clinton's second term - hardly a parade of joy as we delved into the CSI-like DNA exams of Monica's infamous dress. Now Bush's second term is seeing a media reawakened after the self-censorship they have done since 9/11. When Ari Fleisher does a press conference warning Americans about what they say, that's a chilling affect on the free speech platform.

Amazingly, some nutty conservatives are still claiming they are somehow locked out of the "liberal media," while saying it live on the Fox News Channel and Rush Limbaugh.

> But again, conservatives like Hannity are kind of
> doing the AAR-bashing as a reaction to the Bush-bashing.

Sean Hannity was doing his bashing well before anyone had a bad thing to say about Bush just after 9/11. You forget there are people out there who heard him on WABC. Your argument falls apart as soon as people look at the history.
 
Re: Maybe that's why it's so popular

> Maybe that's why it's so popular. A lot of people feel this
> way.

Hillary ran in NY with a bunch of people placing angry anti-Hillary bumper stickers on their cars - evil incarnate comes to NY. She won. She'll win again.

> > What Liberal talk show host advocated Bush being killed?
>
> Wasn't it Randi Rhodes?

No one advocated that Bush be killed.
 
> > LOL, Rush Limbaugh bases his arguments on facts and AAR
> > bases theirs on Lies? You can't be serious.
>
> Limbaugh's arguments are more fact-based than any AAR host
> most of the time. I didn't say he gets his facts right 100%
> of the time because he certainly doesn't.

That's utter nonsense. It's amazing when people actually go find the source material he often quotes from and reads the stuff for themselves and discover he's gotten it completely wrong. My favorite recent "fact" from Rush is that Clinton never put us into a surplus in this country. That and global warming never existed and still doesn't.

The Oxy cloud continues.
 
Re: Maybe that's why it's so popular

> > You never saw Rush's TV show, where Bill and Hillary were
> > portrayed in sickening characterizations. Conservative
> talk
> > radio (I am trying to stay on radio here) HATES Hillary
> with
> > a PASSION. Complete, unbridled HATRED.
>
> Maybe that's why it's so popular. A lot of people feel this
> way.
>
> > What Liberal talk show host advocated Bush being killed?
>
> Wasn't it Randi Rhodes?
>
> 73s from 954
>

No its not true 954, Randi Rhodes never said that about killing the president..the RW bloggers and others tried to paint it that way....

She did run a skit where people were cocking guns at bush for trying to change Social security......this was not about assasinating bush.

Unlike Bennett and many on the right, Randi didn't like the skit and TOOK RESPONSIBILITY for the skit's content and apologized....rw blogs took it on themselves to twist the Secret Service "no investigation" statement into a "Randi wants Bush dead" taffy pull....and here you are buying it once again.
 
> > I listened to Hugh Hewitt today, and he went on and on
> about
> > Air America losing their Philadelphia affiliate to "low
> > ratings"
>
> 1.) Why are you using scare quotes? Do you actually believe
> AAR's ratings aren't low?
>
> 2.) To answer your silly question, it's called
> schandenfreude.
>
> 3.) This doesn't belong on the Boston board. Why don't you
> take this over to the news/talk board where all the
> AARistians keep trying to convince everyone that water isn't
> actually wet and fire won't burn you?
>

What i find funny is that the conservatives/Rw always cry that the market takes csare of things..but there is a concerted effort on the right to crush AAR by decrying ratings, stirring up anything, and hopefully making something stick.

Conservative talk radio is 95% (estimate) of what is talk radio...Jones and AAR between them and the small patch of independent liberals probably don't have 200 stations...and yet the attack is on to eliminate that small chunk.....or at least smear and poison them at any cost. Conservative talk radio is winning right now....and Liberal Radio is finding a niche...what are they so worried about?

Do you find that strange at all?
 
Re: Why is Leftist Talk Radio Obsessed With Hating Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, et al?

> O'Reilly's obsession with Al Franken is enough to get Calvin
> Klein to sue him for patent infringement.

Right, I mean he even ripped off the name of his show from Franken. Oh, wait - it was the other way around. Never mind.
 
> wrong. My favorite recent "fact" from Rush is that Clinton
> never put us into a surplus in this country. That and
> global warming never existed and still doesn't.

It's always amusing to read what people think they heard on a particular show.
 
You've got serious problems

> Q. Why is Looney Left Talk Radio Obsessed With
> Hating Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, Ingraham,
> Bennett, Coulter, et al?
>
> A. They are AAR's Raison d Etre. (Excuse my French if
> spelling is wrong.) Without these guys, AAR would have
> no reason to exist.
>
> They've turned hate into an industry... See The I Hate Ann
> Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean
> Hannity. . . Reader and Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and
> The Oh Really? Factor. Even their titles spew hate.
>
> 73s from 954
>


ROTFL. The Premire Hate Monger of Radio-Info has spoken. Does 954 defend antismites? I wonder. His use of Michael Savage as being unworthy of hate from the left. Let's look at Michael Savage shall we?

Savage Anti-Semitism:
Radio host targets Jewish foes with ethnic derision

July 15, 2003

Radio host Michael Savage, whose MSNBC cable show was cancelled on July 7 after the host dubbed a caller "a sodomite" and told him to "get AIDS and die," has amassed a lavish record of on-air bigotry of many kinds: dismissing child victims of gunfire as "ghetto slime," referring to non-white countries as "turd world nations," calling homosexuality "perversion" and remarking that Latinos "breed like rabbits." (See FAIR Action Alert, 2/12/03; http://www.fair.org/activism/msnbc-savage.html .) Less well publicized is Savage's penchant for applying ugly ethnic stereotypes and slurs to Jews he perceives to be political enemies.

An article to be published in the August 2003 issue of FAIR's magazine Extra! documents numerous cases where Savage rails against the Jewishness of his political opponents:


Remarking that the "degenerate" Jerry Springer uses his "hooked nose" to make a living from talk shows.

Singling out progressives with Jewish-sounding names for mockery with an exaggerated New York accent; Savage even rails against an imaginary ACLU lawyer named "Mark Nobodyberg."

Routinely using Jewish ethnic references when criticizing Jewish public figures; Sen. Joe Lieberman is "throwing his bagel into the ring," Madeleine Albright was given a "Bat Mitzvah party" by North Korea, senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer are "yentas" and Dustin Hoffman talks like he has "matzah" in his mouth.

Contrasting George W. Bush's "high-powered WASPy lawyers" (12/10/03) with Al Gore's "curly-haired boys from NYU" (12/24/02): "I don't like little guys from NYU with big glasses.... You know what I'm saying?"
Savage himself was born into a Jewish family (and originally named Michael Weiner), but on-air and elsewhere, "his Jewish upbringing is strictly taboo," according to a Salon profile (3/5/03). Mark Potok, the editor of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Report, told Extra!, "Whatever is in his head, he clearly makes statements that are anti-Semitic.... Savage operates in a milieu where it pays to be provocative and where his messages can reach Christian nationalists and anti-Semites."


Any other hate monger you want to team up with 954?
 
Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, et al

> Q. Why is Looney Left Talk Radio Obsessed With
> Hating Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, Ingraham,
> Bennett, Coulter, et al?
>
> A. They are AAR's Raison d Etre. (Excuse my French if
> spelling is wrong.) Without these guys, AAR would have
> no reason to exist.
>
> They've turned hate into an industry... See The I Hate Ann
> Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean
> Hannity. . . Reader and Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and
> The Oh Really? Factor. Even their titles spew hate.
>
> 73s from 954
>

Thanks for the link 954. Perhaps you should have actually read what was writen on that page.

"The I Hate Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity Reader" has a title that bears on the hatred spewed by the radical right wing spokespersons evaluated. Those who object to the title should reflect on the words of those individuals analyzed. Their own words defy any claim to reason and decency as those who disagree with their viewpoints are savagely excoriated in the midst of diatribes bereft of reason.

A hilarious beginning point is Ann Coulter. With seething ferocity Coulter attacked Bill Clinton's morality and still vehemently believes that he should have been removed from office for his sexual indiscretions. When Coulter was cornered on the Geraldo Rivera Show for her lifestyle while living in Manhattan and dating successful pornographer Robert Guccione Jr. she replied, "I'm not married and I can sleep with as many people as I want!"

When Coulter was later cornered on the duplicity of calling for morality as someone purporting to an ideological kinship with Pat Robertson and Ralph Reed, she responded, "Well, if someone behaves like that they should at least feel guilty about it." So there we have it from philosopher Coulter. You can wear two hats by being a libertine and devout supporter of the religious right as long as you feel at least a trace of guilt for your sexual conduct.

Bill O'Reilly felt a towering moral outrage so great that he launched an on the air vendetta to pressure Pepsi Cola from hiring rapper Ludacris after he recorded an album entitled "Word of Mouf" that tremendously offended the talk show host. While self-styled moralist O'Reilly fervently attacked he ardently promoted a novel he wrote entitled "Those Who Trespass" and comparisons of the two works for offensive subject matter revealed interesting results.

O'Reilly surpassed Ludacris and his objectionable album in murders by a 6 to 4 count. Ludacris outpointed O'Reilly in the total sex scene category 68 to 39, but the Fox commentator had the edge 1 to 0 in his presentation of a "teen crack oral (BLEEP) scene" since Ludacris did not present any.

Perhaps O'Reilly should be asked if he sent any autographed copies of "Those Who Trespass" to Falwell, Robertson or Reed. Would the religious right consider holding a prayer vigil to bring O'Reilly back to rectitude following his novel and that sexual harassment suit he insisted he would fight, and was a lie, only to pay a settlement fee that the Washington Post estimated was "in the millions"?

As for Rush Limbaugh, not only was he a vigilant believer that global warning was a myth and a fraud, stacking his expertise as a loquacious talk show host and former male nurse as a Sacramento hospital alongside some 53 Nobel Prize scientists, he also led the fight against anyone who took drugs.

Limbaugh was a hard-liner with a take no prisoners attitude, no matter how small the quantity or circumstances of the individual. At one point he fulminated about shipping all drug users out of the country and at another believed that the solution to the problem was sending them to prison and throwing away the key. "Show no mercy" was the Limbaugh mantra.

The "show no mercy" rule was appropriately amended to include rich right wing talk show hosts who hungrily popped pills. While Sean Hannity called for "compassion" others focused on how much empathy was displayed by Limbaugh, not to mention the sheer hypocrisy of denouncing users when he was perhaps high at the time himself, or salivating for his next pill-popping opportunity.

While calling for compassion from others Limbaugh has been looking out for himself. While drug addicts are generally known to be penniless the affluent Limbaugh has hired expensive Miami criminal lawyer Roy Black to prevent federal authorities from prying into his medical records. But Rush, these are government authorities and, well, don't you support the Patriot Act?

These are only a few of the points covered in an entertaining volume. The interesting element is how little the critics have to say when they can quote the radical right as their leading spokespersons indict themselves.
 
Re: Maybe that's why it's so popular

> > > What Liberal talk show host advocated Bush being killed?
> > Wasn't it Randi Rhodes?
>
> No its not true 954, Randi Rhodes never said that about
> killing the president..the RW bloggers and others tried to
> paint it that way....
>
> She did run a skit where people were cocking guns at bush
> for trying to change Social security......this was not about
> assasinating bush.
>
> Unlike Bennett and many on the right, Randi didn't like the
> skit and TOOK RESPONSIBILITY for the skit's content and
> apologized....rw blogs took it on themselves to twist the
> Secret Service "no investigation" statement into a "Randi
> wants Bush dead" taffy pull....and here you are buying it
> once again.

In case you hadn't noticed, I put a question mark (?)
at the end of the sentence. I had read about it -- here, I
think -- but wasn't sure about the facts.

Thank you for the summary. But please notice that I said
"Wasn't it Randi Rhodes?" with a big question mark (?)
at the end of the sentence.

I'm not a blogger. And I don't know what a rw blog is.
(Read/write?)

73s from 954

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Re: Why is Leftist Talk Radio Obsessed With Hating Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, et al?

> Q. Why is Looney Left Talk Radio Obsessed With
> Hating Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, Ingraham,
> Bennett, Coulter, et al?
>
> A. They are AAR's Raison d Etre. (Excuse my French if
> spelling is wrong.) Without these guys, AAR would have
> no reason to exist.
>
> They've turned hate into an industry... See The I Hate Ann
> Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean
> Hannity. . . Reader and Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and
> The Oh Really? Factor. Even their titles spew hate.
>
> 73s from 954
>

Well, yeah. Without Rush and the many conservative hosts that followed, libtalk wouldn't exist. Political talk as a whole probably wouldn't exist. Talk radio would be all preachers, light news, and Social Security, and there wouldn't be a market for multiple stations in every market of substance.

It's not "hate". It's competition. It's making fun of their competitors for publicity and ratings. It occurs on both sides.
 
robert has serious stereotyping problems

> Contrasting George W. Bush's "high-powered WASPy lawyers"
> (12/10/03) with Al Gore's "curly-haired boys from NYU"
> (12/24/02): "I don't like little guys from NYU with big
> glasses.... You know what I'm saying?"
> Savage himself was born into a Jewish family (and originally
> named Michael Weiner), but on-air and elsewhere, "his Jewish
> upbringing is strictly taboo," according to a Salon profile
> (3/5/03).

Once again, Salon, mouthpiece for the extreme left
is wrong. I wouldn't exactly call them fair and balanced
on anything!

Last year I enjoyed a segment of Savage in which
he explained -- at length -- the Jewish dietary
laws. Doesn't sound like he's hiding anything.

This reminds me of a Clarence Thomas situation. A black
or Jew who doesn't behave as he is expected (very liberal)
is a target of derision from the liberals (but especially
from the liberals among his people) as a traitor.

Are you aware that Salem's Michael Medved and Dennis Prager
are also Jewish? Now that you know, will you attack them for
being conservative, too?

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Steve & Al Franken

> O'Reilly's obsession with Al Franken is enough to get Calvin
> Klein to sue him for patent infringement.

Got that backwards.

Franken named his book after Limbaugh and his
radio program after O'Reilly, just to get
their goats -- and make money capitalizing
on their names.

I understand that Al Franken stole his name, too.

His real name was Sygfried Unterschweeper, but he
was watching Dobie Gillis reruns and decided to steal
the name of the good-looking actor playing the
Chatsworth Osborne III character ... Steve Franken.

Unfortunately, Al could never be as funny or attractive
as Steve.

Now you know the rest of the story.

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