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Will HD Radio survive 2013?
- Thread starter jeffdfw
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Personally, I've had my car HD radio set to 'Analog Only' for some time now.
This is in response to (1) a lack of any substantial, original, interesting or otherwise viable programming on HD-2 and (2) more directly in response to KLUV's HD-1 sounding horrendously worse with digital artifact than KLUV's HD-2, and therefore not nearly as good as KLUV-FM (the main channel). A problem which was much belabored on these boards and which found no resolution in that time. I've been told that other major market station have this same problem, including CBS New York.
Perhaps they've fixed it - but I won't go back.
Hey... I guess I am just plain "brand loyal" to analog FM
This is in response to (1) a lack of any substantial, original, interesting or otherwise viable programming on HD-2 and (2) more directly in response to KLUV's HD-1 sounding horrendously worse with digital artifact than KLUV's HD-2, and therefore not nearly as good as KLUV-FM (the main channel). A problem which was much belabored on these boards and which found no resolution in that time. I've been told that other major market station have this same problem, including CBS New York.
Perhaps they've fixed it - but I won't go back.
Hey... I guess I am just plain "brand loyal" to analog FM
HD Radio? What's that? Do you mean satellite radio? 
Seriously, HD Radio is a failure. Stores that sell HD radios usually bury them in the back. Many stations are simply turning off their HD signals, calling it a loss.
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Seriously, HD Radio is a failure. Stores that sell HD radios usually bury them in the back. Many stations are simply turning off their HD signals, calling it a loss.
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It will survive, but not because it makes any money, It looses money.
Most large radio companies got in to contracts with ibiquity to carry the HD programing and at this point they need to cary it.
I have heard of smaller operators not replacing broken HD gear and giving up on it, and as soon as the contracts are up and equipment ages out i could see the larger operators following suit.
That said I think that some day radio land will have to migrate to some type of digital standard the way TV has done, but its clear from this "Hybrid Digital" experiment that it will need to be an FCC mandated move. Who knows they could still push forward with this standard and mandate all new FM radio be HD, but I doubt it.
Most large radio companies got in to contracts with ibiquity to carry the HD programing and at this point they need to cary it.
I have heard of smaller operators not replacing broken HD gear and giving up on it, and as soon as the contracts are up and equipment ages out i could see the larger operators following suit.
That said I think that some day radio land will have to migrate to some type of digital standard the way TV has done, but its clear from this "Hybrid Digital" experiment that it will need to be an FCC mandated move. Who knows they could still push forward with this standard and mandate all new FM radio be HD, but I doubt it.
After an aggravating beginning with HD in my new car I am now fairly satisfied and, in fact, listen mostly to two HD-2's. They are both "classic hits" type streams which differ a bit from the main analog signals with virtually no commercials or other interruptions.
I did a bunch of driving around my market this past week (about 500 miles worth) and found only two spots where the HD signal dropped out and the analog signal took over.
I did a bunch of driving around my market this past week (about 500 miles worth) and found only two spots where the HD signal dropped out and the analog signal took over.
I hope it sticks around because God knows the Ticket will never improve their signal and this is the only way I can pick it up in the office.
Who Cares if HD Radio survives ? ? ? ?
I gave it a shot at home and in the car.
I'm still waiting for WRR to get around to adding song information to their HD signal. And, for WRR to add an additional HD channel, so I can hear something --- besides Classics' Greatest Hits. :-[
Oppourtunites Missed.
So, to H with HD Radio. :-\
My next car radio will Not have HD Radio, it will have Bluetooth, to receive streams from my android smart phone.
I gave it a shot at home and in the car.
I'm still waiting for WRR to get around to adding song information to their HD signal. And, for WRR to add an additional HD channel, so I can hear something --- besides Classics' Greatest Hits. :-[
Oppourtunites Missed.
So, to H with HD Radio. :-\
My next car radio will Not have HD Radio, it will have Bluetooth, to receive streams from my android smart phone.
I'm OK with the HD Radio selections I got. Well, although the quality on "The Music Summit" (AAA) 92.5 HD2 and "The Oasis" (Smooth Jazz) 107.5 HD2 kinda deteriorated a little. Otherwise, I don't see it leaving the market anytime soon. KSCS barely restored their main HD signal as well.
It's a total failure. The HD2 stations listed above can be heard online or various phone apps. There is no reason to waste money on an HD radio.
HD radio = AM stereo = the Cue Cat.
HD radio was rushed out too quick by a greedy company who promised way too much. (CD Quality on FM! FM Quality on AM! No Static!)
The equipment and Ibiquity's fees were too costly for many small and medium market stations to convert. Only one FM station in the Tyler/Longview market added HD (KLJT 102.3). And except for a few good component tuners and aftermarket car stereos, most of the home radios I checked out were cheap junk.
The equipment and Ibiquity's fees were too costly for many small and medium market stations to convert. Only one FM station in the Tyler/Longview market added HD (KLJT 102.3). And except for a few good component tuners and aftermarket car stereos, most of the home radios I checked out were cheap junk.
bradgoehl said:
Does that mean that we have to give up FM in the way that we gave up broadcast standard def TV? The problem with that is that FM standard def reaches much further than it's digital counterpart. The same is true with TV but they were able to get around that by offering local TV free across cable packages. It seems that we would have to keep standard def radio and require that all devices receive both spectrums from here on out.
HD or "digital radio" works in Europe BTW. What are they doing thats so genius?
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One of the big problems with HD Radio is the way the receivers function with regard to tuning in an HD station. I thought this was specific to my radio, but new instructions on KLIF suggest that my radio's tuning function is the standard.
The promo says something like to get KLIF on FM, go to I-93 and then select HD-2.
This is consistent with the way my receiver functions, no ability to directly tune between each HD station, must go to the FM/HD-1 and then select HD-2 or HD-3 via SEEK function. The ergonomics of this make just tuning into an HD sub channel absurdly difficult.
To get HD-2 and HD-3 to appear to the user as just another station, equivalent to FM, receivers must provide "tuning - seeking - band storage" specific to HD-2 & HD - 3. I anticipate that someone will say the 7 second acquisition time for HD only is prohibitive to this approach, but here's what needs to happen:
FOR PRESETS: Have one set of FM/HD-1 ONLY presets, call it FM-1
FOR TUNING: Have one set of HD-2 ONLY present, call it HD-2
Have one set of HD-3 ONLY presents, call it HD-3
Using this scheme will MAKE HD-2 & HD-3 appear equivalent to AM & FM by creating separate storage "bands" on the receiver. And this will prevent the ergonomic difficulty of getting there and the user sense that HD channels are subordinate to, and therefore less valuable then FM or AM.
The promo says something like to get KLIF on FM, go to I-93 and then select HD-2.
This is consistent with the way my receiver functions, no ability to directly tune between each HD station, must go to the FM/HD-1 and then select HD-2 or HD-3 via SEEK function. The ergonomics of this make just tuning into an HD sub channel absurdly difficult.
To get HD-2 and HD-3 to appear to the user as just another station, equivalent to FM, receivers must provide "tuning - seeking - band storage" specific to HD-2 & HD - 3. I anticipate that someone will say the 7 second acquisition time for HD only is prohibitive to this approach, but here's what needs to happen:
FOR PRESETS: Have one set of FM/HD-1 ONLY presets, call it FM-1
FOR TUNING: Have one set of HD-2 ONLY present, call it HD-2
Have one set of HD-3 ONLY presents, call it HD-3
Using this scheme will MAKE HD-2 & HD-3 appear equivalent to AM & FM by creating separate storage "bands" on the receiver. And this will prevent the ergonomic difficulty of getting there and the user sense that HD channels are subordinate to, and therefore less valuable then FM or AM.
JRZFM100 said:
Yes, that is a pain in the arse!!
However, with the Radio Shack Accurian talbeltop, it does have the smarts to allow you to tune an HD-2 or HD-2 station.
There is, of course, the delay in the HD signal coming on, just like there is when you select any HD station.... you get the regular station first, then the HD station. But with the Accurian, you get silence until the HD 1, 2, 03 3 comes on, which is, nicer than the other way, my JVC car deck works.
As to presets, yes, some AM singals are available on some HD-2 channels.
But what gripes me is most car radio mfg's prejudice for 18 FM and only 12 AM presets. I would prefer to have 18 AM presets, and 12 FM presets. FM is mostly music and sports. Whereas AM is music and talk and sports, and so, I need more ***** AM presets. Not to mention daytime only AM stations, and night AM stations.
But, I'm not gonna pay $200 - $300 just for more AM presets. No way. Give me hwat I want at the low end, and take womtheing else away.... like HD ! ! I can live with that !!!!!
IBOC isn't going bye bye anytime soon especially now that the big boys are using it to feed translators to create small analog FMs in many markets.
radiokmac said:
From a technical standpoint, it works a little better than HD Radio. From a marketing standpoint, DAB is every bit the disaster HD Radio is. Outside of the UK, it's not selling, and it has every bit the coverage problems digital radio and TV have here. One of the things that killed it in Canada was the need to have five transmission pods to just cover Toronto proper. Even then, digital stations still failed to cover the entire city, let alone the existing coverage area.
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