Will Pulse 87 make it past Oct 30th?

[d21ofnj]

Funny how they forgot about KNHC and WDRE. They are on the air for over a decade amd still strong....but they don't count, no.....bad D21ofNJ

 

[d21ofnj]

You know, as much as you have posted some "hate" stuff in the past MarcR, I will answer this, since at the very least this is coming off as logic instead of a typical David Eduardo "snark" that he's been throwing on me as of late (people have warned me on the sidelines and I'm taking everything into advisement here).

Well, this is not the only place where Mr. 50 Years got smart remarks, let's not forget about the bashing of dance in the LA, Chicago, San Francisco boards, AND the bashing of the "Party 105.3" in Houston.

There HAVE been successes when you consider Energy 92.7 (San Francisco) and the Energy 92.7/101.1 in Phoenix.  Both stations have lasted for a good amount of time. In both cases, the stations were sold.  Had it NOT been the case, both stations would have still kept going.  The same thing with Pulse (which still IS going)....in their case it's just financial matters with the company that actually date as far back to 2004 (BEFORE there was a "Pulse").  Party 93.1 (Miami) did strong at the beginning too.

More than that, believe it or not, there were MORE dance outlets back in the day that got their success.  Let's start with Energy 92.7&5 in Chicago, 99.3/105.5 The Buzz & Hot 106.3 Atlantic City, NJ, 95.3 Party Orlando, Q96.9 Toledo, OH, Mega 99.3 Austin, TX, 92.7 Party SF, (pre-energy 92.7), oh and we also forgot about KVBE, 94.5 The Vibe Las Vegas.......DanceFactory....(I don't care what you have to say, David.  Dance music on those frequencies are STILL BEING PLAYED.....let me translate....TODAVIA JUGAR EN EL AIRE)......Groove 103.1 LA......ENERGY 96.5 HOUSTON, TX ring a bell?  You want me to continue? 

Now, the one thing that is flawed on David's thinking is that he is going under "traditional" radio mores here.  That a 1.0 is bad regardless.  If Pulse was on a station above 92 with a strong signal, then I would have to agree with him on that.  But considering the anamolies (for the 252,634,196th time saying this regarding dial location and poor signal), a 1.0 for this is GOOD!

You know it's kinda hypocritical, that La Kalle's numbers were down the toilet and a certain someone said it was the signal.  It is also hypocritical that Que Bueno is BELOW a 1.0 but that's ok because a certain individual said "they are serving their community"

You also have to factor in New York City.   This IS a rhythmic town for the most part whether it is rhythmic/R&B/hip-hop/Spanish and yes, dance.  For some other markets, dance won't necessarily work, but for New York City a dance format is actually a "necessity" here...the same way that rock stations rule the roast in Boston, country stations rule Nashville, etc.

Remember how Hip-Hop/R&B ruled Atlanta?  Now look who got a "KTU" sound on their 105.7 frequency?

Let's also add the fact that "corporate" RUINED terrestrial radio with its overpurchasing of stations based on the Telecommunications Act of 1996.  At least prior to that, you had many "mom and pop" style stations doing various formats.  Emmis was still a VERY young company with few radio holdings when Hot 103 launched.  So back then, the competition was more fierce because you had 20 or more companies doing different things.  But now with one company owning 5 FM stations, of course each of them are going to sound "cookie cutter".   The "competition" factor has been reduced and the safety issues come in.

Well, this is something that "candykid jade" member touches, but in all honesty, there is no more live and local feel or unique branding anymore.  Everything is often duplicated and claim they are being imitated. 

That's why with the few dance stations we have had and still had, they are "mom and pop".  I honestly don't think corporate has the SLIGHTEST idea about dance music.....instead figuring it must be "gay" music or that "guido" crap without really researching the entire scheme of things.  And for what they MAY know about dance, it's going to sound like a 'KTU....to which NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT if you are in that type of demo that appreciates known and "safe".  But the dance music fan in NYC knows better.  They want the "edge".

It's all stereotype, and this goes way back to the "Disco Sucks Campaign."  It didn't help in the 90's when ravers would get busted operating underground parties in abandoned warehouses and the distribution of "E".  Once the raves broke out to the media, their concern was "that is what dance music is, people that carry water bottles and E, wear glowsticks and beads, wear baggy pants or something colorful."  IMHO, I believe that's what caused dance music to have a bad reputation thanks to the mainstream media.  Can you honestly blame these DJ's for doing what they did?  It was all about the passion and the respect for what they truly love, not some juvenile deliquents tresspassing and causing riots like how the media put those raves.  Venues didn't want to book raves because of what the mainstream labeled them, so they either go to people they know who own a venue or made their own venue.  But rave, happy hardcore, hard house,techno is just a PIECE of the dance music scene, just like how grudge, garage, and metal is a piece of the rock scene.  Pulse did what they did best, and they gave US what we love, honor, and respect till this day, and there is NO ONE that can take that respect away from US.  At least THOSE stations still keep me a fan of FM radio. 


And if this post shall get deleted, I apologize for saying the truth. 

 

[d21ofnj]

What he means is that, since your side cannot point to a *single* successful current-dance formatted station anywhere in North America, how can you expect to persuade a radio conglomerate to give the format a shot in NYC.

I give you KNHC, WDRE, KVBE.......pick one

 

[nd2023]

I have to agree with d21, dance fans are the best folks I can meet in a club. I've been to very few hip hop clubs and this past summer, I have been to nightclubs almost every week. Not once was I offered MDMA and I have never seen its usage. Nor have I seen anyone get into fights. Since most of the clubs I've been to were promoted on Pulse 87 or had Pulse DJs spinning, I noticed that a lot of dance music was played and the people who went knew the music. I had been to only one or two clubs where hip hop was the main style of music, and I must say that I didn't have such a good experience. The dance crowd seemed much more mature than the hip hop crowd.
Dance artists need the radio promotion. Sure, getting mixed by DJs who spin your music is good promotion, and so is performing live. But people won't know what songs are playing since no one announces song names and most people won't know any new music, and it's also hard to remember song titles when you're drunk. Pulse 87 announced all of its new music and they have a website that shows all the songs they're playing. Do you think a million people in New York City would have heard about AnnaGrace or any of the other artists that only Pulse 87 plays? Would 600,000 people in New York City have told their friends about the awesome song by the struggling artist Lady Gaga last summer when Pulse 87 played her music first? Would Kim Sozzi be as successful as she is without Channel 6 playing her songs? Those artists are grateful for Pulse 87 giving them exposure in the nation's largest city when no one else would give them a chance.

 

[davideduardo]

And David, if you want to really HUSH me regarding dance music, pray for my death.

My point has always been about the radio format, not about you personally. While I believe there is ample evidence that, even on a major signal, dance is not a format that is happening or will ever happen in the US, I have an amount of admiration for your tenacity against such seemingly formidable odds. You are most certainly able to continue your campaign or crusade. I just happen to think it is a colossal waste of time, as well as time that could be expended building an alternative web-based dance model.

 

[davideduardo]

Well, this is not the only place where Mr. 50 Years got smart remarks, let's not forget about the bashing of dance in the LA, Chicago, San Francisco boards, AND the bashing of the "Party 105.3" in Houston.

Stating what is reality is hardly "bashing."

And Party was an Hispanic focused Hip Hop station, not a dance station. And it belonged to the entity I work with... so my comments are likely more real than "bashing."

More than that, believe it or not, there were MORE dance outlets back in the day that got their success. Let's start with Energy 92.7&5 in Chicago,

Never made a cent.

let me translate....TODAVIA JUGAR EN EL AIRE)

"Jugar" means "to game" and has nothing to do with reproducing recorded music.

......Groove 103.1 LA

Another losing station... as were essentially all the ones you mentioned.

You know it's kinda hypocritical, that La Kalle's numbers were down the toilet and a certain someone said it was the signal.

If it were not the signal, then why was 96.3 purchased and the 105.9 signal, and format, eliminated?

It is also hypocritical that Que Bueno is BELOW a 1.0 but that's ok because a certain individual said "they are serving their community"

That's the station's PPM potential, as it has a horrible signal... fortunately, it does cover an area with a considerable Mexican population, and it is successful in that area. You can't compare a purposely niched and limited cume format (Spanish dominant persons from Mexico are the only potential listeners) with a general market format.

 

[TonySantiago]

And David, if you want to really HUSH me regarding dance music, pray for my death.

My point has always been about the radio format, not about you personally. While I believe there is ample evidence that, even on a major signal, dance is not a format that is happening or will ever happen in the US, I have an amount of admiration for your tenacity against such seemingly formidable odds. You are most certainly able to continue your campaign or crusade. I just happen to think it is a colossal waste of time, as well as time that could be expended building an alternative web-based dance model.

I actually do have a dance music show Mondays at 7PM (Eastern) on Urban Latino Radio (http://www.urbanlatinoradio.fm/) and in that part, that is what I'm trying to do to further our music.

To a certain extent, it may be a "waste" per se if terrestrial FM radio is "shot" since most people in the younger demos went over to the digital media players and smartphones. But regardless of that there still is something to be said about terrestrial radio. People STILL tune in to find out the latest music. And just as it is for CHR, Spanish, Hip-Hop/R&B, I want that for dance music as well and we do have a large enough and vocal crowd out there that wants it. I'm fighting for them because prior to the coalition, there was NEVER any unity in our music and the best way we can go about things is to push hard, but be proactive and positive and NOT fight a negative battle here.

I know the Internet is the future and once the streaming car stereos happen....look out! And believe me, I'd love to be a part of it but right now you have TOO MANY dance music streams going on fighting for a small piece of the pie. For me it is just best to go about things as I have been, pushing support and for the positive.

I do agree with you on this David, this IS an uphill battle. It's tough and I'll be the first to say that. But I do believe in dance music and will do whatever it takes to see to it that it gets the same respect in this country as other contemporary music formats.

Thank you,

 

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[d21ofnj]

It is also hypocritical that Que Bueno is BELOW a 1.0 but that's ok because a certain individual said "they are serving their community"

That's the station's PPM potential, as it has a horrible signal... fortunately, it does cover an area with a considerable Mexican population, and it is successful in that area. You can't compare a purposely niched and limited cume format (Spanish dominant persons from Mexico are the only potential listeners) with a general market format.

If 92.7's signal was so horrible, why did you purchase it? Why you couldn't let 92.7 simulcast Party 105? Now as you speak about "Que Bueno" being niched and limited cume, then what about Pulse? I'm sure Que Bueno is different and do what they do best, but if THEY can serve their community, why pulse CAN'T? It's ok for Que Bueno to have a bad signal, but it's a crime and an embarassment for Pulse to say they have a limited signal, and not to mention half the radios out there don't go below 87.9. You talk about ads and revenue, well, local advertising counts too, how do you think Party 105 gets their bills paid?

 

[lalumia]

this goes way back to the "Disco Sucks Campaign

disco Sucks was not a campaign, it was a movement, like the civil rights movement,and it served it's purpose; making ME into a sub cult, underground punk rock legend...
shame about the platform shoes and your disco balls....

 

[d21ofnj]

this goes way back to the "Disco Sucks Campaign

disco Sucks was not a campaign, it was a movement, like the civil rights movement,and it served it's purpose; making ME into a sub cult, underground punk rock legend...
shame about the platform shoes and your disco balls....

Movement, campaign, same thing, you got your points across back then, and we have our rights to get our points across fighting for OUR purpose. And even when we get our dance station, are you still gonna resurrect the campaign that died nearly 35 years ago when your format isn't doing so hot? Maybe Steve Dahl will come to WRXP and blow up David Guetta, Cascada, AnnaGrace, or Kim Sozzi albums all over Citi Field if there's a dance format on 101.9.

 

[musik187]

Well I will say just this... next week's HOT 100 chart in Billboard shows something very interesting, David Guetta (Sexy Chick) has moved up to number 21! And Cascada's Evacuate The Dancefloor has moved further up to number 31! I'm not trying to imply this means anything one way or another, but it's great to see that pure dance songs are in the Top 40 singles in the country and still going up. I can't remember the last time I saw even this sort of progress on the HOT 100, it's been a long time. Food for thought, that's all

 

[MarcR]

this goes way back to the "Disco Sucks Campaign

disco Sucks was not a campaign, it was a movement, like the civil rights movement,and it served it's purpose; making ME into a sub cult, underground punk rock legend...
shame about the platform shoes and your disco balls....

The "Disco Sucks" campaign/movement/whatever was fuelled by racism and homophobia and wasn't strictly an aesthetic critique of disco music.

 

[GeorgeJ.]

I tried tuning them in from Newark Airport and from my hotel across from the airport last Wednesday and got nothing but static...

They appeared to be dark at that time...

Signal was usually weak in that area, but last week, Pulse was nowhere to be found..if they were actually on-air, it must have been at much less than normal power...there was not even a weak signal to be heard..nothing.

Well, considering that Newark has two pirates, one spanish language on 87.7 which I do not know why it's on that frequency and broadcasting dead air, and another on 87.9 which is "Compact FM", you're bound not to hear Pulse.

87.7 had no carrier on it, so it wasn't a problem with someone knocking Pulse 87 out..it just wasn't there. Just the typical FM white noise...

 

[nd2023]

I tried tuning them in from Newark Airport and from my hotel across from the airport last Wednesday and got nothing but static...

They appeared to be dark at that time...

Signal was usually weak in that area, but last week, Pulse was nowhere to be found..if they were actually on-air, it must have been at much less than normal power...there was not even a weak signal to be heard..nothing.

Well, considering that Newark has two pirates, one spanish language on 87.7 which I do not know why it's on that frequency and broadcasting dead air, and another on 87.9 which is "Compact FM", you're bound not to hear Pulse.

87.7 had no carrier on it, so it wasn't a problem with someone knocking Pulse 87 out..it just wasn't there. Just the typical FM white noise...

As I speak my radio is tuned to 87.7 and I'm enjoying Pulse 87 over the air.

 

[hubcity]

this goes way back to the "Disco Sucks Campaign

disco Sucks was not a campaign, it was a movement, like the civil rights movement,and it served it's purpose; making ME into a sub cult, underground punk rock legend...
shame about the platform shoes and your disco balls....

Movement, campaign, same thing, you got your points across back then, and we have our rights to get our points across fighting for OUR purpose. And even when we get our dance station, are you still gonna resurrect the campaign that died nearly 35 years ago when your format isn't doing so hot? Maybe Steve Dahl will come to WRXP and blow up David Guetta, Cascada, AnnaGrace, or Kim Sozzi albums all over Citi Field if there's a dance format on 101.9.

Unlikely. RXP seems to be embracing new wave, which in turn embraced disco (see for reference Blondie's "Heart Of Glass" and "Rapture", and quite a lot of Talking Heads' output.) The commentary on Talking Heads' "Stop Making Sense" DVD is worth listening to - one insight was, given that they put out dance records at the height of the "Disco Sucks" movement, they really didn't understand why anyone should think disco sucked.

(Cascada does a cover of "Because The Night" that makes my Springsteen fan friends' heads explode...of course, I like Frankie Goes To Hollywood's version of "Born To Run", and I say that as a person who was on the stadium floor watching Springsteen at Giants Stadium on October 9...so, um, yeah.)

Honestly, it's those Skynyrd fans ya gotta worry about.

 

[TonySantiago]

this goes way back to the "Disco Sucks Campaign

disco Sucks was not a campaign, it was a movement, like the civil rights movement,and it served it's purpose; making ME into a sub cult, underground punk rock legend...
shame about the platform shoes and your disco balls....

The "Disco Sucks" campaign/movement/whatever was fuelled by racism and homophobia and wasn't strictly an aesthetic critique of disco music.

MarcR......YOU NAILED IT!

Granted, I was 12 when the sounds of disco really took off, but the population that the music attracted most were the blacks, Latino and gays...though in cities like New York, Italians embraced the disco sounds as well.

But it was those from the rock fan base, predominantly white male suburban/country and conservative, angry at guys such as Rod Stewart, Rolling Stones, Queen for coming out with "discoey" rock songs whereas a hatred had developed. Though that hatred was really about the rapid liberal changes of the country (post Vietnam) occurring during the 70's and disco was the "scapegoat" of that.

So no, it wasn't an anger about "disco" per se, but about the conservative base venting against the changes of the country as a whole during that time. Sad part of it, the majority of the country never got "over it" and that's what killed things. And Jimi....I gotta use you here on this to a certain extent, but there still is that angst around people his age towards dance music...and the majority of the people around Jimi's age are the CEO's and high ranking managements of radio corporations and consultant firms.

Our campaign wants for this music to be recognized as it should be, a fun, free, positive, energetic sound that has NO regards to race, religion, creed, gender, sex, sexual preference....just as a dance floor is and that people can enjoy it for the sounds and the vocals. We just want our respect alongside the other contemporary genres of music in this country. Sounds like a lot to ask, but not really. And if we have to fight to get that respect back, so be it

 

[lalumia]

whatever...
and as to pure dance records?
Sexy Chick is selling based on Akon's vocal, and he's r&b/hip hop
Evacuate TheDance Floor abandons the Cascada sound/style and embraces the pop stance sounds of Lady Gaga, it's basically a GaGa sound a like rip off that works...
pure dance..hardly
records that people dance to? for sure

 

[MickeyD]

All I can say is that we're ready to do whatever we can to work on getting another dance station on the NY radio dial should this come to fruition.

I'll just leave it at that.

I like it and listen to it on the Jersey shore but if I were the lessees of Pulse 87, I would be in serious negotiations with the owners or Island Broadcasting for a sunstantial reduction in the cost of their lease. Here is why, during the digital transition most stations, the smart ones, moved off of the VHF band because of the atmospherics on this band do to tropo (ducting). With digital it will wipe the signal out and you won't know why until it clears.

Well not WPVI, it is still operating on Channel 6 with about 8KW and not too many people can see it over-the-air. This has happened to all of the stations that remained on the lower VHF bands for some reason, ANYWAY, the station has applied for a construction permit to increase the power to 30KW which will have an impact WNYZ's signal.

Since WNYZ is an LP station, is is classified by the FCC as a "Secondary Stations" which means, WNYZ has to tolerate any interference that WPVI throws their way. Check out the map (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DS1318650.html )

I would like to know where they got the $500,000 price tag to lease that? I think a renegotiation may be in order here. What will the signal be worth when WPVI's 30 thousand watt hash generator (digital transmitter) is turned on?

 

[musik187]

whatever...
and as to pure dance records?
Sexy Chick is selling based on Akon's vocal, and he's r&b/hip hop
Evacuate TheDance Floor abandons the Cascada sound/style and embraces the pop stance sounds of Lady Gaga, it's basically a GaGa sound a like rip off that works...
pure dance..hardly
records that people dance to? for sure

whoa! simma down over there lalumia, lol... it was just something I observed, afterall they are dance artists and the fact that they might have tweaked their sounds a bit to get more mainstream recognition is irrevelant...at the end of the day, it worked... Sexy Chick might have Akon on the vocals but the song is in NO way a hip-hop song and Cascada's song might have the Lady Gaga Sound but let's not forget in NYC Pulse 87 was the first station to play Lady Gaga ...I'm sure you'll have a retort even to this, but why fight it? these are facts, that's all...