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WKNR's nighttime signal range

I built the WKNR 850 transmitter site in 1998-99, so I know quite a bit about it. In fact I am still the contract engineer there. WKNR feeds 52,500 watts into the daytime antenna common point, and 5,400 watts into the nighttime antenna common point. The day power is officially listed as 50kw days and 4.7kw nights on the FCC licenses. The reason for 4.7kw nights is due to the design of the antenna system and meeting certain criteria for the night pattern.

If you check Radio-Locator, you can see the approximate coverage and the way the pattern looks. You can see in much greater detail the shape of the patterns by logging on to the FCC.gov site and doing an AMquery to call up the licenses on file at the FCC.

WKNR uses a Harris DX50 for days and a DX10 for nights. 4 towers are used in the day pattern, and 4 used for the night pattern. The two most westerly towers are in common for both patterns.

The original nighttime 5kw pattern was designed in the mid 40's when WJW moved from Akron to Cleveland. A very deep "twin null" had to be designed to protect the 750 mile protected contour of KOA in Denver. If any more than 5kw had been proposed, at least 6 towers and possibly 9 towers would have been needed to contain the signal, and almost all of that power would have had to be sent north, so anything much over 5kw would have been a waste. Take a look at the 850 in Johnstown, PA as an example of needing 9 towers to contain 10kw at night.

The night pattern as it exists would not be possible to build as a new signal today due to changes in the AM rules over the years, and since the night signal is grandfathered, we could not have made any changes to the night signal when we rebuilt it in 1998-99 due to calculated overlap situations, and stay at 5kw.

On another note, the original power increase to 10kw days, done in the late 1950's, technically could have been taken to 50kw then. However the station was owned by George B. Storer, and he already owned WSPD in Toledo on 1370, and WJBK in Detroit on 1500. There would have been no signal overlap technically, but the old FCC duopoly rules in the 1950's prevented common ownership of any AM stations that had a 1 mv/m signal overlap. WSPD's 5kw non directional day signal could not overlap WJW's 10kw directional day signal, even though the frequencies were vastly different.

So, there for all of you is a bit of history about the 850AM signal in Cleveland.

Ted Alexander
 
I'm glad the daytime signal "booms" into Columbus during the daytime as I enjoy listening to a couple
of the shows on the station here in Columbus.

A long time CE and FCC Consultant has this to say about your post on the WKNR tower site you built.

"Very unusual to see the allowance for directional antenna systems losses to be more than 8% at this power level. The duopoly contour now is 5 mV/m when only radio is involved, and 2 mV/m when there are TV stations in the ownership mix. "
 
Ted, I alluded to this in an earlier post, but can you shed any light on the attempts to improve nighttime coverage of the metro by moving the towers south into Medina county? BTW, driving back from Sandusky this past weekend I tried to listen to the OSU game. Could not pick up WKNR at all in Sheffield or Avon. Had to brave the static on WEOL until I got to around the Westlake-Rocky River border.
 
And now another wrinkle... WKGE Johnstown, which is currently silent, is now on the block for a reported $250k. Might GK do the old WOWO maneuver, buy WKGE, re engineer its signal, and sell it. Both WKNR's day and night patterns have significant nulls towards Johnstown which could be eliminated at the expense of WKGE.
 
SonoSational18 said:
And now another wrinkle... WKGE Johnstown, which is currently silent, is now on the block for a reported $250k. Might GK do the old WOWO maneuver, buy WKGE, re engineer its signal, and sell it. Both WKNR's day and night patterns have significant nulls towards Johnstown which could be eliminated at the expense of WKGE.

If WKGE were the only obstacle in that direction, it might be worth it - but you've also got 830 in Cortland and 860 in Pittsburgh out that way to contend with, so just eliminating Johnstown might not provide as much relief as one might think. (Or so the experts tell me...)
 
When we were looking to raise the daytime power of WRMR, we also looked at over a dozen locations somewhat south of the present location, with the thought in mind of allowing the night signal to "spread out" over more land area. We would have no problem with the day signal from a more southerly location either. One by one, the proposed locations all proved unusable, for unique reasons....land not for sale, zoning, not enough acreage, etc. We investigated different tower layouts too. Nothing within reasonable accomodation (price, location, zoning, RF engineering, etc.) would have worked.

Regarding the 850 allocation in Johnstown, the 860 allocation in Pittsburgh most affects the allowable WKNR day and night signal towards the southeast. The 830 in Cortland isn't much of a factor. Plus, there is an 850 in Norfolk, plus Boston, Raleigh, and the well known others that literally block any expansion of the existing WKNR night signal anywhere to the east. In fact, if we had proposed any changes, due to the FCC "ratchet clause" we would have had to reduce the overlap to all existing stations near Cleveland on 840, 850 and 860 by 10%. The original WJW was built under the rules present since the 1940's. In fact, because of WHAS's 1A status on 840, and its nighttime protected area, under today's rules, the 850 in Cleveland probably could not be built, if it didn't exist already. Even if we would have been able to increase night power by utilizing a more complicated nighttime antenna system, the only place to put the power was to the north, and even then, the restrictions toward Canada would have limited what could be sent that way.

Ted Alexander
 
Today, I couldn't hear WKNR at all until 9:00am in Lorain. Yesterday, they were on day power before 8am. Were they off for maintenance early this morning or was it just late hitting the switch to day?
 
@Ted...Storer also also owned legendary WIBG AM/FM in Philadelphia and TV 12 in Wilmington DE. WIBBAGE Radio 99 was a Rock 'n' Roll legend, among the 1st to be fulltime Rock formatted.

As a side note...I live near Somers Point, NJ, south of Atlantic City, north of Cape May. Last night during the peak hours of this bastard storm, we sat in the howling winds by candlelight looking for news. With no noise from electronics, AM was wonderful again, like when I was a kid. With my GE Superradio III, I couldn't get KYW 1060 because of Carribean skywave and iBuzz hash, BUT I could get WTAM crystal clear...with other callers from NJ!

Yeah, radio can still be fun.
 
Buckeyes2001 said:
Today, I couldn't hear WKNR at all until 9:00am in Lorain. Yesterday, they were on day power before 8am. Were they off for maintenance early this morning or was it just late hitting the switch to day?

Even without skywave interference you couldn't hear them? Wow, that is one impressive null.
 
schmave said:
Buckeyes2001 said:
Today, I couldn't hear WKNR at all until 9:00am in Lorain. Yesterday, they were on day power before 8am. Were they off for maintenance early this morning or was it just late hitting the switch to day?

Even without skywave interference you couldn't hear them? Wow, that is one impressive null.

I was sitting in a driveway and getting a weak station playing oldies music on 850 on car radio then suddenly WKNR came blasting in. They must have just switched to day or switched back on from being off air for some reason. It was right at 9:00am when they did.
 
Surprised you couldn't get KYW in Somers Point.... you're on one of the main lobes of the signal. The only thing I can think is that maybe because of the storm KYW was operating at reduced power.
 
If WKNR could get an FM translator(s) to fill in some of the coverage holes at night, would say 94.5 FM on the east side and 100.3 on the west side work?
 
Signal cuts out past Conneaut after 7PM. Can't get hide nor hair of them in Linesville (not that that is a bad thing).
 
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