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WKSW move to Enon approved

Well, theere you have it. I guess this thread will be coming to an end.
 
First Post on thread:

gr8oldies said:
The FCC approved WKSW (Kiss Country)'s move from 101.7 in Urbana to 101.5 in Enon (with tower in Huber Heights), dismissing a couple of informal objections in the process. The feds decided that Enon was indeed it's own separate community deserving of its very own radio station.

So when does Mainline move it and what's the format going to be? It would seem that almost any contemporary music format would have Mainline slitting it's own throat by snatching numbers from Fly. Will it stay country and actually make a run at K99.1? Maybe stay the same and still target Springfield?

New message on the Kiss Country website toady:

http://www.kisscountry.com/
All of us in the Kiss Country 101.7 family want to thank you for being a fan. As in many families, sometimes we have to move for economic reasons. So with our move to a new frequency and new location, we are also moving to a new format. Kiss Country 101.7 listeners are a great group of people, and we appreciate all you have done for us. Thank you for your support of Kiss Country 101.7 over the years.
 
LocalGuy6 said:
You guys have noticed the station, itself, does not stream, right?

You guys realize that means one of you in this thread has (illegally) put up that stream on that irrelevant website that only internet radio geeks look at, right? That the station, the company, and no one else in the rest of the world know anything about it, right?

So you guys realize one of you is just jerking the gerkins of all the rest of you, right?

The alleged illegal stream is now streaming Click 101.5:

http://radiotime.com/station/s_30409/Kiss_Country_1017_1015.aspx

But now there is dead air as this is being typed.
But is this really a illegally stream?
 
BobOnTheJob said:
BobOnTheJob , do you know why they have yet to make the move to 101.5? WNKO-FM, east of Columbus at101.7 wants to turn on their new tower site which is closer to Columbus but they won't until WKSW vacates the frequency. WNKO-FM has already built their new site and it's ready to go.
I ask because you have an Radio Engineering background.
This is a pretty bizarre turn of events. One would think that WNKO can proceed based on the FCC paperwork that indicates the move has indeed happened. The fact that they can't (or won't?) proceed makes one wonder if they aren't aware of what's going on behind the scenes. Crazy story...hopefully one day the logic involved will be revealed.

WNKO-FM went on the air from their new tower site shortly after WKSW vacated the 101.7
frequency. This was just posted over at the Columbus board:

dawg4life said:
Looks like WNKO's new tower is up and running. Was listening to 101.7 in the car loud and clear in Canal Winchester. Their top of the our ID said New Albany, Newark, Columbus and now serving all of central Ohio.
 
LocalGuy6 said:
You guys have noticed the station, itself, does not stream, right?

You guys realize that means one of you in this thread has (illegally) put up that stream on that irrelevant website that only internet radio geeks look at, right? That the station, the company, and no one else in the rest of the world know anything about it, right?

So you guys realize one of you is just jerking the gerkins of all the rest of you, right?
Click DOES stream. KC is now in the proverbial "Radio Cemetary" along with Z-93 and The Rebel. Whomever caught this stream, legal or illegal, caught an early sneak peek at Click. Looks like SOMEONE knew what they were talking about and weren't "jerking" around anyone.
 
gabigley1 said:
That was my point and it dose appears the audio stream we heard hinting of the impending "Click 101.5" was/is indeed legal!
Help me understand something (I'm far from a streaming expert)...how can a stream by legal vs illegal?
 
LocalGuy6 said:
You guys have noticed the station, itself, does not stream, right?

You guys realize that means one of you in this thread has (illegally) put up that stream on that irrelevant website that only internet radio geeks look at, right? That the station, the company, and no one else in the rest of the world know anything about it, right?

So you guys realize one of you is just jerking the gerkins of all the rest of you, right?

Put the pipe down, dude...the station's changed formats.
 
BobOnTheJob said:
gabigley1 said:
That was my point and it dose appears the audio stream we heard hinting of the impending "Click 101.5" was/is indeed legal!
Help me understand something (I'm far from a streaming expert)...how can a stream by legal vs illegal?

If I get this guy's post correctly, he was suggesting someone reporting on this board put up an audio stream on the internet to fake everyone out...that the stream being heard was unauthorized from Mainline.

Apparently, he doesn't realize that consultants will sometimes do a test run late in the midnight hours when (supposedly) few are listening. That is what happened. Since it's now all over with, and what I'm about to report is public on the internet, you might this interesting:

If you all check Twitter posts for a guy named "Scott Sands"...he was apparently behind the launch for consultant Vallie/Richards/Donovan and arrived in Dayton just hours before that "midnight test". They were tweeting away Thursday night and into Friday. One of our staffers found the tweets online Thursday night and began monitoring the stream, and e-mailed me at home early Friday to tell me he thought something was about to happen with the "now" 101.5.

Kiss Country went away to 101.5...where they apparently played some classic country mixed in with some other songs as well), played a little bit of their new imagining, too as I understand. Then, they went back to 101.7 and the normal format in time for no one affiliated with the old format to have heard anything and become suspicious. Most likely, they were setting the processing and doing some other audio related things during that time.
 
Jason Roberts said:
BobOnTheJob said:
gabigley1 said:
That was my point and it dose appears the audio stream we heard hinting of the impending "Click 101.5" was/is indeed legal!
Help me understand something (I'm far from a streaming expert)...how can a stream by legal vs illegal?

If I get this guy's post correctly, he was suggesting someone reporting on this board put up an audio stream on the internet to fake everyone out...that the stream being heard was unauthorized from Mainline.

Apparently, he doesn't realize that consultants will sometimes do a test run late in the midnight hours when (supposedly) few are listening. That is what happened. Since it's now all over with, and what I'm about to report is public on the internet, you might this interesting:

If you all check Twitter posts for a guy named "Scott Sands"...he was apparently behind the launch for consultant Vallie/Richards/Donovan and arrived in Dayton just hours before that "midnight test". They were tweeting away Thursday night and into Friday. One of our staffers found the tweets online Thursday night and began monitoring the stream, and e-mailed me at home early Friday to tell me he thought something was about to happen with the "now" 101.5.

Kiss Country went away to 101.5...where they apparently played some classic country mixed in with some other songs as well), played a little bit of their new imagining, too as I understand. Then, they went back to 101.7 and the normal format in time for no one affiliated with the old format to have heard anything and become suspicious. Most likely, they were setting the processing and doing some other audio related things during that time.
This sounds like EXACTLY what lovejamminoldies heard...He reported this around 12:45 AM early Fri. morning. Wow, thanks for the heads-up on the behind-the-scenes stuff Jason. Interesting that their consultant(s) were in town when that test went down. Wow, with all the twists and turns in this story you could fill a book with it.
ALSO...one more catch I noticed about 15 minutes before the frequency swap...Andy Lawrence's show usually runs until 1 PM if I am correct...I noticed that they were running jockless in that last hour...I definitely knew then that the flip was coming.
Speaking of Lee Riley...his voice can still be heard on quite a few spots on Click.
 
Yes! I heard all this talk about someone hearing the stream and testing the new format. So, I got excited and tuned into 101.7, but all I heard was static. I then tuned into 101.5 and heard classic country and an ID saying WKSW! WOOHOO! -- I thought it was stunting until they threw Kiss Country back on 101.7... most likely, I and only a few other random listeners heard this. I knew it was flipping Friday then. I thought Click might have been a smokescreen though.
 
gabigley1 said:
Finally am hearing their "Afternoon Drive" DJ.

zburns said:
Kiss country is now back on the streaming feed that did have click 1015 on it. The feed has static, like it is off the air.
I will say this is interesting to see every ones opinion on this.
Listen to 101.5 and 101.7 tomorrow. If there is a switch I think it will be sooner than later. It could be they are testing things out. So listen up.... I believe sooner rather than later!

They say they are having a "live remote" this Saturday. Doubt they will switch this week if a customer had paid for a live remote on Saturday.

This is the remote that Lee Riley announced last Thursday Afternoon, via the Kiss Country
website:

Kiss Country 101.7, Your Hometown Country Station
Join Lee Riley broadcasting from Liberty Tax Service in Fairborn at 1874 South Maple Avenue this Saturday from 11 to 1. We'll be raising money for the SICSA (Society for the Improvement of Conditions for Stray Animals). See you there!
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That is why I didn't think WKSW would change this week because I thought WKSW would honor this remote. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DROVE ALL THE WAY TO THIS REMOTE? :eek: Also, didn't believe they would abruptly pull the plug on Kiss Country 101.7.
 
GA:

I'm sure the sponsor will be taken care of.

How many listeners showed up? Don't know. But with a 1 share radio station for all but one book in the past year...a few, maybe...but doubtful.
 
My current employer notwithstanding, some of you may remember that I used to work for the old WBZI-FM in Xenia back in the 1980's. That was around the time that the station that would become Kiss Country started making noise in the market. WKSW had a format or two prior to country, but once it changed, it did become a market force in Clark and Champaign counties.

As kind of an area radio historian here, you might be interested in hearing how Kiss Country was built into the powerhouse it was, especially in its earlier years. Russ Shafer (ex-WBZI all night jock) got it going...when he left, another person was promoted to the PD's job. That PD, knowing he had no money to do local research, stole...(by means of monitoring K-99.1 FM over the air) their playlist. He knew Cox researched everything and figured, "what do they know that I don't know"? Then, he was smart enough to know Kiss Country could not just be a carbon copy of K-99.1. So, he made the station hyper-local. Playing K's musical playlist...with an on-air presentation that highlighted the hell out of Springfield, Clark and Champaign counties.

In those days, the station actually pulled high 2's and even the occasional 3 share 12 plus in the Dayton ratings. They were Springfield's hometown version of K-99.1. And it worked.

Who was the PD then? His name is: Nick Roberts. Current OM of Cox Radio Dayton and Louisville. He was hired at K-99.1 as APD apparently because the big honchos at Cox saw what he was doing in Springfield and figured they'd rather have him on their side than to have to compete against him. Nick later became PD at K-99.1, then Operations Manager at Cox Radio/Dayton.

Kiss Country hung in there for a while after Nick left under the owners and managers of the time, but once Radio One bought the station, it was obvious that they were the red-headed stepchild of Radio One's Dayton group. And when Mainline took over and more cuts were made, the station took a nosedive, ratings wise. Yes, they would occasionally kick up to a 2 share...but those books became the exception, rather than the norm.

Why? The station's real emphasis under Radio One and Mainline seemed to become Dayton without actually saying it, while they continued to profess on the air they were the "hometown" radio station. It was funny to hear traffic reports on the station sometimes for Centerville and Bellbrook where they could barely be heard on a table radio, if at all.

Kiss Country did hang on to a good part of their Clark County audience until about the last year or so. Then, K-99.1 began to tie, and in more than just a stray book, beat them in Clark County.

Now, I'm not saying they didn't have their fans...I know they did. They were competitive for a long time. But, in the last year or so, the bloom was clearly off the rose up there.

But, it wasn't just signal and lack of promotional money...remember they had been big enough that the big guns in Dayton were taking notice of them at one time. It was also programming direction and lack thereof. I do not and will not point this at any single individual or individuals. There were clearly more than one or two individuals in the mix there.

Now, just for giggles: conjure what might have happened if the station kept copying K-99.1 musically, and continued to hyperserve Clark and Champaign counties...that 3 share might never have gone away.

Nick will probably read this and give me heck for saying it on Monday (and I'm not saying it to be ingratiating). But, he was the guy who made Kiss Country a powerhouse up there. And most anyone credible who worked there then knows it, and would back this up.

I just wanted to say it before some people might try to revise history. Nick deserves his due for his success with that station.
 
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