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WLCY-TV 10 Largo

Kabrich said:
Yes, you can change a COL from a station that will be left with no COL if the new COL has no COL either - especially if it serves more people, as St. Pete does over Largo.

No, you can't - at least not under current rules. A number of AM stations tried to do that in the 2004 window for major changes and got slapped down by the FCC.

But the rules were apparently different back when WLCY-TV (and WITI in Milwaukee) made their moves...
 
Scott Fybush said:
Kabrich said:
Yes, you can change a COL from a station that will be left with no COL if the new COL has no COL either - especially if it serves more people, as St. Pete does over Largo.

No, you can't - at least not under current rules. A number of AM stations tried to do that in the 2004 window for major changes and got slapped down by the FCC.

But the rules were apparently different back when WLCY-TV (and WITI in Milwaukee) made their moves...

Agreed. Thought we were still discussing what happened 30 years ago.....probably should have used "could" instead of "can".
 
Short-spacing issues with Miami aside, isn't this all smoke and mirrors--
or perhaps "large-city envy"--as to the COL of channel 10?

Using a metro Phoenix comparison, if you were licensed to Apache Junction
(i.e., Largo) and there was no way you could change the COL to Phoenix
(Tampa) but you could shift it to Mesa (St. Pete)...wouldn't you?

BTW, how does the WTSP legal ID visual "read" on screen (forgetting any
"DT" for the moment and assuming they do it visually, not aurally)? Does
St. Petersburg immediately follow the calls, then Tampa and other cities?
 
I was looking at early 1960s New Port Richey Press newspapers a while back, and one of them had a banner headline which I think read NEW PORT RICHEY TO GET A TELEVISION STATION. I didn't read the article except to see that it said the station would be Channel 10. So I guess at one point Ch. 10 was going to be licensed to NPR or maybe the allocation for Ch. 10 was going to be changed to NPR.

I drove by to see the new Anclote High School under construction the other day and, for those who like to look at towers, here are the Ch. 10 and 97.9-FM towers, as seen from there:

http://fivay.org/temp1.jpg
http://fivay.org/temp2.jpg
http://fivay.org/temp3.jpg

I would say that students at Anclote H. S. and the adjacent Paul R. Smith Middle School would get good reception of 97.9 if they'd bring a radio to school, but of course they bring cell phones and iPods....
 
oldiesfan6479 said:
Short-spacing issues with Miami aside, isn't this all smoke and mirrors--
or perhaps "large-city envy"--as to the COL of channel 10?

Using a metro Phoenix comparison, if you were licensed to Apache Junction
(i.e., Largo) and there was no way you could change the COL to Phoenix
(Tampa) but you could shift it to Mesa (St. Pete)...wouldn't you?

BTW, how does the WTSP legal ID visual "read" on screen (forgetting any
"DT" for the moment and assuming they do it visually, not aurally)? Does
St. Petersburg immediately follow the calls, then Tampa and other cities?

Yes, the current visual legal ID on WTSP-TV is WTSP-TV/DT Saint Petersburg - Tampa...

Mark Tillery,
Ocala, Florida
[email protected]
 
Jeff Miller said:
I was looking at early 1960s New Port Richey Press newspapers a while back, and one of them had a banner headline which I think read NEW PORT RICHEY TO GET A TELEVISION STATION. I didn't read the article except to see that it said the station would be Channel 10. So I guess at one point Ch. 10 was going to be licensed to NPR or maybe the allocation for Ch. 10 was going to be changed to NPR.

I drove by to see the new Anclote High School under construction the other day and, for those who like to look at towers, here are the Ch. 10 and 97.9-FM towers, as seen from there:

http://fivay.org/temp1.jpg
http://fivay.org/temp2.jpg
http://fivay.org/temp3.jpg

I would say that students at Anclote H. S. and the adjacent Paul R. Smith Middle School would get good reception of 97.9 if they'd bring a radio to school, but of course they bring cell phones and iPods....

Hi Jeff,

I'm not sure if you remember me, but we exchanged a few emails a few years ago relating to the original WGUL-AM 1500 New Port Richey...

Thanks for the WTSP-TV/WXTB-FM tower photos... Didn't WTOG-TV have its tower in Holiday at one time? And wasn't WTSP-TV and WXTB-FM transmitting from the same tower at one time?

Mark Tillery,
Ocala, Florida
[email protected]
 
I think the answer is no to both questions. However, Ch. 22 WCLF-TV, did transmit from Ch. 10's tower in Holiday until a few years ago....
 
jmtillery said:
Yes, the current visual legal ID...is WTSP-TV/DT Saint Petersburg - Tampa...

That's my bold in the quote above, which brings up the fact that their legal
analog callsign is WTSP (not WTSP-TV), per the FCC TV Query:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?stat...t2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

But I suppose if Uncle Charlie doesn't care when an FM with an "-FM" suffix in
their legal callsign IDs as "WXXX Anytown," then I guess it's OK to add a "-TV"
when there isn't one.

Or (another PHX market reference coming) that KPNX(TV) Mesa for years IDed
as "KPNX Phoenix-Mesa"--however their newer ID graphics now show it correctly
with Mesa first ("KPNX/DT Mesa-Phoenix"). Large city envy for sure...and yet
their stick is as big as any of the other analog VHFs on South Mountain. ;)
 
oldiesfan6479 said:
jmtillery said:
Yes, the current visual legal ID...is WTSP-TV/DT Saint Petersburg - Tampa...

That's my bold in the quote above, which brings up the fact that their legal
analog callsign is WTSP (not WTSP-TV), per the FCC TV Query:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?stat...t2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

But I suppose if Uncle Charlie doesn't care when an FM with an "-FM" suffix in
their legal callsign IDs as "WXXX Anytown," then I guess it's OK to add a "-TV"
when there isn't one.

Or (another PHX market reference coming) that KPNX(TV) Mesa for years IDed
as "KPNX Phoenix-Mesa"--however their newer ID graphics now show it correctly
with Mesa first ("KPNX/DT Mesa-Phoenix"). Large city envy for sure...and yet
their stick is as big as any of the other analog VHFs on South Mountain. ;)

Certain items are legitimate insertions between the call letters and city - the station's frequency or channel is one of them. I suppose you could argue that "TV" is WTSP's frequency -- it is, after all, broadcasting on a TV channel -- the rules don't say how specific you have to be :)

WRT KPNX, is it possible they did it the "wrong" way visually but the "right" way aurally? (or vice-versa) A TV station has to ID either visually or aurally. They don't have to do both. (and since you can say pretty much anything you want, it would seem to be legal to do a "wrong" ID on one as long as you did a "right" one on the other)
 
w9wi said:
...KPNX, is it possible they did it the "wrong" way visually but the "right" way aurally?

Nope, all the legal IDs (and "illegal legal IDs") I've seen on KPNX have been visual.
 
oldiesfan6479 said:
jmtillery said:
Yes, the current visual legal ID...is WTSP-TV/DT Saint Petersburg - Tampa...

That's my bold in the quote above, which brings up the fact that their legal
analog callsign is WTSP (not WTSP-TV), per the FCC TV Query:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?stat...t2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

But I suppose if Uncle Charlie doesn't care when an FM with an "-FM" suffix in
their legal callsign IDs as "WXXX Anytown," then I guess it's OK to add a "-TV"
when there isn't one.

Or (another PHX market reference coming) that KPNX(TV) Mesa for years IDed
as "KPNX Phoenix-Mesa"--however their newer ID graphics now show it correctly
with Mesa first ("KPNX/DT Mesa-Phoenix"). Large city envy for sure...and yet
their stick is as big as any of the other analog VHFs on South Mountain. ;)

Although the legally assigned call letters may actually be WTSP and not WTSP-TV, ALL TV stations identifiy as TV/DT following call letters to distinguish that the TV station is operatng its analog AND digital channels simultaneously, hence, WTSP-TV/DT is correct AND legal per FCC rules governing TV Broadcast identification... This, of course, will change beginning February 17th 2009.

Mark Tillery,
Ocala, Florida
[email protected]
 
jmtillery said:
Although the legally assigned call letters may actually be WTSP and not WTSP-TV, ALL TV stations identifiy as TV/DT following call letters to distinguish that the TV station is operatng its analog AND digital channels simultaneously, hence, WTSP-TV/DT is correct AND legal per FCC rules governing TV Broadcast identification... This, of course, will change beginning February 17th 2009.

Actually I would disagree with that.

The digital station is indeed required to ID as such - WTSP-DT St. Petersburg must appear either visually or aurally as part of the hourly ID. (by the way, this also applies to "HD" radio stations)

However, the call letters of WTSP remain WTSP (not WTSP-TV) and they're theoretically required to ID as such.

The rules don't change on 2/18, though of course it will no longer be necessary to ID WTSP (analog) once the analog operation no longer exists.

(since you can say pretty much anything outside a legal ID, it will be perfectly legal to continue to ID analog TV stations after 2/17, even though those stations no longer exist!)
 
I'd ask Scott Fybush to chime in, but I'm sure he'd agree that the
FCC ID rules for DT are just as vague as those for HD radio.

I've seen it both ways in Phoenix within the past 12 hours or so.

KTVK Phoenix (no -TV suffix on its analog) IDed visually as:
"KTVK-TV/DT Phoenix"

KPNX Mesa (also no -TV analog suffix) IDed visually as:
"KPNX/DT Mesa-Phoenix"

Each instance was a TOH with no aural legal.

As some of us have discussed on various other R-I boards for
radio when there's I-CRAP and/or FM HD involved, for absolute
correctness, shouldn't each analog and digital element be IDed
with calls and COL separately? As in these visual examples...

KTVK Phoenix KTVK-DT Phoenix

KPHO-TV Phoenix KPHO-DT Phoenix
 
So long as both channels or stations are licensed to the same communnity, I believe you are okay identifying the community only once even though you are identifying two stations.

Back in the 70s I worked for a small AM-FM - WTRS-AM 920 and WTRS-FM 102.3 both licensed to Dunnellon, Florida. Our TOH ID while in simulcast was "WTRS-920 AM and WTRS-FM 102.3 Dunnellon, Florida." Although we gave the frequencies (920 and 102.3) and the service of each station (AM-FM) we only gave Dunnellon as the COL once.

In the case of the analog and digital TV channels, I still maintain that both suffix TV/DT are required to be used to distinguish that both analog and digital channels are in use. Otherwise to identify the analog and digital channels as simply call letters followed by the DT suffix only would imply that only the digital channel in on the air. Ex: WTSP-TV/DT Saint Petersbug very clearly identifies that WTSP analog TV channel 10 and that WTSP digital channel DT 24 are both on air simultaineously and both are licensed to Saint Petersburg. To identify strictly as WTSP-DT Saint Petersburg identifies that ONLY the digital channel is on air.

The television broadcast identification rules will change after February 17th of this year quite simply because the analog channels will no longer be licensed nor will they be on the air (legally), hence, to continue identifying the analog channel as "TV" would indicate that a "non-existent" TV channel is broadcasting when in fact same said channel is no longer licensed nor broadcastng... However, should the FCC allow the digital channels to replace the current "DT" suffix with the former "TV" suffix, hence, in the case of WTSP become WTSP-TV (digital) or simply WTSP without the "DT" suffix, that may be an option for TV stations that do not share its call letters with any radio stations that would otherwsie require the "TV" or "DT" suffix to distinguish that either an AM of FM station somewhere in the U.S. shares the same call letters.

However it would be illegal, althouh I serious doubt enforced, after February 17th, for any TV licensee to continue identifying as TV/DT as this would identify there are two channels instead of only one channel that is licensed and authorized to broadcast after February 17th.

Mark Tillery,
Ocala, Florida
[email protected]
 
The FCC has been unclear (as seems to be par for the course today) with its ID rules for DTV.

It is certainly possible for a station without the "-TV" suffix to ID its analog and digital signals without adding an erroneous "-TV" to the mix. My local WUHF does so, as follows: "WUHF(TV)/DT ROCHESTER." I've also seen it done as "WXXX/DT ANYWHERE."

But now the catch: when you go to look at the licenses for the stations in question, you'll see that the "-DT" suffix is used only inconsistently in the FCC's own database. Because the FCC never assigned separate facility ID numbers for stations' digital facilities, there have never been calls officially granted with the -DT suffix, even for stations that signed on digital-only. Look at the callsign history for WMAK in Knoxville, which never had an analog facility and came on DT-only on channel 7, and you'll see that the FCC callsign desk considers its call to be simply "WMAK," no suffix.

One might therefore conclude that the callsign for digital channel 28 in New York after 2/17/09 will be...WNBC, and that of digital channel 7 will be WABC-TV. Look at their various DTV applications and status reports and you'll see those calls, not "WNBC-DT" or "WABC-DT," shown in the callsign box.

It's my belief (though I'd stress that I'm not a lawyer) that they'd be on solid ground right now - and on February 18 - identifying simply as "WNBC NEW YORK" or "WABC-TV NEW YORK." Those IDs would appear to cover both the analog and digital transmitters, which legally would seem to share a callsign and certainly share a facility number, and would likewise continue to cover the digital transmitters after analog goes away. But the promotions departments at most stations seem to disagree, and the FCC's enforcement bureau seems not to care one way or another, so we'll surely see plenty of "WWWW-DT ANYWHERE" IDs after 2/17, even though the callsign on the license might still read "WWWW" or "WWWW-TV."
 
Scott Fybush said:
The FCC has been unclear (as seems to be par for the course today) with its ID rules for DTV.

It is certainly possible for a station without the "-TV" suffix to ID its analog and digital signals without adding an erroneous "-TV" to the mix. My local WUHF does so, as follows: "WUHF(TV)/DT ROCHESTER." I've also seen it done as "WXXX/DT ANYWHERE."

But now the catch: when you go to look at the licenses for the stations in question, you'll see that the "-DT" suffix is used only inconsistently in the FCC's own database. Because the FCC never assigned separate facility ID numbers for stations' digital facilities, there have never been calls officially granted with the -DT suffix, even for stations that signed on digital-only. Look at the callsign history for WMAK in Knoxville, which never had an analog facility and came on DT-only on channel 7, and you'll see that the FCC callsign desk considers its call to be simply "WMAK," no suffix.

One might therefore conclude that the callsign for digital channel 28 in New York after 2/17/09 will be...WNBC, and that of digital channel 7 will be WABC-TV. Look at their various DTV applications and status reports and you'll see those calls, not "WNBC-DT" or "WABC-DT," shown in the callsign box.

It's my belief (though I'd stress that I'm not a lawyer) that they'd be on solid ground right now - and on February 18 - identifying simply as "WNBC NEW YORK" or "WABC-TV NEW YORK." Those IDs would appear to cover both the analog and digital transmitters, which legally would seem to share a callsign and certainly share a facility number, and would likewise continue to cover the digital transmitters after analog goes away. But the promotions departments at most stations seem to disagree, and the FCC's enforcement bureau seems not to care one way or another, so we'll surely see plenty of "WWWW-DT ANYWHERE" IDs after 2/17, even though the callsign on the license might still read "WWWW" or "WWWW-TV."

The license for the station I work for covers both the analog and digital stations -- and has two different callsigns. Copied directly from our authorization as viewable online through CDBS:

Analog Call Sign: WSMV-TV
Digital Call Sign: WSMV-DT
Analog License File Number: BMLCT-19880822KI
Digital License File Number: BLCDT-20021029AAV

The license for WMAK of course covers only one station - and it specifies "Digital Call Sign: WMAK-DT". It is very possible that the -DT suffix doesn't exist on the licenses of some stations.

jmtillery said:
So long as both channels or stations are licensed to the same communnity, I believe you are okay identifying the community only once even though you are identifying two stations.

I would suggest this is technically wrong. The callsign of some other station is not a permissible insertion in a legal ID, so "WTRS AM and FM Dunnellon" is not technically legal. (the FM callsign is WTRS-FM, you can't insert "AM and" in the middle of the callsign. For AM, no matter how little precision you require for the permissible insertion of the frequency, "FM" is not WTRS(AM)'s frequency.)

Of course, it's been done that way for decades, the FCC is most assuredly aware of it, and they've never even suggested it's wrong, let alone sanctioned anyone for doing it that way. It certainly meets the spirit of the regulation.

I certainly agree with Mark that the chances of anyone getting in trouble for failing to remove the "-TV" from their ID after 2/17 are far less than the chances of President Obama appointing me Chairman of the FCC.
 
w9wi said:
Scott Fybush said:
The FCC has been unclear (as seems to be par for the course today) with its ID rules for DTV.

It is certainly possible for a station without the "-TV" suffix to ID its analog and digital signals without adding an erroneous "-TV" to the mix. My local WUHF does so, as follows: "WUHF(TV)/DT ROCHESTER." I've also seen it done as "WXXX/DT ANYWHERE."

But now the catch: when you go to look at the licenses for the stations in question, you'll see that the "-DT" suffix is used only inconsistently in the FCC's own database. Because the FCC never assigned separate facility ID numbers for stations' digital facilities, there have never been calls officially granted with the -DT suffix, even for stations that signed on digital-only. Look at the callsign history for WMAK in Knoxville, which never had an analog facility and came on DT-only on channel 7, and you'll see that the FCC callsign desk considers its call to be simply "WMAK," no suffix.

One might therefore conclude that the callsign for digital channel 28 in New York after 2/17/09 will be...WNBC, and that of digital channel 7 will be WABC-TV. Look at their various DTV applications and status reports and you'll see those calls, not "WNBC-DT" or "WABC-DT," shown in the callsign box.

It's my belief (though I'd stress that I'm not a lawyer) that they'd be on solid ground right now - and on February 18 - identifying simply as "WNBC NEW YORK" or "WABC-TV NEW YORK." Those IDs would appear to cover both the analog and digital transmitters, which legally would seem to share a callsign and certainly share a facility number, and would likewise continue to cover the digital transmitters after analog goes away. But the promotions departments at most stations seem to disagree, and the FCC's enforcement bureau seems not to care one way or another, so we'll surely see plenty of "WWWW-DT ANYWHERE" IDs after 2/17, even though the callsign on the license might still read "WWWW" or "WWWW-TV."

The license for the station I work for covers both the analog and digital stations -- and has two different callsigns. Copied directly from our authorization as viewable online through CDBS:

Analog Call Sign: WSMV-TV
Digital Call Sign: WSMV-DT
Analog License File Number: BMLCT-19880822KI
Digital License File Number: BLCDT-20021029AAV

The license for WMAK of course covers only one station - and it specifies "Digital Call Sign: WMAK-DT". It is very possible that the -DT suffix doesn't exist on the licenses of some stations.

jmtillery said:
So long as both channels or stations are licensed to the same communnity, I believe you are okay identifying the community only once even though you are identifying two stations.

I would suggest this is technically wrong. The callsign of some other station is not a permissible insertion in a legal ID, so "WTRS AM and FM Dunnellon" is not technically legal. (the FM callsign is WTRS-FM, you can't insert "AM and" in the middle of the callsign. For AM, no matter how little precision you require for the permissible insertion of the frequency, "FM" is not WTRS(AM)'s frequency.)

Of course, it's been done that way for decades, the FCC is most assuredly aware of it, and they've never even suggested it's wrong, let alone sanctioned anyone for doing it that way. It certainly meets the spirit of the regulation.

I certainly agree with Mark that the chances of anyone getting in trouble for failing to remove the "-TV" from their ID after 2/17 are far less than the chances of President Obama appointing me Chairman of the FCC.

Perhap you misread my note. We never identfied as "WTRS AM and FM Dunnellon, Florida" for the same reasons you just gave. It would be incorrect. We identifed, and I stress this was only during simulcast operations, as WTRS 920 AM AND WTRS-FM 102.3 Dunnellon, Florida" which is correct as it identifies both stations as licensed to the same community. The FCC has always allowed between call letters and COL the station frequency and/or licensee at the licensee's discretion as this has always been optional and not mandated. The only mandated requirement is call letters immediately followed by the COL.

The minimal legal ID requirement using WTRS as example would be WTRS Dunnellon and WTRS-FM Dunnellon or simply WTRS - WTRS-FM Dunnellon. However, since the FCC does allow for frequency insertion between call letters and COL, it is also correct to identify as we did with WTRS 920 AM (call letters with frequency insertion) and WTRS-FM (the correct call letter assignement to the FM station) 102.3 (the correct permissable assigned frequency between call letters and COL) Dunnellon (the correct COL), Florida (optional addition of the state the COL and station(s) is/are located).

Mark Tillery
General Manager
WELE-AM 1380
Daytona Beach, Florida
[email protected]
 
w9wi said:
Scott Fybush said:
The FCC has been unclear (as seems to be par for the course today) with its ID rules for DTV.

It is certainly possible for a station without the "-TV" suffix to ID its analog and digital signals without adding an erroneous "-TV" to the mix. My local WUHF does so, as follows: "WUHF(TV)/DT ROCHESTER." I've also seen it done as "WXXX/DT ANYWHERE."

But now the catch: when you go to look at the licenses for the stations in question, you'll see that the "-DT" suffix is used only inconsistently in the FCC's own database. Because the FCC never assigned separate facility ID numbers for stations' digital facilities, there have never been calls officially granted with the -DT suffix, even for stations that signed on digital-only. Look at the callsign history for WMAK in Knoxville, which never had an analog facility and came on DT-only on channel 7, and you'll see that the FCC callsign desk considers its call to be simply "WMAK," no suffix.

One might therefore conclude that the callsign for digital channel 28 in New York after 2/17/09 will be...WNBC, and that of digital channel 7 will be WABC-TV. Look at their various DTV applications and status reports and you'll see those calls, not "WNBC-DT" or "WABC-DT," shown in the callsign box.

It's my belief (though I'd stress that I'm not a lawyer) that they'd be on solid ground right now - and on February 18 - identifying simply as "WNBC NEW YORK" or "WABC-TV NEW YORK." Those IDs would appear to cover both the analog and digital transmitters, which legally would seem to share a callsign and certainly share a facility number, and would likewise continue to cover the digital transmitters after analog goes away. But the promotions departments at most stations seem to disagree, and the FCC's enforcement bureau seems not to care one way or another, so we'll surely see plenty of "WWWW-DT ANYWHERE" IDs after 2/17, even though the callsign on the license might still read "WWWW" or "WWWW-TV."

The license for the station I work for covers both the analog and digital stations -- and has two different callsigns. Copied directly from our authorization as viewable online through CDBS:

Analog Call Sign: WSMV-TV
Digital Call Sign: WSMV-DT
Analog License File Number: BMLCT-19880822KI
Digital License File Number: BLCDT-20021029AAV

The license for WMAK of course covers only one station - and it specifies "Digital Call Sign: WMAK-DT". It is very possible that the -DT suffix doesn't exist on the licenses of some stations.

jmtillery said:
So long as both channels or stations are licensed to the same communnity, I believe you are okay identifying the community only once even though you are identifying two stations.

I would suggest this is technically wrong. The callsign of some other station is not a permissible insertion in a legal ID, so "WTRS AM and FM Dunnellon" is not technically legal. (the FM callsign is WTRS-FM, you can't insert "AM and" in the middle of the callsign. For AM, no matter how little precision you require for the permissible insertion of the frequency, "FM" is not WTRS(AM)'s frequency.)

Of course, it's been done that way for decades, the FCC is most assuredly aware of it, and they've never even suggested it's wrong, let alone sanctioned anyone for doing it that way. It certainly meets the spirit of the regulation.

I certainly agree with Mark that the chances of anyone getting in trouble for failing to remove the "-TV" from their ID after 2/17 are far less than the chances of President Obama appointing me Chairman of the FCC.


w9wi,

Do you work for WSMV-TV Nashville? Isn't that channel 4 and is it also an NBC affiliate owned by Viacom? If I am not mistaken, I believe it was Viacom that acquired WSMV as WSM-TV sometime in the 80s when WSM-AM-FM-TV were spun off... I believe the "V" in the call letters stand for "Viacom" and since they needed a four letter call letter combination after losing the three letter combo in the sale, they chose the "V". Am I correct or even close?

Mark Tillery,
General Manager
WELE-AM 1380
Daytona Beach, Florida
[email protected]
 
jmtillery said:
Do you work for WSMV-TV Nashville? Isn't that channel 4 and is it also an NBC affiliate owned by Viacom? If I am not mistaken, I believe it was Viacom that acquired WSMV as WSM-TV sometime in the 80s when WSM-AM-FM-TV were spun off... I believe the "V" in the call letters stand for "Viacom" and since they needed a four letter call letter combination after losing the three letter combo in the sale, they chose the "V". Am I correct or even close?

(You're right, I misunderstood your comments about the legal IDs on WTRS AM/FM...)

Yes, I work for WSMV-TV but we are a Meredith station - have never been owned by Viacom. When we and the radio stations were spun off, we went to Gillette, then Cook Inlet, then Meredith.

The story on the hill is the V stands for "Video". I wasn't there when it happened and often slogans are chosen to match a callsign that works rather than the other way around -- could be "V" was the only letter they could stick on the end that didn't conflict with something... (right now there are only six unused callsigns that start with "WSM", and the most obvious choice, WSMT, was and still is on a radio station about 70 miles east of here.)
 
Many of these VHF allocations filled space across the country. In my neck of the woods, Channel 9 was allocated to Hatfield, Indiana because that was the point where a Channel 9 could operate. Today it is licensed to Evansville, Indiana. It almost became an Owensboro, Kentucky station before it was declared a non-com. Both cities are within 15 or so miles from Hatfield. This anomaly could explain the Channel 10 and Milwaukee scenario, the original allocation was the perfect place for the transmitter location.

An interesting fill in the space allocation happened in East Tennessee. There was a place for a Channel 2 allocation for Sneedville since that was the point where it could operate. Since it was determined it couldn't serve either Knoxville or the Tri-Cities market it was declared a non-com.
 
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