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WLIR

Looks like they've dropped the neo-breeze tag. In between songs they're playing the old "World famous WLIR" sweepers.Been listening about an hr and haven't heard any sinatra or tony bennett or gregorian chants, music seems to be from the core LIR artists although somewhat on the soft or safe side. Have they seen the errors of thier ways? Are we getting our beloved WLIR Back? I guess time will tell.
 
> Looks like they've dropped the neo-breeze tag. In between
> songs they're playing the old "World famous WLIR"
> sweepers.Been listening about an hr and haven't heard any
> sinatra or tony bennett or gregorian chants, music seems to
> be from the core LIR artists although somewhat on the soft
> or safe side. Have they seen the errors of thier ways? Are
> we getting our beloved WLIR Back? I guess time will tell.
>

Similar thing as you see below has happened with Party 105, maybe this channel casting, lets get as cheap as we can possibly get so we can spend more $$ on a horrid struggling paper that is the LI version of the NY Post hasn't worked as well as they hoped. What a shock....<P ID="signature">______________
R.I.P Party 105
5-27-98
9-15-05
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> Looks like they've dropped the neo-breeze tag. In between
> songs they're playing the old "World famous WLIR"
> sweepers.Been listening about an hr and haven't heard any
> sinatra or tony bennett or gregorian chants, music seems to
> be from the core LIR artists although somewhat on the soft
> or safe side. Have they seen the errors of thier ways? Are
> we getting our beloved WLIR Back? I guess time will tell.
>
WLIR is back on 107.1..Andre was on doing a 2 hour flashback lunch
 
Forever Young Kicks off the Return of LIR

> Looks like they've dropped the neo-breeze tag. In between
> songs they're playing the old "World famous WLIR"
> sweepers.Been listening about an hr and haven't heard any
> sinatra or tony bennett or gregorian chants, music seems to
> be from the core LIR artists although somewhat on the soft
> or safe side. Have they seen the errors of thier ways? Are
> we getting our beloved WLIR Back? I guess time will tell.
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From the LI Press Message Board
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:32 am Post subject: The World Famous WLIR is Backe


WLIR IS BACK !!!!!!
At midnight, the "Neobreeze" ID's blew away and the well known "LIR" ID's returned. The first song played was Alphaville's Forever Young. Let's hope this time that they stay dedicated and support the format that is their legacy.
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I read another message on wlir.fm stating that Andre hosted a two hour "Flashback Lunch" He's apparently the only jock right now, and there are still no commercials. The stream has been down so I can't hear it for myself. When I saw the post below about Channel 105 calling itself Party 105 and tweaking its format, playing more dance and Andre being back my response (which I chose not to post, waiting for more changes), was that this was NOT a tweak. If you bring back personality, and go back to your core format, it was to me admiting that the Channelcasting experiement was a confirmed failure. The NeoBreeze format was about the worst format I'd ever heard, though it was an interesting novelty to anyone driving through town. At this point, I'd welcome back Party, but in my opinion, pick a format, play it on two or three of their frequencies, giving it some range, and stick with it. Radio-X figured it out, why can't TMO? The return of LIR is not a big deal to me, since WLIR died a very long time ago. It would be nice to see them do something right though...
 
> Looks like they've dropped the neo-breeze tag. In between
> songs they're playing the old "World famous WLIR"
> sweepers.Been listening about an hr and haven't heard any
> sinatra or tony bennett or gregorian chants, music seems to
> be from the core LIR artists although somewhat on the soft
> or safe side. Have they seen the errors of thier ways? Are
> we getting our beloved WLIR Back? I guess time will tell.
>


Here is my take on it. I originally posted this on the LI Press message board, but decided to post it here too in case the "powers that be" over there decide to delete it:



I for one am TIRED of being JERKED AROUND by TMO!

First they take WLIR off 92.7 and give us "The Box" on 107.1
Then they see "the error of their ways" and put WLIR back on 107.1
Then they take WLIR off and give us NeoCrap
Then they see "the error of their ways" again and put WLIR back on 107.1.

For me it's RadioX and Island 94.3....I'm tired of being Morey's abused spouse. I'm not gonna go running back saying "Oh I'm glad you're back. I don't care if you abuse me, I still love you". The divorce papers are in the mail, Jed.
 
Re: Forever Young Kicks off the Return of LIR

At this point, I'd welcome
> back Party, but in my opinion, pick a format, play it on two
> or three of their frequencies, giving it some range, and
> stick with it. Radio-X figured it out, why can't TMO? The
> return of LIR is not a big deal to me, since WLIR died a
> very long time ago. It would be nice to see them do
> something right though...
>

Well, the only problem is that the three signals pretty much overlap each other, while Radio X has managed to carve out three coverage areas with its three frequencies, with not as much overlap. I don't see TMO doing that unless they can acquire a few signals to the west, but who would sell? Everyone seems to be "holding down the fort" for the time being.
 
> I for one am TIRED of being JERKED AROUND by TMO!
>
> First they take WLIR off 92.7 and give us "The Box" on 107.1
>
> Then they see "the error of their ways" and put WLIR back on
> 107.1
> Then they take WLIR off and give us NeoCrap
> Then they see "the error of their ways" again and put WLIR
> back on 107.1.
>
> For me it's RadioX and Island 94.3....I'm tired of being
> Morey's abused spouse. I'm not gonna go running back saying
> "Oh I'm glad you're back. I don't care if you abuse me, I
> still love you". The divorce papers are in the mail, Jed.
>
I was actually going to ask...who else thinks this is just another stop-gap move by TMO until they come up with their next "experiment"?
 
It's like the past 3 months were a bad dream, but I'm actually listening to WLIR again! I'm also very skeptical, though, and agree with the post above -- how many times can TMO screw around with the loyal WLIR listeners and expect them to keep coming back?

Why was this done so quietly? If they're really bringing WLIR back for a long stay, shouldn't there have been a big fanfare like the NeoCrap experiment?

> >
> I was actually going to ask...who else thinks this is just
> another stop-gap move by TMO until they come up with their
> next "experiment"?
>
 
Re: Forever Young Kicks off the Return of LIR

> At this point, I'd welcome
> > back Party, but in my opinion, pick a format, play it on
> two
> > or three of their frequencies, giving it some range, and
> > stick with it. Radio-X figured it out, why can't TMO?
> The
> > return of LIR is not a big deal to me, since WLIR died a
> > very long time ago. It would be nice to see them do
> > something right though...
> >
>
> Well, the only problem is that the three signals pretty much
> overlap each other, while Radio X has managed to carve out
> three coverage areas with its three frequencies, with not as
> much overlap. I don't see TMO doing that unless they can
> acquire a few signals to the west, but who would sell?
> Everyone seems to be "holding down the fort" for the time
> being.
>
They overlap between each other to some degree, but so do many of the Radio-X signals. The overlap would only be just a bit west of 107.1. You would effectively be moving the WLIR signal from its most eastern point, to about Hauppauge, the furthest western reach of WDRE. If I was TMO, I'd rather have one good format with that kind of reach, than what they have now.
 
It's a radio version of "Night Of The Living Dead"! Everytime TMO decides to kill the station, it raises from the dead with a few more pieces missing to walk the earth again! Put a stake in its heart already!

92.7 WLIR was a Nassau station that never got great ratings, even lost its license at one point and I'm sure that more people cry of its loss than EVER listened to it. When they sold the signal to WCAA for $62 million (what kinda drugs were THEY on) when it might have sold for 6.2 million on a good day - TMO had to sell.

Leaving them with 107.1. It's a horrible class A freq that gets nowhere and gets chewed up by the other 107.1s in Westchester and places in NJ. And what's worse for Morey is that it is out in the Hamptons...where no one knows anything about the old WLIR or cares less. Yet, TMO keeps trying to bank on the old station's history in an area where it has none.

How long will THIS attempt at glory last?
 
Re: Forever Young Kicks off the Return of LIR

> They overlap between each other to some degree, but do do
> many of the Radio-X signals. The overlap would only be just
> a bit west of 107.1. You would effectively be moving the
> WLIR signal from its most eastern point, to about Hauppauge,
> the furthest western reach of WDRE. If I was TMO, I'd
> rather have one good format with that kind of reach, than
> what they have now.
>
Perhaps. On a good car radio, one can actually get WDRE up until around the Nassau-Suffolk border, especially towards the south shore. However, if they wanted to put a "good" format on their best frequency right now (105.3), they might as well put the LI Rock format they have on 98.5, as it's been consistently their best ratings-earner for the past couple of years.
 
> It's a radio version of "Night Of The Living Dead"!
> Everytime TMO decides to kill the station, it raises from
> the dead with a few more pieces missing to walk the earth
> again! Put a stake in its heart already!
>
> 92.7 WLIR was a Nassau station that never got great ratings,
> even lost its license at one point and I'm sure that more
> people cry of its loss than EVER listened to it. When they
> sold the signal to WCAA for $62 million (what kinda drugs
> were THEY on) when it might have sold for 6.2 million on a
> good day - TMO had to sell.
>
> Leaving them with 107.1. It's a horrible class A freq that
> gets nowhere and gets chewed up by the other 107.1s in
> Westchester and places in NJ. And what's worse for Morey is
> that it is out in the Hamptons...where no one knows anything
> about the old WLIR or cares less. Yet, TMO keeps trying to
> bank on the old station's history in an area where it has
> none.
>
> How long will THIS attempt at glory last?
>

What strikes me as bizarre is that the time of year they chose to do this. This is a dead time in radio, as Arbitron does not conduct ratings during the holidays, and most stations are running "best of" and automated programs while their regular staff is on vacation. Most format changes around this time of year would happen right after the New Year (like at 92.3 Free FM)
...So they could either be "stunting", or Andre's holding down the fort until they have a whole staff assembled for Jan 3.
 
TMO is such a fly by night organazation... anyone remember about how the press was supposed to go daily? anyone remember the post about the person that went to their offices and letters were falling off of the wall? for quite sometime all i heard on their channel casting stations were press ads... they actually thought they were fooling people...

I know from experience they think that everyone else is stupid other than them... dont beleive me take a look at their media kit http://fmchannelcasting.com/media_kit_05.qxd.pdf
 
> Why was this done so quietly? If they're really bringing
> WLIR back for a long stay, shouldn't there have been a big
> fanfare like the NeoCrap experiment?

You are right. Remember "Comming September 15th, the face of radio will change forever."

and no articles on LongIlandPress.com about the return of LIR & Party?

> > I was actually going to ask...who else thinks this is just
> > another stop-gap move by TMO until they come up with their
> > next "experiment"?

I don't think so. Why not simply keep Neo-Breeze as the stop gap? However, if they are unable to bring back the ratings they may have to try another experiment.
 
Re: Forever Young Kicks off the Return of LIR

> At this point, I'd welcome
> > back Party, but in my opinion, pick a format, play it on
> two
> > or three of their frequencies, giving it some range, and
> > stick with it. Radio-X figured it out, why can't TMO?
> The
> > return of LIR is not a big deal to me, since WLIR died a
> > very long time ago. It would be nice to see them do
> > something right though...
> >
>
> Well, the only problem is that the three signals pretty much
> overlap each other, while Radio X has managed to carve out
> three coverage areas with its three frequencies, with not as
> much overlap. I don't see TMO doing that unless they can
> acquire a few signals to the west, but who would sell?
> Everyone seems to be "holding down the fort" for the time
> being.
>
Is there any room for TMO to get some Low Power Licenses to cover more area?
 
> TMO is such a fly by night organazation... anyone remember
> about how the press was supposed to go daily? anyone
> remember the post about the person that went to their
> offices and letters were falling off of the wall? for quite
> sometime all i heard on their channel casting stations were
> press ads... they actually thought they were fooling
> people...
>
> I know from experience they think that everyone else is
> stupid other than them... dont beleive me take a look at
> their media kit
> http://fmchannelcasting.com/media_kit_05.qxd.pdf
>
I think that radio x should be put onto 107.1, tmo should cut their loses and sell off 107.1 to the, i think, Pine Barrens Radio network. And concentrate on making Party 105 and LI Rock fm channel 98 better and maybe stronger. I for one am happy with 98.5 i like the fact that they have been playing alot of 90's rock lately. Very happy to see Party 105 back as well. Radio X is doing what The Box and LIR fail to do. But i could be wrong and maybe LIR will follow suit of Radio X, but you can't teach an old dog new tricks. We'll have to wait and see. So far i'm not impressed.
 
> >
> I think that radio x should be put onto 107.1, tmo should
> cut their loses and sell off 107.1 to the, i think, Pine
> Barrens Radio network. And concentrate on making Party 105
> and LI Rock fm channel 98 better and maybe stronger. I for
> one am happy with 98.5 i like the fact that they have been
> playing alot of 90's rock lately. Very happy to see Party
> 105 back as well. Radio X is doing what The Box and LIR
> fail to do. But i could be wrong and maybe LIR will follow
> suit of Radio X, but you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
> We'll have to wait and see. So far i'm not impressed.
>
With all due respect to Scotty, I seriously doubt that a LPFM could afford to buy a commercial station.<P ID="signature">______________

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> > >
> > I think that radio x should be put onto 107.1, tmo should
> > cut their loses and sell off 107.1 to the, i think, Pine
> > Barrens Radio network. And concentrate on making Party 105
>
> > and LI Rock fm channel 98 better and maybe stronger. I
> for
> > one am happy with 98.5 i like the fact that they have been
>
> > playing alot of 90's rock lately. Very happy to see Party
>
> > 105 back as well. Radio X is doing what The Box and LIR
> > fail to do. But i could be wrong and maybe LIR will
> follow
> > suit of Radio X, but you can't teach an old dog new
> tricks.
> > We'll have to wait and see. So far i'm not impressed.
> >
> With all due respect to Scotty, I seriously doubt that a
> LPFM could afford to buy a commercial station.
>
However,an existing commercial station scrapping bottom in the ratings,may just want to jump onboard the X train.
 
> With all due respect to Scotty, I seriously doubt that a
> LPFM could afford to buy a commercial station.

Well, somehow they got two translators, Matt! Just to complete the thought of TMO selling 107.1 to Pine Barrens, it could be done (although I would not hold my breath). Pine Barrens could license the freq non-commerical and have a signal out east!

According to radiolocator, WLIX-LP got final approval at the end of September...I remember them testing in August. TMO pulled the plug on their stations and went to cheap-casting in the middle of September. Now all of sudden, TMO decides that WLIR MUST come back with the old modern rock format!!! Why? It seems like somebody must think that Radio-X works and they screwed up, doesn't it?
 
> > With all due respect to Scotty, I seriously doubt that a
> > LPFM could afford to buy a commercial station.
>
> Well, somehow they got two translators, Matt! Just to
> complete the thought of TMO selling 107.1 to Pine Barrens,
> it could be done (although I would not hold my breath).
> Pine Barrens could license the freq non-commerical and have
> a signal out east!

I know it has 2 translators. I also know the costs for the TX for a 6000 watt class A costs 'just a tad more than an 28 watt LPFM, and the two 10W FX's. Hell, the tower rent alone for the 107.1 site would require Radio X to have it be a commercial station (which, IMO, would be perfectly fine). I am 500% for Radio X succeeding, as it is the best thing to hit LI airwaves since all the 'local mom and pop' stations got bought out, but the changes of Radio X going on 107.1 are about as good as Paul Sidney flipping the stereo pilot on WLNG! Then again, I don't know the owner's finances; For all I know Scott won the lotto last yesterday and signed a contract to buy with TMO this afternoon!

> According to radiolocator, WLIX-LP got final approval at the
> end of September...I remember them testing in August. TMO
> pulled the plug on their stations and went to cheap-casting
> in the middle of September. Now all of sudden, TMO decides
> that WLIR MUST come back with the old modern rock format!!!
> Why? It seems like somebody must think that Radio-X works
> and they screwed up, doesn't it?

I think it is much simpler than that - TPTB at TMO probably decided that the NeoSnooze format wasn't working. If ya have something that works, ya don't mess with it. They messed with it, saw it DIDN't work, and fixed it (somewhat).

I, quite seriously, would love to see Radio-X show up on the Arbitrons - I think it can, and would, give alot of the commercial stations a run for their money ratings wise. Does anyone who has the 'subscriber-only' ratings know if it showed up? It will never show up on the 12+ - Arbitron only publishes LPFM's on the "Maximi$er" and the "Media Professional" subscriptions =(.

Happy Holidays to all, and to a prosperous New Year for all *local* stations & staff.

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