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WMAL's Michael graham fired

> Surprisd no one has mentioned this, but Michael Graham was
> fired for "insensitive" remarks.

I don't think Graham would have anything to worry about as he now can write a book and relaunch himself as a "patriot" right wing talk show host, if he wasn't already.

BTW, the "insensitive remarks" turned out to be that Islam as a religion is a terrorist organization.

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> Surprisd no one has mentioned this, but Michael Graham was
> fired for "insensitive" remarks.
>
ht> tp://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45887
>
>
> raham was on WLW's Bill Cunningham show yesterday
> discussingthe incident (Graham occasionally filled in on WLW
> via ISDN for awhile).

I'm a believer in free speech, so I don't think Graham should have been fired for exercising his first amendment rights. I also think that ABC which owns and operates talk stations in seven top ten radio markets (see below) is not correctly exercising its first amendment responsibilities by programming only conservative talkers on all of their stations. With few exceptions (e.g. Bernie Ward and Ray Taliafero on late night on KGO in SF) ABC stations feature a non stop line-up of conservative talkers like Hannity and Limbaugh.

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WABC-AM New York
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I actually looked for a source like the Washington Post but the World Net daily piece is the only one I found quickly. There's no First Amendment issue here..if the talent doesn't own the station, he can be fired for saying what management doesn't want him to say. Try launching into a political diatribe on the local soft A/C station and count the seconds til you're shown the door. As for ABC's stations, they ave to put on the shows with the best ratings potential, not achieve ideological balance. <P ID="signature">______________
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Keep in mind, according to the article he wasn't fired for what he said. He was fired because he wouldn't apologize and wouldn't do additional outreach efferts.

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Drudge: Michael Graham hired by KFI Los Angeles

No article yet but it's mentioned in red type on his front page.

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.drudgereport.com>Link: Drudge Report</a>
 
> Keep in mind, according to the article he wasn't fired for
> what he said. He was fired because he wouldn't apologize and
> wouldn't do additional outreach efferts.

In Rochester, we had/have a talkshow host who referred to our black mayor who was running for county executive as a "monkey at the zoo" and "the monkey is running for county executive" complete with monkey sound effects.

That went over like a lead balloon and he was put in the punishment corner, particularly when he refused sensitivity camp. But unlike WMAL, WHAM put money before integrity and wouldn't actually fire the guy. They just put him away for a few months before bringing him back. He's been more humble on the air since, but the equivalent of his blog is right wing nutty.

The man also celebrated his Mormon values... by getting married and de-virginizing the woman and then leaving her in Utah in the dead of night leaving her parents wondering where the heck he went. Marriage over, but ironically he continued his show on the "Family Values Talk Network" in Utah via ISDN line safely back here in Rochester. You needn't practice what you preach.

As to Michael Graham, apparently he said such things about Islam not less than 30 times, and made several even more outrageous remarks. A lot of these people outraged by Graham's dismissal weren't as outraged when Stern was getting fined (especially after he started attacking Bush) by the FCC. Graham belongs in the same box as racist Bob Grant, who was escorted out the door at WABC for referring to blacks as "screaming savages," "maggots," and "primates." Of course WOR hired him promptly after that.

Now that the people in Los Angeles will have to endure Graham, my original comment turned out to be correct - he gets a new gig and a self-made platform to run at the mouth, at least until he says something like Los Angeles is overrun with [insert deregatory slang for Mexicans here] working with Al-Qaeda. Since Pat Robertson has uncovered this amazing link between Muslims and Latinos (he's been drinking too many of his diet shakes), that will become the new line from his pals soon enough.
 
Re: Drudge: Michael Graham hired by KFI Los Angeles

> No article yet but it's mentioned in red type on his front
> page.
>
> Link: Drudge Report
>

It didn't take Graham long to get back on his feet, did it?
 
>
> The man also celebrated his Mormon values... by getting
> married and de-virginizing the woman and then leaving her in
> Utah in the dead of night leaving her parents wondering
> where the heck he went.

By these comments you are none the better. You are lumping ALL Mormons into a catagory characterized by this one man's behaviour. You've been intelligent up to this point...now your true colors are starting show. Funny thing how that works. You call out all these talk hosts for their apparent "inconsistencies" when you yourself seem to be just as flawed. You want us to be tolerant of a religion that in some sects teach terrorism, but you condemn an organization that teaches morality and a Christain way of life.

Radio Talk Show hosts are hardly perfect. It is the American Public that holds ENTERTAINERS on such a high pedistal. Public Officials should be held to higher standards. People in general should be living more morally, but Talk Show Hosts are not leaders...they are Entertainers. Do you question your doctor's morality? do you question your accountant's morality? Do you question your children's teacher's morality? I think the public has lost sight of what is important and instead of listening to the message you start to find fault with the messenger. Just because the messenger is flawed, does not mean the message is invalid. <P ID="signature">______________



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Graham belongs in the same box as racist Bob
> Grant, who was escorted out the door at WABC for referring
> to blacks as "screaming savages," "maggots," and "primates."
> Of course WOR hired him promptly after that.
>
A common misconception: Bob Grant technically never fired for saying those things... he was canned after saying (paraphrased) he hoped (former DNC Chair) Brown was on a plane that crashed in Europe. He did apoligize for the remark and expressed that he was ashamed of sayign something like that.
The new Disney management was looking to fire him anyway (as well as Jay Diamond) and found their out at that pint. Grant and Diamond were later replaced by watered-down talk hosts (like Sean Hannity), but that move proved to be successful for WABC.
As far as Grant calling blacks "savages" et al, in his defense, he had referred to CRIMINALS and "society's predators" as animals, maggots and savages throughout his career. One cannot truthfully say Grant only referred to black people in those terms -- he did not use those words as racial epithets. That was a common misrepresentation by his ennemies (those opponents of Grant seemed to be the only ones referring to blacks as "savages" and "animals" -- That is, unfortunately typical of those who oppose Grant's point of view.
 
> By these comments you are none the better. You are lumping
> ALL Mormons into a catagory characterized by this one man's
> behaviour.

You misunderstood me. I have nothing against the Mormon religion, nor do I believe that ALL Mormons are anything like this guy. I live about 20 minutes from Palmyra, NY - I am very well aware of the Mormon community and their values. I am saying that it is another example of hypocracy for someone who wears his religion on his sleeve to then condemn people for not living up to the standards that he, himself, does not live up to.

This is an ongoing trend. Dr. Laura condemned people for lifestyle lapses while nude shots of her cavorting with another man suddenly appear and humble her. Rush Limbaugh condemns drug users for their behavior and then wants forgiveness when he is caught with the Oxycontin. William Bennett goes around saying American culture is degrading and our values have gone missing while he hopes that "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" isn't just a slogan. There are just so many examples of this kind of thing.

> You want us to be tolerant of a religion that in
> some sects teach terrorism, but you condemn an organization
> that teaches morality and a Christain way of life.

Well, I wouldn't go that far. There are certain beliefs in the Mormon church that I vehemently disagree with (particularly their only recent toleration of minorities in the highest level of the church and their stands on those with different sexual orientations). The religion is not the problem - the people who interpret it and claim theirs is the only true interpretation are.

> Radio Talk Show hosts are hardly perfect. It is the American
> Public that holds ENTERTAINERS on such a high pedistal.
> Public Officials should be held to higher standards. People
> in general should be living more morally, but Talk Show
> Hosts are not leaders...they are Entertainers.

People like Limbaugh are "entertainers" when they get into trouble, but are "leaders" and "if you were on the air we would have never lost the Vietnam War" when they claim moral authority. Even Newt Gingrich believes the GOP would never have succeeded in taking over Congress in 1994 without talk radio. There is a reason nations spend billions of dollars on international broadcasting - it can be a very effective propaganda tool and can influence a lot of people.

> Do you question your doctor's morality? do you question your
> accountant's morality? Do you question your children's
> teacher's morality? I think the public has lost sight of
> what is important and instead of listening to the message
> you start to find fault with the messenger.

It would depend on the circumstance. In general, if a doctor or accountant was doing something unethical, I would be concerned. If a teacher was running around with false credentials, I'd be bothered by that.

> Just because the messenger is flawed, does not mean the message
> is invalid.

Not always, but not never either. If a messenger had a reputation of lying, I would be questioning the message from that person a lot more. I don't simply accept things without checking them out myself.
 
> Surprisd no one has mentioned this, but Michael Graham was
> fired for "insensitive" remarks.
>

He's been hired by KFI in Los Angeles.. Clear Channel understands what talk radio is. disney does not

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> Graham belongs in the same box as racist Bob
> > Grant, who was escorted out the door at WABC for referring
>
> > to blacks as "screaming savages," "maggots," and
> "primates."
> > Of course WOR hired him promptly after that.
> >
> A common misconception: Bob Grant technically never fired
> for saying those things... he was canned after saying
> (paraphrased) he hoped (former DNC Chair) Brown was on a
> plane that crashed in Europe. He did apoligize for the
> remark and expressed that he was ashamed of sayign something
> like that.
> The new Disney management was looking to fire him anyway (as
> well as Jay Diamond) and found their out at that pint.
> Grant and Diamond were later replaced by watered-down talk
> hosts (like Sean Hannity), but that move proved to be
> successful for WABC.
> As far as Grant calling blacks "savages" et al, in his
> defense, he had referred to CRIMINALS and "society's
> predators" as animals, maggots and savages throughout his
> career. One cannot truthfully say Grant only referred to
> black people in those terms -- he did not use those words
> as racial epithets. That was a common misrepresentation by
> his ennemies (those opponents of Grant seemed to be the only
> ones referring to blacks as "savages" and "animals" -- That
> is, unfortunately typical of those who oppose Grant's point
> of view.
>

So if they weren't weren't to be used as racial epithets, what were they to be used as? Terms of endearment?

Thanks for defending radio racism. <P ID="signature">______________
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The criminals were who he called "savages", not blacks in general.<P ID="signature">______________
Greetings from Ohio-where the governor wants everyone to know he's sorry.</P>
 
> > As far as Grant calling blacks "savages" et al, in his
> > defense, he had referred to CRIMINALS and "society's
> > predators" as animals, maggots and savages throughout his
> > career. One cannot truthfully say Grant only referred to
> > black people in those terms -- he did not use those
> words
> > as racial epithets. That was a common misrepresentation
> by
> > his ennemies (those opponents of Grant seemed to be the
> only
> > ones referring to blacks as "savages" and "animals" --
> That
> > is, unfortunately typical of those who oppose Grant's
> point
> > of view.
> >
>
> So if they weren't weren't to be used as racial epithets,
> what were they to be used as? Terms of endearment?
>
> Thanks for defending radio racism.
>
Racism, really, is automatically assuming someone is referring to black people when saying the word "savage."

I do find that most people who call Grant "racist" have either never heard his show or only heard a very small sample.
 
> As far as Grant calling blacks "savages" et al, in his
> defense, he had referred to CRIMINALS and "society's
> predators" as animals, maggots and savages throughout his
> career. One cannot truthfully say Grant only referred to
> black people in those terms -- he did not use those words
> as racial epithets. That was a common misrepresentation by
> his ennemies (those opponents of Grant seemed to be the only
> ones referring to blacks as "savages" and "animals" -- That
> is, unfortunately typical of those who oppose Grant's point
> of view.

Well, I don't deny he may have said those things as well, but it turns out to be untrue that he didn't use the words as racial epithats. Here are some delightful samples:

"The U.S. has millions of sub-humanoids, savages, who really would feel more at home careening along the sands of the Kalahari or the dry deserts of eastern Kenya--people who, for whatever reason, have not become civilized." (1/6/92) He declared (10/15/93) that "if they didn't observe Martin King Day, there would be trouble from the savages."

Grant has referred to black churchgoers as "screaming savages" (4/30/93); he's said (7/15/93) that black fraternity members represent "the savage mind, the primitive, primordial mentality." After overcrowding at a charity event led to deaths, Grant referred to the crowd (1/6/92) as "the 3,000 to 5,000 savages who showed up for the rap stars' basketball game."

Haitian refugees are "swine" and "sub-human infiltrators" who multiply "like maggots on a hot day" (3/20/92). AIDS in Haiti, according to Grant (6/28/94), is "not prevalent enough; there's too many of them."

African-Americans are not the only target of Grant's bile: He remarked after a gay pride parade (6/29/94), "Ideally, it would have been nice to have a few phalanxes of policemen with machine guns and mow them down."

"I can't take these screaming savages, whether they're in that A.M.E. Church, the African Methodist church, or in the street, burning, robbing, looting" 4/30/93.

Then, on the Larry King Show of 4/30/96, Grant pulled a Pat Robertson first claiming to be misquoted and then had the nerve to claim that he'd never put down an entire race and was only talking about rioters in the post Rodney King verdict LA teardown. Of course, many of his rants came well before Rodney King was even an issue, and most of the ones noted above had nothing to do with the LA incident in any event.

Just as Robertson has learned, your own mouth can do a lot of damage when you forget people actually listen and can take down what you say. Limbaugh is learning that about his Cindy Sheehan "faked it" comments which he later denied making, despite there being a tape of it.

In the case of Bob Grant, it's like giving Verne "Oz" Schillinger his own talk show.
 
Graham joins right-wing webcaster, NOT KFI

ALPINE, Wyo., Aug. 24 /PRNewswire/ -- Controversial talk show host Michael Graham will be joining the web based conservative radio network RIGHTALK.com as of Monday August 29th. Graham, recently released from WMAL in Washington D.C. over controversial remarks about Islam, will be hosting a daily program at noon eastern called "Michael Graham Unleashed." He has not moved his show to KFI, as some in the media have reported.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050824/dcw027.html?.v=22
 
Graham joins right-wing webcaster, AND AT KFI part time

> ALPINE, Wyo., Aug. 24 /PRNewswire/ -- Controversial talk
> show host Michael Graham will be joining the web based
> conservative radio network RIGHTALK.com as of Monday August
> 29th. Graham, recently released from WMAL in Washington D.C.
> over controversial remarks about Islam, will be hosting a
> daily program at noon eastern called "Michael Graham
> Unleashed." He has not moved his show to KFI, as some in the
> media have reported.
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050824/dcw027.html?.v=22
>

BUT!!!! Michael Graham will be doing part-time airshifts (and fill-in) at KFI. It is correct "The Michael Graham Show" will not be moving to KFI as a regular feature. He will be part-time/fill-in: KFI confirmed that yesterday.

Your subject line could be misleading, so I hope this helps correct somewhat.
 
It's easy to take quotes out of an anti-conservative talk host publication out of context, date them and post them to prove your point... unfortunately, if you realy read what Grant had said you would find that he is agains the criminal element in society:

"The U.S. has millions of sub-humanoids, savages, who really
> would feel more at home careening along the sands of the
> Kalahari or the dry deserts of eastern Kenya--people who,
> for whatever reason, have not become civilized." (1/6/92) He
> declared (10/15/93) that "if they didn't observe Martin King
> Day, there would be trouble from the savages."


There ARE people who come into this country in order to destroy it... I seem to remember about 20 of them coming here before 2001. Also, those with ties to Al-Qieda have been hiding for some time -- some have been exposed (remeber the Western New York cell?).
...as for MLK Day anf the "savages," Grant does tend to refer to rioters and racial terrorists in that respect. Remember Crown Heights?



After overcrowding at a
> charity event led to deaths, Grant referred to the crowd
> (1/6/92) as "the 3,000 to 5,000 savages who showed up for
> the rap stars' basketball game."
>
I think you sohuld look into what actually happened at the game. If the people at the "charity event" were civil and just watched the game, Grant would never have talked about it or referred to the rioters as "savages"


>
> "I can't take these screaming savages, whether they're in
> that A.M.E. Church, the African Methodist church, or in the
> street, burning, robbing, looting" 4/30/93.
>
Again, NYC had seen rioters and looters come out of serious tragedies in the city. While some have tried to discuss the issue in a civil manner, others (and some Black Ministers included) chose to incite people to hate "whitey" -- similar to the samoe white "ministers" in supremist "churches" whom Grant had also referred to as "subhuman" in the past who incite people to hate "blackey."

(I could Continue, but...)

Okay, I get it -- you don't agree with Bob Grant. That's fine, this is America. Ripping off out-of-context quotes, however, from Lefty talkign points sites or other anti-Grant publications will never be the same as listening to the man himself. You may not agree, but at least he calls them like he sees them. Limbaugh is a showman, but Grant speaks his true mind without "dressing it up: for the masses who may misinterpret them -- it's their loss.

On a lighter note: The guy who played Schillinger on "Oz" is quite talented -- he should be on TV more -- and the same goes for the guy wh played Beecher.
 
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