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WMAL's Michael graham fired

> It's easy to take quotes out of an anti-conservative talk
> host publication out of context, date them and post them to
> prove your point....

Yeah because they would represent actual facts, not claims by a host caught with his pants down that he was "misquoted." You are trying a Robertson and it's just not going to work.

> There ARE people who come into this country in order to
> destroy it... I seem to remember about 20 of them coming
> here before 2001.

Yeah, and most were Saudis, trained in Afghanistan by Osama bin Laden, and our answer is... invade Iraq. BTW, Bob Grant wasn't talking about Saudi terrorists, if only because there don't seem to be any attending AME churches. They also weren't from Haiti and likely didn't have AIDS either.

> Okay, I get it -- you don't agree with Bob Grant. That's
> fine, this is America. Ripping off out-of-context quotes,
> however, from Lefty talkign points sites or other anti-Grant
> publications will never be the same as listening to the man
> himself.

There is no way any of the remarks I quoted the man saying, even in what he would call "context" would be anything less than racist diatribes. I'm not sure how anyone can dress up comments that AIDS isn't killing enough people to make it all sweetness and light, much less calling a churchgoing African-American as a "savage."

Don't make Pat Robertson-style excuses for the man. It makes you look like an apologist.

> You may not agree, but at least he calls them like
> he sees them. Limbaugh is a showman, but Grant speaks his
> true mind without "dressing it up: for the masses who may
> misinterpret them -- it's their loss.

Yeah, I guess the majority of people outraged by such remarks just don't get it without the secret decoder ring and slogan playbook that the racists in the audience already have.

If a Democrat like Dick Durbin tried this technique with his comments about the quality of prisoner treatment in Gitmo, somehow I don't think his conservative critics would just roll up the protest tent and parade and head on home because Durbin was actually only talking about convicted felon soldiers. He did the decent thing and apologized.

> On a lighter note: The guy who played Schillinger on "Oz"
> is quite talented -- he should be on TV more -- and the
> same goes for the guy wh played Beecher.

I agree. I enjoy seeing these people all turn up on Law & Order at one time or another, although watching "Verne" become Dr. Emil Skoda is a whiplash moment.
 
> Yeah because they would represent actual facts, not claims
> by a host caught with his pants down that he was
> "misquoted." You are trying a Robertson and it's just not
> going to work.

agreed and there is Media Matters.....its a good START, not finish to see the video or audio then with a little digging, one can easily get the picture. Dampier is right...there is no "misauote" issue >


> Yeah, and most were Saudis, trained in Afghanistan by Osama
> bin Laden, and our answer is... invade Iraq. BTW, Bob Grant
> wasn't talking about Saudi terrorists, if only because there
> don't seem to be any attending AME churches. They also
> weren't from Haiti and likely didn't have AIDS either.

And they aren't coming from Mexico or other contries ....so they can be morphed into the next threat de jour by this horrible administration. More division over solution...thats the way to go....NOT!

> Yeah, I guess the majority of people outraged by such
> remarks just don't get it without the secret decoder ring
> and slogan playbook that the racists in the audience already
> have.

Gee, I'd love to see how you like the hate and racism by Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and now Melanie Morgan.....
 
> It's easy to take quotes out of an anti-conservative talk
> host publication out of context, date them and post them to
> prove your point... unfortunately, if you realy read what
> Grant had said you would find that he is agains the criminal
> element in society:

additional thought: Only the right can be "misquoted" based on what you are saying? That seems so strange when these hosts "bust" themselves by having audio and video (as Stephanie Miller so made it clear) immediately after the intitial offense or gaffe.

Gee, when Hannity or Coulter and Morgan, put words in Cindy Sheehan's mouth...the right lambasted her when she said "those aren't my words" or someone defending Sheehan lays out the proof that she didn't say what she said...

GOP/Right Wingers have a problem with "lying ears and eyes" when it comes to the truth....
 
PD Bloomquist gone as well?

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> > It's easy to take quotes out of an anti-conservative talk
> > host publication out of context, date them and post them
> to
> > prove your point... unfortunately, if you realy read
> what
> > Grant had said you would find that he is agains the
> criminal
> > element in society:
>
> additional thought: Only the right can be "misquoted" based
> on what you are saying? That seems so strange when these
> hosts "bust" themselves by having audio and video (as
> Stephanie Miller so made it clear) immediately after the
> intitial offense or gaffe.

I doubt any of these "critics" of Bob Grant have heard these comments... If they had, they would have heard the actual context of them. As a regular listener of Grant, he does say things that can be construed as "racist," but hes' one of those guys you cannot understand through soundbites. He, like many other hosts, have said their share of "objectionable" things. (If the truth should be known, listen to some of his callers -- they can get pretty bad with the racism). Would it have been fair of me to take the conservative criticism of what Randi Rhodes said about killing the President as the word of ultimate truth without hearing the whole segment or program? I think not... We know she hates Bush, but does she really advocate assassination? Doubtfully... On the same token, hearing Bob Grant go off on certain politicians (Cuomo, Florio, Rangel, etc), provocateurs (Sharpton, Jackson, etc) and criminals (O.J Simpson, Saddam Hussein, etc.) I find Grant to be more of an equal opportunity insulter than a racist.



> Gee, when Hannity or Coulter and Morgan, put words in Cindy
> Sheehan's mouth...the right lambasted her when she said
> "those aren't my words" or someone defending Sheehan lays
> out the proof that she didn't say what she said...
>
Do you mean: ''Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC [Project for the New American Century, a neoconservative think thank] Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel." -- C. Sheehan... by YOUR logic i.e. Bob Grant, she would be considered "Anti-Semetic." I don't think I need to get into her loving support for her "Attickus Finch," Lynne Stewart.


> GOP/Right Wingers have a problem with "lying ears and eyes"
> when it comes to the truth....
>
Go ahead, make it political -- I was bringing up a point on how people tend to want to kick someone they disagree with and trust soundbites without giving any benefit of the doubt. Thank you for helping me.
 
> Yeah because they would represent actual facts, not claims
> by a host caught with his pants down that he was
> "misquoted." You are trying a Robertson and it's just not
> going to work.

Is "trying a Robertson" the new Leftist Buzz Phrase? Get your head out of the sand -- virtually nobody of note takes this guy seriously anymore...
As far as quotes representing "facts" -- they were presented mainly to promote the compiler's opinion on Bob Grant not the real facts.


> > There ARE people who come into this country in order to
> > destroy it... I seem to remember about 20 of them coming
> > here before 2001.
>
> Yeah, and most were Saudis, trained in Afghanistan by Osama
> bin Laden, and our answer is... invade Iraq. BTW, Bob Grant
> wasn't talking about Saudi terrorists, if only because there
> don't seem to be any attending AME churches. They also
> weren't from Haiti and likely didn't have AIDS either.

You take personal offense to what Grant says... fine -- he's doing his job. Is that a reason to label him a racist?



> > however, from Lefty talkign points sites or other
> anti-Grant
> > publications will never be the same as listening to the
> man
> > himself.
>
> There is no way any of the remarks I quoted the man saying,
> even in what he would call "context" would be anything less
> than racist diatribes. I'm not sure how anyone can dress up
> comments that AIDS isn't killing enough people to make it
> all sweetness and light, much less calling a churchgoing
> African-American as a "savage."

African Americans Grant has called a "savage" include the likes of Lemrick Nelson and Colin Ferguson (sp?) -- let's not dress it up...



> Don't make Pat Robertson-style excuses for the man. It
> makes you look like an apologist.
>
Giving your new buzz phrase more exercise??

> > You may not agree, but at least he calls them like
> > he sees them. Limbaugh is a showman, but Grant speaks his
>
> > true mind without "dressing it up: for the masses who may
> > misinterpret them -- it's their loss.
>
> Yeah, I guess the majority of people outraged by such
> remarks just don't get it without the secret decoder ring
> and slogan playbook that the racists in the audience already
> have.
>
> If a Democrat like Dick Durbin tried this technique with his
> comments about the quality of prisoner treatment in Gitmo,
> somehow I don't think his conservative critics would just
> roll up the protest tent and parade and head on home because
> Durbin was actually only talking about convicted felon
> soldiers. He did the decent thing and apologized.
>
Everyone has the right to disagree and criticize, I would draw the line at taking engineered snippets and calling someone a racist becasue of them. Grant is a professional broadcaster who showed his remorse for that Rob Brown comment on WABC, but still will not water down his show, or else he'd sound like those tree-hugging hippies Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.


> > On a lighter note: The guy who played Schillinger on "Oz"
>
> > is quite talented -- he should be on TV more -- and
> the
> > same goes for the guy wh played Beecher.
>
> I agree. I enjoy seeing these people all turn up on Law &
> Order at one time or another, although watching "Verne"
> become Dr. Emil Skoda is a whiplash moment.

Good point, I also think Christopher Merloni is excellent -- and I see the guy who played "Nappa" on "Oz" in a lot of shows as a guest -- usually a villain. HBO really found some talent for that series.
>
 
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