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WNCI 97.9 now streaming

But what does that say about building penetration? 175,000 Watts vs. 20,000 watts? My uninformed speculation would be that you could get WNCI in a fallout shelter in the middle of downtown Columbus 50 feet below ground. Again I could be wrong, I am definitely not a radio engineer.

> If you go to the FCC's website, or any of the others, and
> pull up WNCI, and compare it to WBNS, WLVQ, WCOL, WBZX,
> WSNY, they all have nearly the same coverage. A 22kW
> non-directional station at 1,000 feet is going to have
> nearly the same coverage area of a 175kW directional station
> at 500 feet (yes WNCI is directional).
>
> All of the following is there 54dBu service contour, and all
> very comperable to each other. I am not including WLZT
> because their tower is south of all of these, so they have
> more southern coverage than the others...
>
> WNCI:
> http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM296463.html
>
>
> WBNS-FM:
> http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM75691.html
>
> WSNY:
> http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM78811.html
>
> WLVQ:
> http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM55704.html
>
> WCOL-FM:
> http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM132098.html
>
>
> WBZX:
> http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM120739.html
>
>
>
>
> >
> > I don't think it's feasible to go up against WNCI though,
> I
> > don't think it has anything to do with guts. WBNS may
> have
> > a 20,000 watt transmitter but they just aren't going to be
>
> > able to compete with a 175,000 watt. (Yes I know height
> > plays into it but bottom line is, it's hard to mess around
>
> > with a flamethrower like WNCI). I have always maintained
> if
> > WNCI had similar coverage and power as some of the other
> > stations in the market, they would not be such a
> consistent
> > powerhouse.
> >
>
 
Direct from the FCC's website...

Licensee: CITICASTERS LICENSES, L.P.
Directional Antenna ID No.: 13443 Pattern Rotation: 0.00
Antenna Make: - Antenna Model: -
No. of antenna sections: -

Relative Field values for directional antenna Relative Field polar plot
Relative field values do not include any pattern rotation that may be indicated above.

0° 0.740 60° 0.505 120° 0.635 180° 0.830 240° 1.000 300° 0.780 10° 0.715 70° 0.480 130° 0.660 190° 0.960 250° 0.980 310° 0.760 20° 0.685 80° 0.495 140° 0.680 200° 0.920 260° 0.960 320° 0.760 30° 0.655 90° 0.520 150° 0.720 210° 0.960 270° 0.910 330° 0.750 40° 0.605 100° 0.555 160° 0.750 220° 0.980 280° 0.860 340° 0.760 50° 0.550 110° 0.600 170° 0.760 230° 1.000 290° 0.820 350° 0.760

If you look at the other stations, they don't list something like this, or say "relative field values for directional antenna". That's how I know they are a directional station. Also look at their tower on One Nationwide, those bays at the top are not circular for omni-directional broadcast, unlike the other bays lower on the same tower. As for who they protect? I don't know, but I think the high power that they are may have something to do with the directional signal. If you look at the map again, their signal has a more South and West coverage than in other directions.

> How is WNCI directional and who do they protect? In all the
> traveling I've done around Ohio, I can't remember their
> signal being noticeably poorer in any particular direction
> than another. In fact, they're usually the last Columbus
> station you hear driving away from the city. And the pattern
> on the map has no discernable directional qualities, except
> for those small bumps near Marion and Chillicothe.
>
 
> How is WNCI directional and who do they protect? In all the
> traveling I've done around Ohio, I can't remember their
> signal being noticeably poorer in any particular direction
> than another. In fact, they're usually the last Columbus
> station you hear driving away from the city. And the pattern
> on the map has no discernable directional qualities, except
> for those small bumps near Marion and Chillicothe.

They are weakest to the west. The map doesn't show it, but you start losing the signal's full strength near Springfield, about 30 miles West of Columbus.
 
WNCI is directional and looking at the pattern that is on the FCC web site they are weaker to the east and north east, mostly likely due to WKDD up in Akron at 98.1 with 50k

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplo...&p330=0.750&p340=0.760&p350=0.760&p360=0.740&

> Direct from the FCC's website...
>
> Licensee: CITICASTERS LICENSES, L.P.
> Directional Antenna ID No.: 13443
> Pattern Rotation: 0.00
> Antenna Make: - Antenna Model: -
> No. of antenna sections: -
>
> Relative Field values for directional antenna
> Relative Field polar plot
> Relative field values do not include any pattern rotation
> that may be indicated above.
>
> 0° 0.740 60° 0.505 120° 0.635 180° 0.830
> 240° 1.000 300° 0.780 10° 0.715 70° 0.480
> 130° 0.660 190° 0.960 250° 0.980 310°
> 0.760 20° 0.685 80° 0.495 140° 0.680
> 200° 0.920 260° 0.960 320° 0.760 30° 0.655
> 90° 0.520 150° 0.720 210° 0.960 270° 0.910
> 330° 0.750 40° 0.605 100° 0.555 160°
> 0.750 220° 0.980 280° 0.860 340° 0.760
> 50° 0.550 110° 0.600 170° 0.760 230° 1.000
> 290° 0.820 350° 0.760
>
> If you look at the other stations, they don't list something
> like this, or say "relative field values for directional
> antenna". That's how I know they are a directional station.
> Also look at their tower on One Nationwide, those bays at
> the top are not circular for omni-directional broadcast,
> unlike the other bays lower on the same tower. As for who
> they protect? I don't know, but I think the high power that
> they are may have something to do with the directional
> signal. If you look at the map again, their signal has a
> more South and West coverage than in other directions.
>
> > How is WNCI directional and who do they protect? In all
> the
> > traveling I've done around Ohio, I can't remember their
> > signal being noticeably poorer in any particular direction
>
> > than another. In fact, they're usually the last Columbus
> > station you hear driving away from the city. And the
> pattern
> > on the map has no discernable directional qualities,
> except
> > for those small bumps near Marion and Chillicothe.
> >
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Allfirdup on 01/27/06 07:33 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: WDIF 94.3

> That's a Hot AC/Mix format, not a CHR. That's like Mix 94.1
> in Cincy, Mix 107.7 in Dayton, etc. There are probably more
> Mix format stations than Kiss' within CC.
>

Oh check again, If you listen to WDIF their playlist leans wayyy more CHR than Hot AC(like 107.7 or 94.1 would fall in Hot AC) that play 50 Cent and other stuff that you'd not hear on a "mix" station, so I would say they lean more CHR than HotAC...

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Re: WDIF 94.3

> > That's a Hot AC/Mix format, not a CHR. That's like Mix
> 94.1
> > in Cincy, Mix 107.7 in Dayton, etc. There are probably
> more
> > Mix format stations than Kiss' within CC.
> >
>
> Oh check again, If you listen to WDIF their playlist leans
> wayyy more CHR than Hot AC(like 107.7 or 94.1 would fall in
> Hot AC) that play 50 Cent and other stuff that you'd not
> hear on a "mix" station, so I would say they lean more CHR
> than HotAC...
>
> Matt-
>
WDIF is more Kiss Like than Mix like and I think WDIF is listed as an Adult CHR not Hot AC.
 
> I think the innate nature of a pop music station is probably
> what grates on some people's nerves. Think about it... they
> are restricted to a very limited set of music to stay
> "fresh" and "current" or else they will be criticized for
> being stale/old/not current. If you listen to WNCI on a
> Saturday while painting your house, you will hear the same
> pop song maybe 5 or 6 times in a full day. Other formats
> can avoid that because their playlist is so much bigger.
> Ted/Jack formats, you may go an entire day and not hear any
> repeats. That's appealing to me but definitely not possible
> in a CHR (imho).

Anyone in radio complaining about hearing the same song multiple times a day on a CHR station clearly shows why some of you are on the sidelines.

Simply put: you don't know what the hell you're talking about and/or doing.

Anyone with an inkling of programming common sense or has looked at any research in, oh...I'd say almost a decade...knows the listening habits/trend of the CHR P1. The core wants to hear their favorite song NOW. Also CHR are not meant to have huge TSL's. CHR's are meant to be cume monsters. CHR has huge listener turnover. Just because YOU heard it 5 or 6 times in one day, most of their core were lucky enough to hear it twice.

If someone thinks a station "sucks" because they play the hits as they should, I think those people need to look in the mirror. Now, they're looking at the one who truly 'sucks!'
 
> Anyone in radio complaining about hearing the same song
> multiple times a day on a CHR station clearly shows why some
> of you are on the sidelines.
>
> Simply put: you don't know what the hell you're talking
> about and/or doing.
>
> Anyone with an inkling of programming common sense or has
> looked at any research in, oh...I'd say almost a
> decade...knows the listening habits/trend of the CHR P1.
> The core wants to hear their favorite song NOW. Also CHR
> are not meant to have huge TSL's. CHR's are meant to be
> cume monsters. CHR has huge listener turnover. Just
> because YOU heard it 5 or 6 times in one day, most of their
> core were lucky enough to hear it twice.
>
> If someone thinks a station "sucks" because they play the
> hits as they should, I think those people need to look in
> the mirror. Now, they're looking at the one who truly
> 'sucks!'
>

Hey ******** er' I mean richardhead, you're an idiot.

I'll give you another example on why they "suck". WNCI will not play the rap version of Beyonce - Check On It f/ Slim Thug (note the name in the title Slim Thug) but rather only and always playing the non rap version which in my opinion is not as good without Slim Thug.

What about Nelly - Grillz? It's a hit on every other CHR playlist in the country but I guess it's not good enough for WNCI or perhaps they are going to wait another month before they play the song and claim that it's brand new. But wait, there's more.... Fat Joe f/ Nelly - Get It Poppin is still on heavy rotation but the song is old and not even in the American Top 40.

While we're on the subject of old songs on heavy rotation, Ciara f/Missy Elliott 1, 2 Step. How old is this song? Why do they still play it all the time? What about Ghettosuperstar or Here Comes the Hotstepper? Do you want me to go on?

So richardhead, act like your name and go hide in a hole.<P ID="signature">______________
Incognito!

You don't know me.</P>
 
Morons Should Be Incognito

> Hey ******** er' I mean richardhead, you're an idiot.

That's right. New year...same d**khead. Don't you forget it.

Your response is just more proof why you are on the sidelines. You simply haven't a clue about radio anymore (I'll give you the benefit you did at one point).

> I'll give you another example on why they "suck". WNCI will
> not play the rap version of Beyonce - Check On It f/ Slim
> Thug (note the name in the title Slim Thug) but rather only
> and always playing the non rap version which in my opinion
> is not as good without Slim Thug.

This is nothing new, moron. Your CHR's in your more "white bread towns" have played rapless versions before. And this is nothing new from WNCI as they have played rapless versions before. So what? Your point is moot.

> What about Nelly - Grillz? It's a hit on every other CHR
> playlist in the country but I guess it's not good enough for
> WNCI or perhaps they are going to wait another month before
> they play the song and claim that it's brand new. But wait,
> there's more.... Fat Joe f/ Nelly - Get It Poppin is still
> on heavy rotation but the song is old and not even in the
> American Top 40.

"Get It Poppin" still gets quite a few spins on quite a few CHR's. It's called 'testing', moron. Why don't you ask WNCI why they aren't playing "Grillz". It's probably a good reason. One you haven't a clue about.


> While we're on the subject of old songs on heavy rotation,
> Ciara f/Missy Elliott 1, 2 Step. How old is this song? Why
> do they still play it all the time? What about
> Ghettosuperstar or Here Comes the Hotstepper? Do you want me
> to go on?

It's called testing, dip-ish. "1-2-Step" still tests well. And "Ghetto Superstar" and Ini Kamoze test well, too. I don't know how they turn over their gold and I really don't care, as this is not the topic of discussion.

You can go on and on if you only want to make yourself look like a bigger moron than you already are. Good thing aliases exists on boards like this, eh Pink?

Here's an idea, Clueless Wonder: STFU
 
Re: Morons Should Be Incognito

LMAO!

Awe, did somebody piss in your Wheaties today?

Get bent richard.
<P ID="signature">______________
Incognito!

You don't know me.</P>
 
Re: Morons Should Be Incognito

> Get bent richard.

"Get bent"?? Yeah, Bart Simpson called and wanted me to inform you that it's no longer 1990. It hasn't been for quite some time.

Keep on listening to WNCI. A station you hate.

Most people don't listen to stations they don't care for.

Except for you.

Oh yeah. You're probably not listening. You're probably just pulling a playlist off of Mediabase. Way to go. Look forward to your comments when talking about 12-plus ratings.
 
Re: Morons Should Be Incognito

> > Get bent richard.
>
> "Get bent"?? Yeah, Bart Simpson called and wanted me to
> inform you that it's no longer 1990. It hasn't been for
> quite some time.

You're a funny, funny guy there Dick!

>
> Keep on listening to WNCI. A station you hate.

Unfortunately I will, thanks.

>
> Most people don't listen to stations they don't care for.
>
> Except for you.

Well I'm not most people.

>
> Oh yeah. You're probably not listening. You're probably
> just pulling a playlist off of Mediabase. Way to go. Look
> forward to your comments when talking about 12-plus ratings.
>

Now that's funny.
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You don't know me.</P>
 
> >
> >
> > I don't think it's feasible to go up against WNCI though, I
> > don't think it has anything to do with guts. WBNS may have
> > a 20,000 watt transmitter but they just aren't going to be
> > able to compete with a 175,000 watt. (Yes I know height
> > plays into it but bottom line is, it's hard to mess around
> > > with a flamethrower like WNCI). I have always maintained
> if WNCI had similar coverage and power as some of the other
> > stations in the market, they would not be such a consistent
> > powerhouse.
> >
>


I totally disagree with this one. The only thing the NCI gets with 175K is bragging rights, and the ability of their sales people to dupe radio buyers who have no clue that the signals are very similiar.

WNCI has been in the same format for years, and that counts in the minds of listeners and advertizers. As long as they don't make substantial changes, they will remain on or near the top in columbus.

The have been challenged by smaller stations, 107.5 has done quite well, considering its TPO of 1900w or so. If they had a 22kw signal, or BNS adopted their format (for the point of this discussion), WNCI would certianly drop.
 
> But what does that say about building penetration? 175,000
> Watts vs. 20,000 watts? My uninformed speculation would be
> that you could get WNCI in a fallout shelter in the middle
> of downtown Columbus 50 feet below ground. Again I could be
> wrong, I am definitely not a radio engineer.

yes, 175Kw in the city would penetrate better, but if the big one hits, they are not going to be there either...
 
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