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WNWV to flip to AAA "soon"
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They're paying attention. I just heard the original mix of Amy Winehouse's Rehab without Jay-Z in it. Kudos.
rubberchicken said:
THAT is a good thing and hope they do the same with "You Know I'm No Good"
I listened on and off for a few days, and I really like the station, and caught some of Ravenna's show today. She sounded great. Boom plays stuff that I really haven't heard (or heard much) since the Buzzard played it in the 70's. "World Turning" by Fleetwood Mac (even though the RDS was saying Springsteen), and speaking of the Boss, "Thundercrack", which I'm sure is the legit _Tracks_ version, vs. the bootleg version MMS used to play back in the day, which I like better, but Boom prolly can't play that one, but I haven't heard that track on the radio since the 70's. These are just a couple of examples. (BTW, anyone know which live version of "Thundercrack" MMS used to play, as I found several). Maybe NCX plays some of this, but I get bored with them fast.
Also, live versions of some Motown 60's and 70's hits heard. Great mix! I can understand a few times a day rotation of current hot hits (which for the most part are decent selections) that fits their format, but I think that should be scaled back just a tad or two, and my only real gripe is that they seem to have some oldies seemingly in "heavy" rotation, such as "I Feel Good (I Got You)" by James Brown, and one or two by Al Green.
Also, no song titles/artists listed on the HD1 RDS, only on analog.
Also, live versions of some Motown 60's and 70's hits heard. Great mix! I can understand a few times a day rotation of current hot hits (which for the most part are decent selections) that fits their format, but I think that should be scaled back just a tad or two, and my only real gripe is that they seem to have some oldies seemingly in "heavy" rotation, such as "I Feel Good (I Got You)" by James Brown, and one or two by Al Green.
Also, no song titles/artists listed on the HD1 RDS, only on analog.
Re: WNWV music
They have aired "Radio Health Journal" Sundays at 6:00am and "North Coast Conversations" with Bruce Van Dyke (WEOL AM/930's operations manager) at 6:30am. IDK if there was a time change with the BOOM! flip or not...
inter1097 said:
They have aired "Radio Health Journal" Sundays at 6:00am and "North Coast Conversations" with Bruce Van Dyke (WEOL AM/930's operations manager) at 6:30am. IDK if there was a time change with the BOOM! flip or not...
inter1097 said:
No, stations are not required to air any quota of public affairs programming. They are however obligated to offer programming that addresses significant community needs and issues. That does not have to be in the format of long form talk shows. Creative, smart, and well managed stations can meet that obligation in a number of methods woven into their normal programming. For example, the old Buzzards crusade to get the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame located in Cleveland would clearly qualify as a station being responsive to a community issue. Whether they claimed their contributrions as public affairs programming or not, I do not know. It all gets documented in a quarterly Issues/Programs list in the stations public inspection file. You have the right to visit any station during regular business hours and see their Issues/Programs list. It is one of the things that did not get de-regulated. It is also one of the things an FCC inspector is sure to ask to see should the station be inspected. I have been through two inspections in the last 6 years. And yes, in both cases there were no violations.
And no, infomercials do not qualify as PA programming. They qualify as program length commercials.
This is a TERRIBLE mistake. Cleveland is not a AAA market. There will not be a big enough appetite for this genre of music. This format is one of the hardest formats to sell advertising on. This must have been a favorite format of a GM who then sold the idea to the family that runs the stations. I've worked in many radio markets, larger and smaller than Cleveland. This format will fail miserably and then they will make another switch before the year is over. The WAVE had a great position 50% white and 50% black audience. They could play in general market dollars and the black dollars. The problem is, they've never had strong management with enough radio sales experience to get it done. It's really sad the format was changed, because the sales staff didn't get their job done. Well guess what.. it's only going to be tougher. Big Mistake.
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JimmyJames
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"There will not be a big enough appetite for this genre of music. This format is one of the hardest formats to sell advertising on"
Just because this music is under-represented on radio doesn't mean it doesn't sell albums, downloads and concert tickets. People do listen to it. Especially educated adult consumers. And the format is a hard sell for a sales staff who doesn't love the format or live the lifestyle. It's not like selling top 40.
Just because this music is under-represented on radio doesn't mean it doesn't sell albums, downloads and concert tickets. People do listen to it. Especially educated adult consumers. And the format is a hard sell for a sales staff who doesn't love the format or live the lifestyle. It's not like selling top 40.
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nightfly61
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cookie cutter 95.3 wlkr out of norwalk ohio. BAD move on the flip. Many, many Clevelanders will have (near) smooth jazz to listen to. What the hell are ERB thinking?
107.3 Bomb! (and not in a good way)
WLKR and 107-3 are far different in their playlists.
WLKR's music is programmed by Dial-Global (as is sister country WKFM/K-96). WLKR is more jurassic classic hits/rock based.
107-3's music is all picked locally, in-house. Big difference. You can A/B the two and hear the difference immediately.
As for "bombing", why not wait three books and see? .
WLKR's music is programmed by Dial-Global (as is sister country WKFM/K-96). WLKR is more jurassic classic hits/rock based.
107-3's music is all picked locally, in-house. Big difference. You can A/B the two and hear the difference immediately.
As for "bombing", why not wait three books and see? .
YEKIMI said:
Moob 107-3... I can't help but think of Seinfeld. ("I know, I know, it's 'moops!'")
Nathan Obral said:
I think of Newman, because I'm sure he has some pretty big moobs.
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nightfly61
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Now's 92.3's chance to finally succeed. "Smooth 92"...has a ring, yes? Make it the same as 107.3 WAS so they can't go back to it. Only problem, 92.3 has WAY weaker a signal, especially out in the boondocks like Norwalk, Sandusky & The Islands.
Radio 923 is 2nd 18-34 in PPM.
I'd say they are succeeding just fine.
I'd say they are succeeding just fine.
Nightfly wrote:
"Now's 92.3's chance to finally succeed. "Smooth 92"...has a ring, yes? Make it the same as 107.3 WAS so they can't go back to it."
Smooth Jazz is failing all of the country, with the format being dropped left and right. The PPM is to blame, which has been a game changer, showing--in many cases--the urban stations (and stations like The Wave which had a sizable urban audience) didn't really have all that real hour-by-hour listenership. Urban diary holders apparently, too often--more often than any other format--just wrote down their favorite station(s) across the board regardless of when they actually listened or to what.
"Only problem, 92.3 has WAY weaker a signal, especially out in the boondocks like Norwalk, Sandusky & The Islands."
I don't agree with "way weaker signal". 107.3, broadcasting from a tower in Grafton, gets a much better west side signal than 92.3, and hits Norwalk, Sandusky and The Islands much better. Only problem is that those latter mentioned areas are not in the Cleveland ratings---Cuyahoga, Lorain, Lake, Geauga, and Medina counties are the name of the game---but 92.3 is much better on the east side--from a tower in Warrensville Heights---and gets into Lake and Geauga counties, where 107.3 is spotty in those places and those are metro counties. It is about a tie downtown. 107.3 gets into Akron better, but again, Akron is not part of the Cleveland ratings. If 107.3 shows well enough in Akron, they can sell the Akron numbers, but it is a lot smaller a pie.
"Now's 92.3's chance to finally succeed. "Smooth 92"...has a ring, yes? Make it the same as 107.3 WAS so they can't go back to it."
Smooth Jazz is failing all of the country, with the format being dropped left and right. The PPM is to blame, which has been a game changer, showing--in many cases--the urban stations (and stations like The Wave which had a sizable urban audience) didn't really have all that real hour-by-hour listenership. Urban diary holders apparently, too often--more often than any other format--just wrote down their favorite station(s) across the board regardless of when they actually listened or to what.
"Only problem, 92.3 has WAY weaker a signal, especially out in the boondocks like Norwalk, Sandusky & The Islands."
I don't agree with "way weaker signal". 107.3, broadcasting from a tower in Grafton, gets a much better west side signal than 92.3, and hits Norwalk, Sandusky and The Islands much better. Only problem is that those latter mentioned areas are not in the Cleveland ratings---Cuyahoga, Lorain, Lake, Geauga, and Medina counties are the name of the game---but 92.3 is much better on the east side--from a tower in Warrensville Heights---and gets into Lake and Geauga counties, where 107.3 is spotty in those places and those are metro counties. It is about a tie downtown. 107.3 gets into Akron better, but again, Akron is not part of the Cleveland ratings. If 107.3 shows well enough in Akron, they can sell the Akron numbers, but it is a lot smaller a pie.
107-3 booms over most of the Cleveland metro... into Medina and Summit counties.
I listen on my commute home from Akron (The Summit's 'hood) to Sandusky. Only county that is an issue for 107-3, ratings wise, would be Geauga.
Getting into Akron and surrounding areas may not result in ratings, but they can take $$$ out of those area. Revenue trumps ratings, keeping many formats on the air.
I listen on my commute home from Akron (The Summit's 'hood) to Sandusky. Only county that is an issue for 107-3, ratings wise, would be Geauga.
Getting into Akron and surrounding areas may not result in ratings, but they can take $$$ out of those area. Revenue trumps ratings, keeping many formats on the air.
HHH said:
Over by Sandusky, 92.3 has to compete with not one, but two adjacent channels: WOHF/92.1 Bellvue and WVKS/92.5 Toledo. As a result, the tower HAS to be way out to the east at Warrensville Heights, paired with WFHM/95.5, but also has to aim away from Canton so not to compete with WDJQ/92.5 Alliance. 92.3 is just an awful signal for these reasons alone. The other stations in the CBS/Cleveland cluster, WDOK, Q104 and WNCX, ALL are great signals. 92.3 is the red-headed stepchild that hasn't mattered since ditching "Jam'n 92.3" in April 1999.
WNWV's signal issues, as VODood noted, are really only in Geauga County, where first-adjacent WFXJ/107.5 in Ashtabula comes into play. WNWV otherwise doesn't have any challengers directly west or south, save for second-adjacent WXXF/107.7 Loundenville. Of course, they became a full-fledged Cleveland FM signal back in 1965, but always focused towards Lorain County until Z-Rock came in 1987.
"WNWV's signal issues, as VODood noted, are really only in Geauga County,"
And portions of Lake County, too, where they get pretty rough around Painesville.
But, all things considered, WNWV has more desirable coverage than 92.3, that is true.
But both 107.3 and 92.3 are not quite full market, 5 county signals like WDOK, WMJI, WNCX, etc.
Someone posted that WNWV has one of the best signals in Cleveland, and that is what I was challenging, that's all.
The best FM signals in Cleveland are probably WMJI, WNCX, WDOK, WQAL, WMVX, WMMS, WGAR, WZAK, WCPN, WCRF in that order, but probably shuffle a bit depending on direction.
And portions of Lake County, too, where they get pretty rough around Painesville.
But, all things considered, WNWV has more desirable coverage than 92.3, that is true.
But both 107.3 and 92.3 are not quite full market, 5 county signals like WDOK, WMJI, WNCX, etc.
Someone posted that WNWV has one of the best signals in Cleveland, and that is what I was challenging, that's all.
The best FM signals in Cleveland are probably WMJI, WNCX, WDOK, WQAL, WMVX, WMMS, WGAR, WZAK, WCPN, WCRF in that order, but probably shuffle a bit depending on direction.
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