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WNYH goes Korean again

"And just because your tone was so nasty and condescending to me personally that you actually said I am "borderline obnoxious" and you had to justify your importance and righteousness with the fact your are a station owner; which is usually part of the problem and not the solution, tell me the 2 hits by The Originals"

"The Bells" and "Baby I'm For Real".

"And the one from Bobby Taylor and The Vancouvers on Motown's affiliated labels"

"Does Your Mama Know About Me".

"Who wrote the Originals hits"

Marvin Gaye

"And who did the Originals back-up on one of those unreported 6 million sellers that also didn't get certified"

The Originals sang backup on several other Motown hits, most notably "What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted" and "For Once In My Life". Motown never submitted records for gold or platinum certification in the 60s, considering it not worth the money and effort.

"And then tell me the labels."

The Originals were on Soul; Bobby Taylor was on Gordy.

Some other related trivia:

Freddie Gorman of The Originals co-wrote "Please Mr. Postman";

Bobby Taylor was responsible for discovering the Jackson Five (they opened for him at Chicago's Regal Theater in 1968, and he was impressed and arranged an audition for them). Don't believe the hype about "Diana Ross presents the Jackson Five" being the title of their first album, that was for marketing purposes, she didn't discover them. Taylor did.

One of the guitarists for Taylor's group was Tommy Chong, later of Cheech and Chong.

Have a good one.
 
The internet, Joel Whitburn and Joe Osbourne thank you.

What key are those songs in and sorry it took 2 days to gather all that info.
 
rtmusic said:
Thank you MickeyD for telling me how to say "idiot" or "more than crazy" in Korean, but the rest of your post seems to be saying a Korean language programming format has validity and audience, in defense of the format change at WNYH from Oldies to Korean.

I disagree.

The vast majority of listeners and potential listeners to that station are English speaking; even if English is a second language and I could even understand a Korean language format with the American and English Oldies but who in their right mind takes a 25,000 watt station on Long Island and narrowcasts to only Korean speaking people; who in order to live in New York or New Jersey, have to speak English in an English speaking country in 2 adjacent English speaking states or never be able to join the rest of the population.

The goal for any mass media outlet is to gather the most amount of audience to make advertisers feel their message will be heard by the most people the station's entertainment format can generate.

Put in the reverse of what has happened at WNYH, it would be like an all English speaking format broadcasting in the countries of North or South Korea; not enough audience for the format; a bad percentage risk.

Dr Yoon= Kim Jung "I'llin"
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What makes you think I listen to Korean radio? I don't pay attention to it when it is on in my home on 1660. I used to listen to 740 when it had oldies on it during the summer. Koreans do speak English but they get the news from back home and naturally it wouldn't be in English. A little known fact about foreign radio is you have top obtain FCC permission to import and broadcast foreign radio or TV.

The FCC does not control content so a station can program what they like and the guy owns the station to make money and if he can't do it with English he will try Korean. If neither works he will either sell it or pull the plug on it. AM radio is mostly foreign language anyway. There is Chinese, Korean, Russian, and let's not forget Spanish on the AM and FM bands.

There actually is English radio and TV in South Korea it is run by the Armed Forced Network for the troops over there. They pick and choose what they like from American TV and just air it. They are required to remove the commercials but other than tthat they get better TV than we do. I spent 6 months over there during the 1988 Olympics with NBC and that was all we had.
 
rtmusic said:
I'm not knowledgeable concerning the F.C.C.'s rules concerning power usage and whether this is a possible wedge to deny renewal, but it sure will grab the attention of the radio corporation sharks, who own everything except my toilet seat and whose programming for the most part is what's below my toilet seat.

Let's talk about the biggest problem WNYH has, besides the lack of a visionary owner; a humongous Canadian signal that blankets all 740 AM signals throughout the Northeastern region of the U.S at night.

I was told from the owner himself; if all the 740's petition the F.C.C. about this, the U.S. government would put pressure on the Canadian government to either block the signal from interrupting U.S. signals on 740 with some form of directional restrictions and however it's done, end the problem.

The point is, WNYH is licensed to be a 24 Hour, 25,000 watt Giant, and what has happened to this killer potential goldmine is:

1. Religious programming ALL DAY Sunday when every potential listener is on their weekend and the station has their biggest potential listenership and the ability to build following and audience just by giving you great music all day long. Didn't happen.

The idea of separation of Church and State means if I want hear about Jesus, Moses, Buddha, or Mohammed, it shouldn't be on the same station I want to hear about Wilson Pickett, Sam & Dave and Badfinger.

Any good radio stategist would realize if you've given up the idea of broacasting in the evening because of the behemoth Canadian signal, what normal person would give up all day Sunday to get the message across to everyone who is not at work this day to build audience?

2. Wouldn't you think if The Force has been with you, (the F.C.C.) and dealt you a 25,000 watt, 24 hour license, you would spend all your waking time gathering up all the 740's affected by the Canadian signal, and take the ball into your court and get an agreement from all 740's to let you represent them at the F.C.C. to petition the Canadian radio regulatory body to get this problem solved? Duh!

3. It's 2009 going on 2010. I thought Bill Clinton was a great President, except for de-regulating radio making it legal for 1 corporation to be allowed to own every signal they can afford in any given market. The result has been similar, mediocre music programming in all genres and a complete and total unawareness of local music hits played when these songs were new; now sitting there as unplayed Oldies, eliminating all local color to the music programming and a basic turn-off or entertainment disconnect ; depending on your generational vocabulary, to time and place.

As an example in the New York market: In 1984, when WPLJ had been veering toward a Top 40 CHR format because Z100 had really taken off, they played a great record by The Monroes- "What Do All The People Know".
No one in New York radio has played it since because it didn't become a big hit and all the "Corporate" radio owners; including Sirius and XM, aren't from New York and yet, like WNYH, the PEOPLE, AKA, your friggin' audience, knows it, loves it and says, "Oh yeah!, I remember that! It was the mid 80's and I just came back from.... Memories, baby, not the same 150 rotated obvious things like hearing "Do Wah Ditty" and "Brown Eyed Girl" everyday and never hearing "Pretty Flamingo" and "Jackie Wilson, Said" from the same 2 artists.

In conclusion, (for now, because how much bile can I muster up at one time for how crappy radio is everywhere; not to mention the current music scene, one of these big corporations will buy WNYH, and sort-of do the right thing with the wrong music and once again miss the mark with the New York area audience.

For all of you who loved the "not-your-average-Oldies-Mix" from WNYH, twice around, already; the wonderful music programmer is a lovely lady originally from Brooklyn, living on Long Island, who knows what 77 WABC Musicradio, WMCA Good Guys, Murray The K and Frankie Crocker's WBLS means to all of us who lived through great New York radio and the music that gets to us. As Odyssey once said in 1977, she's a "Native New Yorker". That's the point.

New York Radio Listeners Unite!

Throw these corporations outta here and back to Dallas or resign yourself to fire-up "My Juanita", "Pulling Mussels From A Shell" & "Tell Her No" on your iPod with an adapter to plug into your cigarette lighter and plant a chia-pet in the empty cavity of what used to be your radio.
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The station has been on an STA to operate at 6250 watts day and 10 watts at night. The FCC just renewed the STA on 10/09/2009. According to the application they are having transmission line problems.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...xt=25&appn=101337012&formid=911&fac_num=29259
 
rtmusic said:
Lastly; the active radio listeners to WNYH would have shown up on Arbitron above many of those stations with .01; but if you don't subscribe you don't get listed...
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Not true. I jocked at stations that scored in the Arbitrons even though they didn't suscribe. One of those stations, I actually won the book in the market!

After reading all these posts, I wouldn't be surprised if people pine for the days of WGSM?
 
"The internet, Joel Whitburn and Joe Osbourne thank you. What key are those songs in and sorry it took 2 days to gather all that info."

Oh no you don't pal.

You asked, I answered.

I didn't know there was a time limit, sorry I don't live on these boards on Saturdays and Sundays when college and pro football is on. I have my priorities straight.

Yeah, I used Whitburn. I have absolutely no idea who Joe Osbourne is, though. And I knew that about Originals without Whitburn. Show me where in Whitburn it shows them singing backup....or that Gorman co-wrote Please Mr. Postman. Or that Taylor discovered the Jacksons. It aint there.

But no more, I aint getting into question after question about second-tier oldies song trivia with you. If I answer your "key" question, what's next, what color underpants did their bass-player wear that day? Forget it. You had your chance to ask questions and I answered. This game is over.

And so is WNYH.

And like the previous poster stated (and I stated before but you didn't listen) you don't have to purchase the Arbitron rating to get listed in them.
 
While WNYH was good when they played classical rock, the 740 AM Toronto station is much much better. I listened to it in the car when WNYH went off the air at night and over the internet at home. An excellent station.
 
MarcB said:
Ok. I admit I was wrong. Anyway BRING BACK THE COUNTRY FORMAT!
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No you don't! You want the Radio Cantico Nuevo format!

MarcB said:
Radio Korea (or whatever they're calling WNYH) is one of the worst sounding radio stations that I have ever heard and it has nothing to do with the fact they're running Korean programming.
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I've heard worse. Somewhere around the 990 frequency, perhaps? ;)
 
Absolutely incredible that the most active thread the LI board has seen this year is about this leased-time AM station. I wonder if that's an indictment about how (un)interesting Long Island radio is in general.
 
bub said:
No you don't! You want the Radio Cantico Nuevo format!
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They're already on 540 on Long Island. Another station that once had a good format. (Adult Standards). Some of the stuff that they aired when they ran Business Talk Radio Network was pretty good too. And now that 740 is running Radio Korea, I replaced it in my presets in my car with WCBS 880, meaning now the only AM Music station I have preset is a Spanish speaking Music station. WLAT 910 licensed to New Britain, CT.
 
neo11 said:
Absolutely incredible that the most active thread the LI board has seen this year is about this leased-time AM station. I wonder if that's an indictment about how (un)interesting Long Island radio is in general.
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That's because WNYH played great Oldies Music prior to their flip to Radio Korea. Besides. Whatelse is there to report? I mean WALK A/F has been for sale for a few years now and no buyers yet.
 
MarcB said:
neo11 said:
Absolutely incredible that the most active thread the LI board has seen this year is about this leased-time AM station. I wonder if that's an indictment about how (un)interesting Long Island radio is in general.
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That's because WNYH played great Oldies Music prior to their flip to Radio Korea. Besides. Whatelse is there to report? I mean WALK A/F has been for sale for a few years now and no buyers yet.
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Yes, and it was quite well-known that it was a "filler" until they managed to sell some airtime.
 
lalumia said:
someone on Long Island needs to fill the AM oldies void;
maybe Shannon's "True Oldies" channel?
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Sure. Someone just needs to buy 540 WLIE from Principle Broadcasting and then evict Radio Cantico Nuevo from the airwaves. Of course someone could buy WNYH from the Korean Doctor, but the station needs so much work it might be cheaper to just buy WLIE.

I was gonna say the whoever buys WALK A/F from Clear Channel (read: ALOHA TRUST) could put it on 1370 AM, but I don't suppose 1370 goes out too far.
 
MarcB said:
lalumia said:
someone on Long Island needs to fill the AM oldies void;
maybe Shannon's "True Oldies" channel?
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Sure. Someone just needs to buy 540 WLIE from Principle Broadcasting and then evict Radio Cantico Nuevo from the airwaves. Of course someone could buy WNYH from the Korean Doctor, but the station needs so much work it might be cheaper to just buy WLIE.

I was gonna say the whoever buys WALK A/F from Clear Channel (read: ALOHA TRUST) could put it on 1370 AM, but I don't suppose 1370 goes out too far.
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The big question is: would the oldies format make more money than what those stations bring in from the paid programming (and 540 in particular, which actually seems to never have trouble selling its airtime)?
 
Just like the debate over on the NYC board a few months back over bringing back the WNEW calls to 102.7, I don't think anyone will actually care if the WGSM calls are returned to 740, particularly if it continues its leased-time programming which no one listens to.
 
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