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Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

KWBU, Waco, TX PBS, ceased broadcasting on 7/31/2010. With only 1600 members, they were forced to shut down when they were unable to secure additional funding from Baylor University.

The Waco market continues to be served by PBS station KNCT out of Killeen.
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

dhett said:
Another station officially bit the dust last week: KEJB 43 of El Dorado AR. Apparently, the station never made the digital conversion. It had a CP to flash cut to DTV operations that expired June 12, 2009. The station never filed for an extension, and never filed for a license to cover construction. On 12/22, the FCC canceled its license.

FCC link: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=23418

I've wondered what became of KEJB. Their website had been abandoned for over two years, and no one had any idea of what happened. Thanks. BTW, I used to get KEJB in Analog pre-transition but only logged them once on DTV.

A blog post from the last time I logged KEJB (with a screenshot) on August 27, 2009

http://tvdxseark.blogspot.com/2009/08/thursday-night-in-shack.html
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

tripinva said:
KYES apparently made some legal mistakes in their filings with the FCC and thus the FCC canceled the license. The story may not be over for them, and SiliconDust still shows channel 5 as being on the air.

Looks like you were correct on this one - the FCC has restored their license.

Another station shut down by the FCC and later given a reprieve is KVAW Eagle Pass TX. They failed to extend their STA to broadcast on ch 18 while waiting to build facilities on ch 24, so when they returned to air in July 2009, they were broadcasting without a license. They went off the air again in December 2009, then resumed broadcasting without a license in November 2010. When they filed to go off the air once again in December 2010, their failure to renew their STA was discovered and the license was revoked for failure to legally broadcast in a 12-month period, but a month later, the FCC reversed its decision and restored the license.

KPIF, however, mentioned earlier in this thread, has now had its license revoked for failure to broadcast in a 12-month period.
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

What? KPIF has been operating since transition day. It's been listed on SiliconDust since then, and still is. http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:83201#lineup_4627682

However, it looks like they failed to file to cover the permit. Oopsie. The FCC might let them retain the license once it's corrected.

- Trip
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

tripinva said:
KBEO was not the station they tried to move to New York, that was KJWY. KBEO is a different station in the same location.

KYES apparently made some legal mistakes in their filings with the FCC and thus the FCC canceled the license. The story may not be over for them, and SiliconDust still shows channel 5 as being on the air.

My information is that KYES has been "uncanceled". I note they're back in CDBS as "KYES" and not "DKYES" -- and on the 2nd they were granted a modification to their CP to reduce ERP from 45kw to 15kw. Indeed, I note they filed for a license-to-cover on the 9th. (the FCC hasn't acted on that request yet)

There's a very interesting comment in Exhibit 9 of their license-to-cover application:
...STATION IS BROADCASTING 8VSB ON THE SAME TRANSMITTER USED PREVIOUSLY FOR ANALOG BROADCASTING (HARRIS BT-18L FINAL AMPLIFIER),...

It goes on to mention the plate voltage and current of the final amplifier tube. I may be way off, but I strongly suspect KYES is the ONLY DTV station using a tube-type transmitter on VHF..... The BT-18L transmitter design is forty years old. I worked on one at WISC-TV through the 1980s. It took a fair amount of work to get it tuned properly for analog operation -- it must have been a real challenge to get it to work for digital!

If it was any station besides KYES, I would have assumed that was a typo. KYES seems to make up in engineering talent what they're lacking in capital...

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The easy way to remember which Jackson, Wyoming station wants to move east is... that PMCM did not propose to change the channel of either station. The station that would be on channel 2 in Delaware is currently on channel 2 in Wyoming; the one that would be on channel 3 in New Jersey is currently on 3 in Nevada.

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KPIF does currently show up as deleted ("DKPIF") in the current CDBS.

They've been deleting a BUNCH of deadwood lately. I'll bet they're going to turn up a few more that don't really want to go away...
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

Here is the letter KM Communications got last month from the FCC regarding KPIF: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=24338

I'm surprised that they haven't already responded.

As for SiliconDust, I'm not sure where the data comes from, but I can tell you it's not always correct. The site's Northern Arizona listings are completely inaccurate (eg. Flagstaff AZ 86001 and Prescott AZ 86301) and not up to date (eg. Kingman AZ 86401).
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

It comes from the SiliconDust HDHomeRun devices. In some areas, people only receive some of the local OTA stations, and if nobody with a SiliconDust device receives a given station, it's not listed. I don't know all the details, though one of these days I hope to find out.

One thing it does not do is incorrectly show a station as on the air with screencaps for a solid year when it's actually not there. ;) In fact, it removes stations that go off the air pretty quickly, usually. I'm watching to see how long it takes to remove WEAU from its listings; so far, 13-1 already has no new screencaps, and 13-2 is down from 3 last night to just one left today. http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:54701#lineup_4827191

And I especially don't get TSReader data from a source in the area for a station that's not on the air. http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/id-pif/86205-0_0.htm

Just saying. :)

- Trip
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

I do believe they were once on the air. Your transport stream read is almost 18 months old; are they still on the air? My skepticism isn't aimed at you, or at SiliconDust, but rather the owner of KPIF, KM Communications, who seems to have a bad reputation, based on a comment from another local LPTV operator I spoke with, and I can personally attest to this - an even worse track record. This is the company that takes their station off the air and never notifies the FCC. Or, in the case of KCFG Flagstaff AZ, never operates the station, but tells the FCC that it's on air, even after closing down its local studio/office. They recently lost their license for KPIF satellite KBEO Jackson WY.

As I said, I'm surprised that KM hasn't already filed the license to cover or petitioned to restore the license. It's been well over a month since the FCC revoked it. Has the station been on the air lately?

As for SiliconDust, the readings for Flagstaff and Prescott show KAZT as RF channel 36. That's only in Phoenix. Prescott gets KAZT on RF channel 7 and Flagstaff shouldn't get it at all - except in analog on channel 30. The Flagstaff listing misses KNAZ, KTVW-CD and KFPH, while the Prescott listing misses K39IT. Only KTVW is a recent addition. That's what I'm claiming as inaccurate.
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

dhett said:
I do believe they were once on the air. Your transport stream read is almost 18 months old; are they still on the air?

I just e-mailed my source and asked him to check it for me. He should hopefully get back to me sooner rather than later. I've asked him if he can nab me updated TSReader data on it as well, but last time I asked he was having trouble getting TSReader to work.

My skepticism isn't aimed at you, or at SiliconDust, but rather the owner of KPIF, KM Communications, who seems to have a bad reputation, based on a comment from another local LPTV operator I spoke with, and I can personally attest to this - an even worse track record. This is the company that takes their station off the air and never notifies the FCC. Or, in the case of KCFG Flagstaff AZ, never operates the station, but tells the FCC that it's on air, even after closing down its local studio/office. They recently lost their license for KPIF satellite KBEO Jackson WY.

Ah, I follow you. Yeah, KM doesn't have an amazing track record, but they definitely had KPIF converted to digital, which is more than can be said for most of their other stations.

KBEO probably wasn't making any money and never would have. It's one thing to have KCFG, which could at least claim satellite carriage into Phoenix, but KBEO would have been only on satellite in a tiny market by comparison. I don't blame them for that letting that one lapse.

All of that said, there really is no excuse for KCFG.

As I said, I'm surprised that KM hasn't already filed the license to cover or petitioned to restore the license. It's been well over a month since the FCC revoked it. Has the station been on the air lately?

I'm tempted to believe SiliconDust. If a station vanishes, it usually disappears from their listing within a week, tops. WEAU is already without screencaps after only a day.

As for SiliconDust, the readings for Flagstaff and Prescott show KAZT as RF channel 36. That's only in Phoenix. Prescott gets KAZT on RF channel 7 and Flagstaff shouldn't get it at all - except in analog on channel 30. The Flagstaff listing misses KNAZ, KTVW-CD and KFPH, while the Prescott listing misses K39IT. Only KTVW is a recent addition. That's what I'm claiming as inaccurate.

Ah, okay. What you're observing is that nobody is using a SiliconDust device in those areas. That's why you're missing most local stations.

As for KAZT, I don't know this for sure, and it's pure speculation, but here goes my guess. I've seen this in a few areas, and it's especially problematic in places like Salt Lake City. I think that SiliconDust uses the TSID to determine what station its receivers are looking at. So it knows that KAZT is licensed to Prescott, and knows it should cover an area roughly surrounding Prescott, but the only TSID it's seeing for KAZT is on channel 36 in Phoenix. So the server is duplicating the channel 36 listing into areas where it thinks KAZT should be, even though it's not actually seeing the main KAZT signal. Does that make sense?

- Trip
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

I guess we'll see. I'll be interested to see what your local source reports back. Myself, I have no plans to visit that part of the country any time soon. :)
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

dhett said:
KEJB 43 of El Dorado AR. Apparently, the station never made the digital conversion. It had a CP to flash cut to DTV operations that expired June 12, 2009. The station never filed for an extension, and never filed for a license to cover construction. On 12/22, the FCC canceled its license.

Merry ****ing Christmas, eh? :-[
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

DToTheJ said:
dhett said:
KEJB 43 of El Dorado AR. Apparently, the station never made the digital conversion. It had a CP to flash cut to DTV operations that expired June 12, 2009. The station never filed for an extension, and never filed for a license to cover construction. On 12/22, the FCC canceled its license.

Merry ****ing Christmas, eh? :-[

If the station never does anything about it, even taking the cheap way out by running a test pattern or wall-to-wall infomercials, it gets what they deserves. A wise broadcaster (or broadcaster-to-be) would take action on these things, not just brush them off and giving up completely.
 
Re: DID ANY STATIONS END, SIGN OFF THIS YEAR?

dhett said:
I guess we'll see. I'll be interested to see what your local source reports back. Myself, I have no plans to visit that part of the country any time soon. :)

I finally realized his e-mail address no longer worked, so I got in touch with him through a forum PM:

"Which way did you bet on ch 15? KPIF is still on air. ... I seldom watch KPIF so I don't know about it's programming at various times of day. There have been many complaints about too many infomercials on KPIF. For example, see: http://www.merchantcircle.com/busine...ad?cid=1096452

We have cable and I looked at the cable listing for KPIF. Right now Rifleman should be on but it is yet another infomercial..."

- Trip
 
Defunct TV stations in your city

Does your city have defunct TV stations?

Duluth has eleven.

The very first preceded all other TV stations in about 1953. It operated on UHF - requiring a special converter then - and went by the call letters "WFTV". It picked up programming from a couple networks. With KDAL and modern-day KBJR signing on in 1954, it soon went kaput.

The first eight were part of a "UHF cable TV" service common in the 1980's and 1990's in rural Minnesota. In Duluth, it went by the name of "BEAM TV". My family subscribed to it for a while when I was 7 and 8. I still remember the channel line-up:

15 - Sci-Fi Channel
27 - CNN
30 - TBS
32 - USA Network
34 - Discovery Channel
38 - Family Channel
56 - Showtime
60 - Nickelodeon

They were going to add channels on 62, 64, 66, and 68, but never did as far as I know. They shut down operations in 1996 as Primestar, Dish, and DirecTV / USSB gained popularity.

Duluth got a FOX affiliate on September 1, 1999 (KQDS 21). The enthusiasm for local TV spread to a group of local investors who started up KDUL-LP, channel 12. After several delays, it launched in the Fall of 2000, with transmitter tests in August 2000 (their puny VHF signal launched during a tropo opening, in which it was often interfered with by WJFW, Rhinelander, WI, 160 miles away). It carried A1 or AIN, as well as UPN programming and the local sports-themed public access show "The Average Guys". They received carriage on Bresnan (local) cable channel 16, which was the only way most people saw them. This probably created a inconvenient sim-sub situation with KMSP-9, which was the state's superstation at the time and then affiliated with UPN. Their transmitter had a fire in August 2001, kicking them off the air for good.

K58CM, a long standing affiliate of TBN, signed off in 2010.
 
Re: Defunct TV stations in your city

In Seattle, there used to be KPEC 56 in Tacoma in the 1960s, which was operated by the Clover Park School District. It signed off in the '70s, and then bought KTVW 13, which several years later would morph into, you guessed it, Q13 Fox.

-crainbebo
 
Re: Defunct TV stations in your city

We've had a couple of LPTVs come and go here in Rochester. W38AW (later WAWW-LP) and WROH-LP 47 are both gone now. I think WAWW was running America One when it was last on the air, and WROH-LP was shopping.

The only defunct full-power TV here is only sort of defunct: channel 10 in Rochester signed on in 1953 as a share-time between WHEC-TV (affiliated with WHEC 1460) and WVET-TV (affiliated with WVET 1280). In 1962, the owners of WVET-TV bought WROC-TV 5 (soon moved to channel 8) and WROC-FM 97.9. WVET 1280 moved in with the WROC stations and became WROC 1280. The WVET-TV half of the channel 10 license was sold to WHEC-TV, which went full time on 10. The WVET staff moved over to WROC, so the only thing that really went "defunct" was the WVET-TV callsign.

There's more defunct-ness in our neighboring markets: in Buffalo, WBES channel 59 came and went in the first flush of UHF in 1953. WBUF-TV 17 also signed on in 1953 and lasted for six years before the channel ended up being donated to educational TV as WNED in 1959.

In Syracuse, there was a channel 43 (WONH) that was built in the early 1970s but apparently never made it past a test pattern before folding. (The channel was later reused in the 1990s by what's now WNYS.)

Elmira's first TV station, WTVE channel 24, signed on in 1953 and died in 1956 when a storm took down its tower.
 
Re: Defunct TV stations in your city

WKBS 48 in Philly in the 1980's went defunct.
KQEC 32 in San Francisco the 1980's went defunct and was off the air for sometime before KMTP 32.
KEMO-TV 20 in SFO went defunct in the 1980's and was off the air for 1 month before James Gabbert took over TV-20 for KTZO and KOFY.
 
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