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Also from the AVS Forum, sebenste on Rockford:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/45-lo...on/412347-peoria-il-hdtv-73.html#post31981497
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Umm.....OK......I'll play along..... *Smirk*
First of all, you could've spared us the Wikipedia stuff (That is what Wikipedia is for)
Secondly, if you what you say is true, then WHY is it Lincoln has ITS OWN CBS affiliate (KOLN/KGIN) ??
I have an EVEN SIMPLER solution
KNOP keeps its Fox sister (I'm only an average viewer but as I understand it, this is what those in the industry would call A DUOPOLY) while the NTV network of stations SHUTS DOWN its Fox station since it's al ALL ABC shop statewide (Except for Omaha) anyway
Anyone else care to comment on this bit of COMMON SENSE - Feel free.....
Cheers & 73
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Simple. Anything Mr. Jimcie suggests, do the opposite.
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rying to make him crack up
Ya, I heard it was a cameraman giving him a BA, trying to make him crack up. Switcher was fired, Looper was suspended 2 weeks, FCC fined kztv... Starting to wonder if this is just urban legend around the station or if, "Looper's Blooper" really happened.
Ya, I heard it was a cameraman giving him a BA, trying to make him crack up. Switcher was fired, Looper was suspended 2 weeks, FCC fined kztv... Starting to wonder if this is just urban legend around the station or if, "Looper's Blooper" really happened.
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I knew a reporter who applied at KZTV in Corpus as his first job out of UT in the early 90s. He was at the station and getting a tour/interview. They told him they didn't have medical insurance because the "employees didn't want it." He thought that was weird. The news director left him in the lobby to fill out his paperwork, he was alone sitting there when the receptionist (a little old lady) came up to him and whispered "don't come to work here." She said "did they tell you we didn't want health insurance?" He nodded yes. She said "we've been begging for insurance for years and they won't give it to us." My friend put down the paperwork and just walked out without speaking to anyone and drove back home to Austin. When he got back to his apartment the phone was ringing, it was the news director at KZTV wanting to know what happened to him and if he still wanted the job!
I knew a reporter who applied at KZTV in Corpus as his first job out of UT in the early 90s. He was at the station and getting a tour/interview. They told him they didn't have medical insurance because the "employees didn't want it." He thought that was weird. The news director left him in the lobby to fill out his paperwork, he was alone sitting there when the receptionist (a little old lady) came up to him and whispered "don't come to work here." She said "did they tell you we didn't want health insurance?" He nodded yes. She said "we've been begging for insurance for years and they won't give it to us." My friend put down the paperwork and just walked out without speaking to anyone and drove back home to Austin. When he got back to his apartment the phone was ringing, it was the news director at KZTV wanting to know what happened to him and if he still wanted the job!
From the "Non-Commercial to Commercial TV Stations" thread:
I saw on RabbitEars that WUGA is being handed over to Marquee Broadcasting. I Googled that and found out they own WMDT (ABC) Salisbury MD. Is Marquee about to turn WUGA back to a commercial station?
Crossposted to Atlanta TV board
WBLU-LP was itself a cursed station. At one point it was both the UPN and WB affiliate for Lexington, but was never carried on cable and was plagued by signal problems. It went dark in 2008 and its license was canceled in 2010.
Before then, Channel 62 in Lexington was home to full-power station WLKT, which too was cursed. It went on the air in 1989 after a long legal battle, only to go dark in June 1990.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WBLU-LP
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Bay News 9 and News 13 in Tampa and Orlando , respectively, may be cursed in the coming months, BECAUSE BHN was acquired to CHARTER!!!
, respectively, may be cursed in the coming months, BECAUSE BHN was acquired to CHARTER!!! "KVVV Channel 16 Galveston-Houston. It only lasted about a year in 1968-69. One of their featured personalities was "No-No the Clown."
KVVV was mismanaged and doomed from the get-go because nobody knew how to sell its air time. Nobody. It was losing money from its first day to its last. The program they hoped would be the big rainmaker was the Stock Market Observer, a live running analysis of the stock market from open to close every day. They hoped to sell it to the big companies in the DJ 30 and other local big companies, but it didn't work. I was one of three people doing that program every day, and even though I had only been there about five months, I was one of the first to get laid off.
You may be interested to know that No-No the Clown was a highly popular program. No-No was a guy named Ralph Ehntholt, one of the most sweet natured and thoughtful men I've ever known. Kids and everybody who knew him adored him. After KVVV went dark he made his living as a professional special events clown around the Houston area. He passed away in 2001. His son Ralph Ehntholt Jr is a professor in the Theatre Department at San Jacinto College South, and he's active in the Houston live theater community.
KVVV was mismanaged and doomed from the get-go because nobody knew how to sell its air time. Nobody. It was losing money from its first day to its last. The program they hoped would be the big rainmaker was the Stock Market Observer, a live running analysis of the stock market from open to close every day. They hoped to sell it to the big companies in the DJ 30 and other local big companies, but it didn't work. I was one of three people doing that program every day, and even though I had only been there about five months, I was one of the first to get laid off.
You may be interested to know that No-No the Clown was a highly popular program. No-No was a guy named Ralph Ehntholt, one of the most sweet natured and thoughtful men I've ever known. Kids and everybody who knew him adored him. After KVVV went dark he made his living as a professional special events clown around the Houston area. He passed away in 2001. His son Ralph Ehntholt Jr is a professor in the Theatre Department at San Jacinto College South, and he's active in the Houston live theater community.
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But they have yet to build it - I think the FCC still has a freeze on transmitter moves. And even if it is built, it would deliver a marginal signal at best to COL St Cloud.
http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1490810&map=Y
I also think Paxson wanted KVBM/KSTC for their network because it covered more of the Twin Cities metro but they were outbid by Hubbard, who formed a duopoly with KSTP.
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This is similar to what happened with WJAL Hagerstown MD. Entravision wanted to move WJAL to Silver Spring so they could get Washington metro coverage. The FCC denied the move and cited the National Broadband Plan.
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-12-363A1.pdf
Maybe the Broadband Plan was the reason KPXM didn't move to Shoreview.
More Defunct Central Indiana Stations
Others I recently discovered, thanks to the new UHFTelevision.com and some research on David Eduardo's site, are:
WWHB 3 Indianapolis was owned by the Wm H. Block department stores, and was a pre-freeze CP that never made it to air.
WJRE 26 Indianapolis was a never-built CP from 1953.
WCBC-TV 26 Anderson apparently operated as an independent, and had a news director named Morton Crim (that Mort Crim?), from 1/28/58 to 3/20/59. Its original CP was for Channel 61, assigned on 2/2/55, and moved to 26 when the allocation table was changed on 11/7/57. In that switch, 26 went from Indy to Anderson, 61 Anderson was deleted, and 39 was assigned to Indy. The 61 allocation was later moved to Muncie, but never used. Channel 26 was later assigned to Terre Haute for noncomm use (see below).
WMRI-TV 29 Marion IN was an unbuilt CP in 1953.
WISU-TV 36 Terre Haute was owned by Indiana State University in the mid '60s, but they never built it. It was reissued in the '80s on Channel 26, but again, it was never built.
WACH-TV 43 Richmond was issued in 1967 but never built. I don't know if it was used later to build the TBN station there.
WRAY-TV 52 Princeton was an independent that lasted a few months from December '53 to July '54. From what I understand, the license and CP were never turned in, and were used to build WVUT Channel 22 in Vincennes 15 years later.
WAAC-TV 66 Terre Haute was a late '60s CP (per the Vane Jones guide) that later was used to build WIIL-TV 38.
WNES 67 Indianapolis was an unbuilt CP from 1953.
WAIV-TV 67 Anderson was an unbuilt CP from 1968.
Others I recently discovered, thanks to the new UHFTelevision.com and some research on David Eduardo's site, are:
WWHB 3 Indianapolis was owned by the Wm H. Block department stores, and was a pre-freeze CP that never made it to air.
WJRE 26 Indianapolis was a never-built CP from 1953.
WCBC-TV 26 Anderson apparently operated as an independent, and had a news director named Morton Crim (that Mort Crim?), from 1/28/58 to 3/20/59. Its original CP was for Channel 61, assigned on 2/2/55, and moved to 26 when the allocation table was changed on 11/7/57. In that switch, 26 went from Indy to Anderson, 61 Anderson was deleted, and 39 was assigned to Indy. The 61 allocation was later moved to Muncie, but never used. Channel 26 was later assigned to Terre Haute for noncomm use (see below).
WMRI-TV 29 Marion IN was an unbuilt CP in 1953.
WISU-TV 36 Terre Haute was owned by Indiana State University in the mid '60s, but they never built it. It was reissued in the '80s on Channel 26, but again, it was never built.
WACH-TV 43 Richmond was issued in 1967 but never built. I don't know if it was used later to build the TBN station there.
WRAY-TV 52 Princeton was an independent that lasted a few months from December '53 to July '54. From what I understand, the license and CP were never turned in, and were used to build WVUT Channel 22 in Vincennes 15 years later.
WAAC-TV 66 Terre Haute was a late '60s CP (per the Vane Jones guide) that later was used to build WIIL-TV 38.
WNES 67 Indianapolis was an unbuilt CP from 1953.
WAIV-TV 67 Anderson was an unbuilt CP from 1968.
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KVFD-TV, Fort Dodge Iowa has been mentioned numerous times. KTIV/4 Sioux City has some historic pictures of the KVFD studios on their site:
http://www.ktiv.com/story/28826263/ktivs-matt-breen-takes-part-in-a-show-that-hits-home
http://www.ktiv.com/story/28826263/ktivs-matt-breen-takes-part-in-a-show-that-hits-home
Wow, some pics from the color era as KVFD-TV! I wrote the article about KQTV / KVFD-TV that K.M.Richards put up recently on his UHF Television site, with many pics from the Webster Co. Historical Society. All of those pics are black and white. I'm guessing the pictures here are from Matt Breen's personal collection. I may have to get in touch with him to see if they can be included on the UHF Television site.
In the summer of 1969 my family moved to Dallas. There was KFWT Channel 21 that had a part time schedule. Moving from Kansas City, it was just way too hot to go outside so I'd frequently watch the Afternoon Movie. I was amazed at the light commercial load. It was the same every time. The station came on at 4 on weekday afternoons. The movie would start after the intro. At 4:30, the movie would suddenly stop and they'd show an ID frame a few seconds. The same happened at 5:30. At 5, however, you got the 'we'll return after these messages'. There was a very short ad, a single frame of a single item on sale at Buddy's Supermarket...I'm guessing 5 seconds, then the ID and 'back to the movie. Most of their syndicated shows were not the popular stuff. I recall one of the shows was "Hazel".
They didn't last long, no local news and nothing but elementary production. They had a beautiful music FM, KFWT, that stayed on morphing to KFWD as a Quad Beautiful Music station before going top 40 and eventually to the legendary AOR KTXQ.
There was a small market TV station I was told about but never saw. A guy I worked with at a radio station had worked for them. It seems that to get the cable company to carry them they had to do more than the 2 hours they were on each night. That's when he got there as his first broadcast job. He said they had a room with a cart machine, small mixer and a turntable. He was to do the morning shift, call it radio on TV. He said the IDs had a small logo saying "music provided by" and the logo of the music store
It seems they had a trade out for the top 40 hits from one music store and his job was to play commercials and songs, give frequent time and temperature. He was to pick up the big city newspaper and rewrite a few top stories for the news. He got the weather off cable TV before he left his apartment.
It seems all the ads were frames. In other words they had a couple of cameras in front of copy holders and a toggle switch. If the ad had multiple frames, he set the next frame on the other copy holder and switched to the other camera. That was how they did IDs as well. Never worked TV but the 'frame' I mention was a a smaller than 8 1/2 by 11 page and in full color. They were all held in a notebook in plastic sleeves from what he said. He thought a printer might have made those.
It seems during the midday and overnight the station had a digital clock and thermometer that was on the screen with the ID. After school got out kids played records until the evening programming began at 7.
He got to do sales during the day. He said the spots were $1 each. He said they charged more in the 7 to 9 time frame but the station had virtually no viewers. He quit as his paychecks began bouncing each pay period.
I cannot recall the TV station or the market but I'm thinking it might have been a LPTV, an early one.
In fact what got him talking about that was we worked together in Eagle Pass, Texas and the cable system there (owned by the LBJ family) had a local access channel that had kids playing records very much like what he experienced.
In fact, when LPTV came about, there was a LPTV this couple put on in a town of about 800. I was curious enough to call them and talked to the wife. I'm guessing a few thousand could tune in the channel. It seems they were all local programming. If a Church wanted their service on the air, they had a company that charged to go tape it and it seems they had a number of people that videotaped for a fee (guessing VHS). The station had tapes of parades, Church services and even stuff like family reunions and school events all non-stop. Don't know how long that lasted but she said they had a good number of viewers and frequently got requests to repeat shows (they took requests). Whatever their bills were, the lady said they covered them plus a little more. That stuck in my head...all local TV in a tiny town. I think the lady said the station was in their house.
They didn't last long, no local news and nothing but elementary production. They had a beautiful music FM, KFWT, that stayed on morphing to KFWD as a Quad Beautiful Music station before going top 40 and eventually to the legendary AOR KTXQ.
There was a small market TV station I was told about but never saw. A guy I worked with at a radio station had worked for them. It seems that to get the cable company to carry them they had to do more than the 2 hours they were on each night. That's when he got there as his first broadcast job. He said they had a room with a cart machine, small mixer and a turntable. He was to do the morning shift, call it radio on TV. He said the IDs had a small logo saying "music provided by" and the logo of the music store
It seems they had a trade out for the top 40 hits from one music store and his job was to play commercials and songs, give frequent time and temperature. He was to pick up the big city newspaper and rewrite a few top stories for the news. He got the weather off cable TV before he left his apartment.
It seems all the ads were frames. In other words they had a couple of cameras in front of copy holders and a toggle switch. If the ad had multiple frames, he set the next frame on the other copy holder and switched to the other camera. That was how they did IDs as well. Never worked TV but the 'frame' I mention was a a smaller than 8 1/2 by 11 page and in full color. They were all held in a notebook in plastic sleeves from what he said. He thought a printer might have made those.
It seems during the midday and overnight the station had a digital clock and thermometer that was on the screen with the ID. After school got out kids played records until the evening programming began at 7.
He got to do sales during the day. He said the spots were $1 each. He said they charged more in the 7 to 9 time frame but the station had virtually no viewers. He quit as his paychecks began bouncing each pay period.
I cannot recall the TV station or the market but I'm thinking it might have been a LPTV, an early one.
In fact what got him talking about that was we worked together in Eagle Pass, Texas and the cable system there (owned by the LBJ family) had a local access channel that had kids playing records very much like what he experienced.
In fact, when LPTV came about, there was a LPTV this couple put on in a town of about 800. I was curious enough to call them and talked to the wife. I'm guessing a few thousand could tune in the channel. It seems they were all local programming. If a Church wanted their service on the air, they had a company that charged to go tape it and it seems they had a number of people that videotaped for a fee (guessing VHS). The station had tapes of parades, Church services and even stuff like family reunions and school events all non-stop. Don't know how long that lasted but she said they had a good number of viewers and frequently got requests to repeat shows (they took requests). Whatever their bills were, the lady said they covered them plus a little more. That stuck in my head...all local TV in a tiny town. I think the lady said the station was in their house.
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You just stumbled across the reason I rarely used the Vane Jones books in the research for the UHF History site, Keith. Where unbuilt stations were concerned, they fudged their listings and did not always guess right. (The UHF site grew out of my researching and fixing the station list which is now the "Channels" section, when it was part of Clarke's DuMont Network site. That list was based upon an article which was entirely researched with the Jones books ... and was riddled with errors as a result.)
Here's what happened in Terre Haute, and perhaps this will explain why that station isn't in the list.
WAAC filed for channel 66 in 1968, and found themselves in a comparative hearing with a second applicant. In late 1971, the two parties merged and dismissed one of the applications and the FCC assigned the CP to the merged entity. About a year later, the Commission acted on a rulemaking petition that had been submitted during the hearings, substituting channel 38 for channel 66 in Terre Haute. It wasn't until that rulemaking was being finalized that the call letters for the CP (now on 38)were finally requested ... WIIL-TV.
So, there was never a WAAC-TV call letter assignment on either channel and the WIIL-TV calls were assigned on channel 38, where the station was indeed constructed.
Jones apparently jumped the gun when the CP was issued and called it WAAC-TV based on the existing radio station ... but got it wrong as a result.
When I did my research, which was largely going through the notices of record in Broadcasting issue by issue, I created a humungous Excel file to track everything. I created a separate entry for each new application, then went back and added CP grant date and call letter assignment as they came along later, deleting entries for withdrawn or rejected applications, and adding first on-air dates. From there, only stations which subsequently went dark have any further notes. So WIIL-TV does appear in my notes but because it did make it to air it doesn't appear on the site's list of unbuilt CPs.
My notes say the CP for WKOI was issued from a new application, in 1980, so no.
I have a specific note that the WRAY-TV CP was surrendered in February, 1961. The WVUT CP was granted in 1966.
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I have to keep saying this, because the whole basis of the UHF History site is to correct many misconceptions that came about over the years because of people presuming timelines and actions.
The site is not mine. It belongs to my friend and colleague Clarke Ingram, who developed the idea out of the list of defunct UHF stations and unbuilt UHF construction permits that had appeared on his DuMont Network website. I did the site design, I wrote several articles for the new site, I edited and added content to others, and at Clarke's request I act as the content coordinator for UHFTelevision.com ...
... but it's not "my" site. It's Clarke's.
There's a post by crainbebo on the "What would you do in your market if you had the clout?" thread about cursed market Yakima/Tri-Cities.
http://www.radiodiscussions.com/sho...ad-the-clout&p=6046347&viewfull=1#post6046347
http://www.radiodiscussions.com/sho...ad-the-clout&p=6046347&viewfull=1#post6046347
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