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The TWC lineup indicates that CBS Palm Springs is in SD only. I'm pretty sure they broadcast in HD OTA on KPSP.

nope. KPSP they run old news rebroadcasts from KESQ.
Edit: looking at zap2it they DO show "Channel 2 news" on there which looks like its live (5:30, 6:00, 10:00) so that would be in HD but no network shows from CBS are in HD.

from a post a month ago on avs in regards to CBS not being in HD
Like why is this the only major network with no OTA presence?
Any insight into whether this will ever be resolved?
Is it just greed?
Do we really need a 24 hour rebroadcast of stale local news in HD?
Car crashes, apartment fires and the latest goons on the overnight police roster? Really? This is what HD was developed for?
How many years since the digital transformation and we are left with CBS programming with cutoff sides in 480i.
NFL, Grammies, Kennedy Center Honors coming up, would love to watch in HD.

No, no, got to show yesterday's car crashes and thug shots on the police roster in a continual non-ending loop in HD instead.

Great use of technology!
 
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To be clear, Time Warner, (Charter), runs Palm Springs affiliates for the networks. However, they do offer KCAL, an indie out of LA that shares its news departement with KCBS. This is a far cry from decades past when the full boat of LA stations was shown in Palm Springs/Indio. There may some localized areas around the desert that still receive the full LA lineup. Yucca Valley is not Palm Springs.

yup the only nets form LA in Palm Springs are NBC & ABC
 
yup the only nets form LA in Palm Springs are NBC & ABC

For some reason I had thought Palm Springs had their own FOX ?? When I was in that city about 7 years ago I can remember seeing someone doing the news with the words FOX in the background and all the news and weather was about Palm Springs and the surrounding area and not Los Angeles. Have no idea if this was something KTTV had set up giving Palm Springs their own FOX or if it was somebody else completely but I do remember it.
 
For some reason I had thought Palm Springs had their own FOX ?? When I was in that city about 7 years ago I can remember seeing someone doing the news with the words FOX in the background and all the news and weather was about Palm Springs and the surrounding area and not Los Angeles. Have no idea if this was something KTTV had set up giving Palm Springs their own FOX or if it was somebody else completely but I do remember it.

They do have their own FOX. Its low powered KDFX-CD 33.1 and as a SD sub on the full power KESQ. Its owned by NPG (News Press Gazette)...same group that owns all the big 4 nets (minus NBC) + CW
http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=station_search&callsign=kdfx#station

They use the moniker "Fox 11" for the cable spot which obviously took the spot from KTTV (Fox LA) when ti started up
 
From Prescott Joe on the Arizona TV Station Update thread:

KNAZ NBC Flagstaff, which rebroadcasts KPNX Phoenix, has been and continues
to send out what seems to be a reduced signal from their main transmitter near
Mormon Lake. Their translator, K06AE-D, atop Mingus Mtn, meanwhile is also
having issues, dropping out from time to time.
 
Another station about to fall from grace: XETV in Tijuana/San Diego. They've already shut down their news department, and they're set to lose The CW this summer to KFMB.
More on this thread: http://www.radiodiscussions.com/showthread.php?699886-CW-moves-in-San-Diego-XETV-to-KFMB

And will likely lose all cable carriage on the US side of the border, as XETV will remain on the air but as a (likely but not confirmed) affiliate of Canal 5, which is currently on 6.2
 
And will likely lose all cable carriage on the US side of the border, as XETV will remain on the air but as a (likely but not confirmed) affiliate of Canal 5, which is currently on 6.2

I grew up in LA in the 1960s. With our rooftop antenna, San Diego stations came in clearer than many LA stations. XETV was ABC in those years, though I remember that they had no news department, and ran sitcom reruns at 11:00 PM. I remember that they had a "Channel 6" jingle that they'd play for station IDs - kind of unusual for a TV station.
 
From Raymie on TVNewsTalk:

On June 24, 1989, Juan Wheeler got the green light to build a TV station in Eagle Pass, Texas, a border town more noteworthy as being across the border from Piedras Negras, Coahuila, Mexico. It took Wheeler two years to apply for a license and more than four more to get it. But the long and convoluted history of KVAW, analog channel 16 and now branded as channel 24, had just begun. Wheeler was just the first in an, ahem, wheel of owners.

Wheeler Ditches Town

Few FCC applications have had quite as much intrigue as the one that crossed their desk in 2000. The short-lived Hispanic Television Network (HTVN) sought to buy the station. There was just one catch: nobody could find Juan Wheeler! As he was thought to have fled the country, HTVN filled out Wheeler's portion of the application and had it signed on his behalf by the Maverick County Sheriff's Office.

The Good Doctor, Multimedios and a Revoked License

When HTVN collapsed, KVAW made its way to the hands of Joseph A. Zavaletta, a doctor from Brownsville. Upon taking over the station in December 2003, the station changed programming sources to the Más Música music video network, which became MTV Tres in 2006.

In 2008, however, Dr. Zavaletta saw a better use for channel 16. He signed an affiliation agreement with Multimedios Televisión, which already had a presence in most of Coahuila's other major cities, and that July, KVAW began its tenure as a Multimedios affiliate. A large local operation was set up to cover Eagle Pass and Piedras Negras, while its cable coverage expanded to Del Rio, Ciudad Acuña and the Cinco Manantiales region (located south of Piedras and including the towns of Cd. Allende, Nava and Villa Unión). It might have been the best era in the station's history. KVAW even began airing local newscasts. Unfortunately, it ended after just seven months, with 30 employees losing their jobs.

The problems that KVAW faced in this time period were largely economic (probably in the face of the Great Recession), though they extended to digital television, in the form of a time-consuming and complicated proposal to move the digital facilities from RF 18 to RF 24. (The station had been operating on 18.1 and touted itself as the first HD station in the area under Multimedios.) Unauthorized operations and STAs piled up, as the station went silent for financial reasons.

There was another, and more personal, reason the finances were tight for the good doctor. He was in the midst of a lengthy battle with cancer. Ultimately, Dr. Zavaletta passed away on January 25, 2010 in his Brownsville home, at the age of 77.

His estate plowed on with the confusing and murky situation of KVAW at the FCC. It was discovered that in August 2009, KVAW had lost its authorization to broadcast, and so the FCC proceeded to revoke KVAW's license on February 15, 2011. The next month, however, it changed its mind and reinstated the license, as well as the application for a sale to NRT Communications Group, which would be approved that May.

Deep in the Heart of Coahuila

KVAW was NRT's first ever American broadcast station, but it was not its first rodeo in broadcasting. NRT — Núcleo Radio Televisión — had been around for years in Coahuila. NRT owns two radio stations in Monclova — now XHEMF-FM 96.3 and XHWGR-FM 101.1, both with MVS Radio formats — as well as a chain of local cable TV stations and some cable TV systems known as "eiiNRT". The one in Monclova (Canal 4) has the fake callsign XHRG-TV, but there are additional stations, serving Saltillo (Canal 6), Sabinas and the Región Carbonífera/Coal Region (Canal 10), and Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas (Canal 8).

The RG in XHRG-TV comes from somewhere important: Rolando González, who in turn is related to other González family members with their own broadcast interests. In Saltillo and Ciudad Acuña, there's Grupo RCG (Roberto Casimiro González), which owns television and radio stations in both cities. Roberto's son Roberto G. González is the driving force behind R Communications, an owner and operator of radio stations primarily in the Two Laredos and Rio Grande Valley areas.

Today's KVAW

Today's KVAW is something of an enigma. It has even less of a web presence than the other NRT cable stations. What we do know is:

-It is an all-local station, with some programs shared with the other cable stations. (Its KidVid report in 2016 revealed that the only E/I show they had was this.)

-A few FB posts show us samples of their programs: here, here and here. (The last one includes a message, which reads in part: "I thought Canal 4 Monclova was low quality, but here's Canal 24 Eagle Pass, Texas, and it's just as bad!")

-It is on the Eagle Pass cable system as channel 7, but has never been carried anywhere else in its DMA of San Antonio. The size of the DMA outside of the SA metro is likely to blame: KYVV in Del Rio had to do quite a bit to get into the SA market, and they had the benefit of an American network.

-In 2014, their official email was [email protected]. No joke.

-Here's the only website I know for them. (A bunch of links are broken on it though.)

So yeah, it's definitely the least American station in America.

https://forums.tvnewstalk.net/index.php?threads/the-least-american-station-in-america.15946/
 
WTVH channel 5, in Syracuse. One of the "original 108" (that got their construction permit before the freeze in 1948). Went on the air Dec. 1, 1948 as WHEN channel 8. A CBS affiliate from the earliest days. They produced one of the most popular local TV children' shows of all time, Magic Toy Shop. Started in 1955, the show's producers actually researched for effective and worthwhile content, and featured a female Director/Producer, Jean Dougherty. Their news came to prominence in the 1970s, under the "NewsCenter 5" moniker, when Ron Curtis was their chief anchor. They were first to have a live truck in upstate NY (first use: election night 1976).

But due to a number of mis-steps (too numerous to go into here), they fell from grace in the 90s. At one point, a few years ago, their 5PM news block was turned into a sponsor-driven pseudo-news program, doing paid features. Just a month and a half ago, under (bankrupt) Granite ownership, they essentially shut down their news operation, and handed the station over to up-the-street neighbor, WSTM, the NBC affiliate. The building at 980 James St. will be sold.

I wonder how many other of the "original 108" have shut down news operations?

Does WWOR count?
 

My local NBC affiliate WNYT has been falling from grace since 2009. That was when they fired a lot of their top personalities like Lydia Kulbida, Jay Bobbin, Dan Bazile (although he has come back), and Kelly Lynch (she has returned as well). Somehow they are still #1 in the market, but that's only because the other stations aren't much better.
 
Sorry to bump this thread after seven months, but...

From the Puerto Rico TV thread:

Sistema TV to shut down its PBS affiliate

https://current.org/2017/10/after-hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-university-shuts-down-pbs-station/

This is the fallout of Hurricane Maria.

More from TVNewsTalk:

Sistema TV (WMTJ San Juan + WQTO Ponce), owned by the Sistema Universitario Ana G. Méndez, will be dark until further notice. The university system has suspended all non-academic operations, and apparently Sistema TV also suffered storm damage. Many are treating this as the station being gone for good. The cessation of non-academic operations also has led to the suspension of the university's athletic programs for the 2017-18 school year.

President José F. Méndez Méndez said in a statement:

"It is a difficult decision, but as an educational institution, at this time our priority is to guarantee the continuity of our teaching and educational services so that each student can complete the academic term in our schools. All of our efforts are directed at making it possible for students to receive the best education and the best service in order to achieve their professional goals."

The university system took on the PBS affiliation when WIPR-WIPM, which is owned by the government of Puerto Rico, left PBS in 2011. Sistema TV had been operating since 1985.

https://forums.tvnewstalk.net/index.php?threads/out-and-about.11429/page-359#post-192970
 
From the Los Angeles TV board on KILM Barstow CA:

[KILM] has been hurting financially ever since that long-term lease of the primary channel to FilmOn went sour.

Only 64.1 has any reach to it due to carriage by DirecTV and DISH Network which bring it into Los Angeles proper ... the subchannels have a very limited possible audience, mainly because the areas you reference have high cable subscriber percentages (can't get the Los Angeles stations without it).

More from Wikipedia:

KILM originally began broadcasting in 1987 as KVVT, the only independent commercial television station in the Mojave Desert region to provide local news programs. ...Until 1992, KVVT used to add ABC programming as its affiliate. By that year, KABC-TV Channel 7 has replaced channel 64 as the default ABC affiliate in the High Desert.

FilmOn took over the station's operations under an LMA on September 1, 2012, at which point it became KILM.[3] On November 25, 2013, FilmOn TV was removed and replaced with paid programming. On July 12, 2014, KILM dropped the all 24/7 paid programming lineup & replaced it with Programming from The SonLife Broadcasting Network, a Religious Broadcasting Network that is Owned and operated by Jimmy Swaggart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KILM

KILM is channel sharing with ION's KPXN, moving its COL to Inglewood and its transmitter to Mount Harvard (near Mount Wilson).
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/d...&id=25076ff35eaa0027015edfabfca7651a&goBack=N
 
And there’s WNMN, which airs MyNetworkTV on its third subchannel! (RetroTV is on 40.1) Its transmitter is in COL Saranac Lake, so its signal doesn’t reach Plattsburgh or Burlington. It has four translators, all analog-only. This was rumored to be the market’s CW affiliate, but was passed over in favor of WFFF (and later WPTZ).

Just today, WNMN entered into a consent decree, agreeing to pay a $30,000 fine for "numerous potential violations of the Commission’s Public File Rules", as well as building its analog transmitter at the wrong location.
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db1104/DA-15-1244A1.pdf

Three of WNMN's four translators are now off the air, never having converted to digital. A fourth (which has made the switch) has been sold to another company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNMN#Repeaters

And here's WNMN's schedule:
http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do?stnNum=66255&channel=80&aid=tvschedule

Oddly enough, it's carried on Comcast Burlington and Charter Plattsburgh, but not on Time Warner Cable in city of license Saranac Lake!

WNMN has since changed its callsign to WYCI, but it's the same old story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYCI

WYCI has filed an application to move its transmitter to WPTZ's former site on Terry Mountain, which would give it coverage of most of the market and into Montreal.
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/d...&id=25076ff35f58800d015f5f54157119c5&goBack=N
Proposed Contour Map: https://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=2007881&map=Y

It's now carried on Spectrum channels 19 and 1230 in Saranac Lake.
http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlist...NY31434:L&isDescriptionOn=true&aid=tvschedule
 
Does WLWC 28.1 count? From a CW station (ok the CW's programming isn't good) but their syndication schedule is worlds better than airing Ion Life programming 24-7.
 
Two station shutdowns to report, first in Texas:

Local PBS station KNCT going dark soon

Central Texas' local PBS station, which has been on the air for more than four decades, is going dark. The Central Texas College Board of Trustees voted four to two Tuesday to shut it down. The board cited budget concerns as one of their main reasons.

Reverend Jimmy Towers, a member of the CTC Board of Trustees, said it was an extremely difficult decision because of its heritage, function and its legacy for Killeen, but it would have cost the college, the federal government--and basically taxpayers--millions to keep it running. He said the TV station's time is up.

http://www.kcentv.com/article/news/local/local-pbs-station-knct-going-dark-soon/500-524275867

And in Quebec:

RNC Media has decided to pull the plug on CKRN-DT, its Radio-Canada affiliate in Abitibi-Témiscamingue. Local news will continue on its sister stations, which are affiliates of the TVA and V networks, but the station’s seven transmitters will be shut down, meaning no over-the-air reception for Radio-Canada in the region. The shutdown will leave CKRT-DT in Rivière-du-Loup, owned by Télé Inter-Rives, as the only privately owned Radio-Canada TV affiliate in the country.

http://blog.fagstein.com/2018/03/09/mnd-budget-ckrn-bad-blood/
 
Some more that could qualify:
....
Hays-Great Bend-Garden City, KS (merged into Wichita market)
Great Bend-Hays- Garden City/Dodge City - Goodland/Colby...

Those stations merged with Wichita in the early 60s.
For KSN (then KCKT in Great Bend), that station owner purchased the Wichita NBC station.
 
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