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Would a OGL, YSP flip flop work??

Re: Come on guys...there is only one reason

> > Yeah... that sure is disturbing. How dare a white kid
> listen
> > to a black artist. Next thing you know they'll be drinking
>
> > from the same water fountain.
> >
> Unless you have something substantial to say Mr. SCRhack,
> put a sock in it. The thought of our precious youth
> embracing thug music that celebrates drugs, prostitution,
> murder, and violence is actually disturbing to many people.
>
>
> So don't start with your false accusations of racism just as
> before. You and Mr. Homerjay have made your false
> accusations of racism on this board previously and have had
> them exposed for the idiocy that they are. The two of you
> have no problems making yourselves horses asses, and you are
> displaying your talent for it now.
>
> In the meantime, I'm working on a Limerick with your name.
>

I was trying to limerick his looks, but I don't have enough bandwidth.
 
Re: Generational Music

> I think you need to give today's youth more credit in
> knowing the difference between a song lyric and a lifestyle.
> Our parent's generation disliked the themes and lyrics and
> lifestyle of rock music as much as rap is disliked now.
> Some of our generation did take it seriously and burned out
> on drugs or dropped out of 'normal' society, but most of us
> grew up OK, and I suspect the future generations will too.
> Why do suburban kids embrace this - I'd suspect many just to
> shock their parents, as we did with rock music. If your
> parents grew up on rock, you'd need to find something
> different to shock them - that seems to happen with every
> generation.
>
> I admit as a youth that I also "embraced thug music that
> celebrated drugs, prostitution, murder and violence", and my
> parents did think that my listening too much to WRCP was
> disturbing, but I turned out OK, too. (A few examples: "Six
> Days on The Road" Dave Dudley, "Cocaine Blues" Johnny Cash;
> "I'm The Son of Hickory Holler's Tramp" Johnny Russell, "Bed
> of Roses" Statler Brothers; "Folsom Prison Blues" Johnny
> Cash, "Life to Go" Stonewall Jackson; "Boy Named Sue" Johnny
> Cash, "Bonnie & Clyde" Merle Haggard and this doesn't begin
> to mention all the drinking & cheating songs, which I think
> worried my parents more. Today these are all considered
> "country classics" Yes, I still listen to them 30+ years
> later every day on Sirius 62 and 117 WSM and I still don't
> drink, cheat, or murder.)
>
> You have to understand that these artist didn't glorify it. They wrote about pain and experience.
>
>
> >>The thought of our precious youth embracing thug music
> that celebrates drugs, prostitution, > murder, and violence
> is actually disturbing to many people.>>
> >
>
 
2 URBAN STATIONS - GET IT?

"when most of the stations in your market
> are some brand of urban, and there is nothing to listen to".

LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT, THERE ARE TWO URBAN STATIONS IN PHILADELPHIA, POWER 99 AND 100.3 THE BEAT! They cater to a black audience.

Wired 96.5 and Q102 play some urban music, but if you check Billboard you'll see that the Top 40 hits are that format. Wired and Q play James Blunt, Power and The Beat DO NOT.

There are 2 urban stations in Philadelphia, Power 99 and 100.3 The Beat.
 
Re: A Post Name Schrack

> Folks,
> This was a post about the viability of active rock and
> it's difficulty in getting 25-54 dollars. While we should
> all hate racism, this is about rock, 18-34 and ad dollars.
> >
>

That is natural fact...but when a post from schRACK....the post gets out a whack....the thread becomes a long stack....to read all these you need crack.....which is alot of Phlack......and everyone attack.... from a post name SCHrak.

Hey, if I can do it, anyone can....Break it down.... Were outta here.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by apco25 on 03/16/06 12:29 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: 2 URBAN STATIONS - GET IT?

You ask too much: They'll never get their agenda addressed by applying logic!

> LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT, THERE ARE TWO URBAN STATIONS IN
> PHILADELPHIA, POWER 99 AND 100.3 THE BEAT! They cater to a
> black audience.
>
> Wired 96.5 and Q102 play some urban music, but if you check
> Billboard you'll see that the Top 40 hits are that format.
> Wired and Q play James Blunt, Power and The Beat DO NOT.
>
> There are 2 urban stations in Philadelphia, Power 99 and
> 100.3 The Beat.
>
 
Re: A Post Name Schrack

> > Folks,
> > This was a post about the viability of active rock and
> > it's difficulty in getting 25-54 dollars. While we should
> > all hate racism, this is about rock, 18-34 and ad dollars.
>
> > >
> >
>
> That is natural fact...but when a post from schRACK....the
> post gets out a whack....the thread becomes a long
> stack....to read all these you need crack.....which is alot
> of Phlack......and everyone attack.... from a post name
> SCHrak.
>
> Hey, if I can do it, anyone can....Break it down.... Were
> outta here.
>
Im surpised you and musicrrr are not banned yet, that is personal attacks and he said the most inteleigent post in this whole thread while you guys embrace racism and knock down rap<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: A Post Name Schrack

> > > Folks,
> > > This was a post about the viability of active rock and
>
> > > it's difficulty in getting 25-54 dollars. While we
> should
> > > all hate racism, this is about rock, 18-34 and ad
> dollars.
> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > That is natural fact...but when a post from schRACK....the
>
> > post gets out a whack....the thread becomes a long
> > stack....to read all these you need crack.....which is
> alot
> > of Phlack......and everyone attack.... from a post name
> > SCHrak.
> >
> > Hey, if I can do it, anyone can....Break it down.... Were
> > outta here.
> >
> Im surpised you and musicrrr are not banned yet, that is
> personal attacks and he said the most inteleigent post in
> this whole thread while you guys embrace racism and knock
> down rap
>


Yes your real inteleigent yourself. I'm sorry I corrected you and your spelling, I guess that's a personal attack. The problem with people like you is that you like to force everyone in your stiff dry mode. Lighten the Hell up, and quit playing do gooder. And quit following me around from market to market, or I'll file stalking charges on you....you brute.
 
Re: Come on guys...there is only one reason

<font face="verdana">Hi. Hello. Hi. Wow! Wowwy-wow-wow. :)

While I can't quite go along with all of what you've said, I agree with quite a lot of it. I'm not entirely sure I think Rock is disappearing. I know there's not as much of it...you know, on the radio...right here in Philadelphia. But that's because one of the four rock stations ceased to exist.

And the reason Rock is now represented by three stations instead of four is so, so simple: Money. Radio is a business. There are dollars to be made and shareholders to please. With terrestrial radio trying to exist in its current, rather dire environment, there can be no other way for a company to make these decisions.

See...you had WMMR and WMGK doing what they were doing and you had WYSP doing what they were doing...and then you had Y100. Any one of them could have flipped at any moment to something management hoped would be more lucrative.

As most of you know, I tend to prefer Jazz, AC, and Mainstream CHR over Urban and Rock formats. If Sunny or Q102 were to disappear tomorrow, I wouldn't be thrilled but I'd just accept the fact that Clear Channel thought they'd make more money with a new format. If Jerry Lee decides to flip B101 to Polka music tomorrow, yes, I would be pretty miffed. But it's his station to do with what he pleases--and what he pleases is to make more money! Allusions of racism aside (please), what happened in the world of Philly Rock radio was no different than what I just described--well, except that it actually happened.

Still, my favorite Rock station was always Y100. But I don't bitch and whine about their demise. Instead, I'm happy to have had them for the time we did. Truthfully, I never expected them to last even that long. (In reality, you all know what I'm talking about: No one was truly surprised when Y100 went off the air. That writing had been on the wall for years. It was a friggin' novel by the time Radio One pulled the plug.)

By the way, just my opinion on our Rock stations: I would like to see WMMR and WMGK sound a little less similiar and I'd like WYSP to just take on their music format full-time. The Talk thing was an interesting idea but it's not working for me (and I don't think it's working for them either). I guess people will continue to argue the point but I think Rock would be pretty well represented if that little scenario of mine were to play out.

Ahh, I can hear you screaming "But what about Alternative?" Well, I'm sorry: Alternative just isn't where it's at right now. As soon as it becomes a "money" format again--and I believe that it will--you can bet your bippy, your bottom dollar, your sweet ass (really, whatever valuable thing you might have lying around), that WMMR and WYSP will add a healthy dose of it. Patience, grasshopper.

As for Rap music dumbing-down America... I can't quite get on that wagon either. A lot of Rap--and I really mean a lot--contains socially relevant and meaningful content. Of course, there is also a lot of it that is complete crap ("total rubbish," as Simon Cowell would say). But the same can be said for Rock music. And before the top of anyone's head blows off, the same can be said for just about all music genres.

When someone tries to convince the masses that his way is the best way and that every other way is crap, I always find it a little humorous, a little frustrating, and not-just-a-little "Hitleresque." But maybe it's human nature...and I know that those sort of arguments will go on until the end of time. Or at least until this message board ceases to exist. :p

My point in the preceeding two paragraphs is simply that artistic expression takes on many, many forms and I personally don't believe that any one form is more valuable than any other. My point in this entire post, however, is that the people making money off of it see things differently: Whatever's currently most popular is what's gonna make them the most money. So that's what you're gonna hear a lot of on the radio.

As we all know, popular music is cyclical. I don't doubt for a second that Rock can and will make a big comeback. But first it has to go away. And despite all the screaming and yelling, it actually hasn't gone anywhere. </font>



> Nope. The reason rock is disappearing is because it's not
> diverse enough. It separates the races instead of bringing
> them together. Young white youth will embrace Rap/ Hip Hop
> before before the young black audience will embrace Rock.
>
> The suits who control radio and records are on a diversity
> celebrating, everyone's exactly alike and equal "kick" and
> the cultures need to come together and embrace the same
> thoughts, ideals, beliefs, and opinions.
>
> Of course there is a market for Rock in Philadelphia. Those
> who control the radio and records DON'T WANT YOU TO LISTEN
> TO IT ANYMORE. In their minds, Rock music is a form of
> caucasian culture, and they want our youth to believe that
> it is the most evil and despicable culture on the face of
> the planet.
>
> Part of the reasoning for the disappearance of Rock music is
> to end racism (so they claim), but this isn't the real
> reason. If you read a little history you will see a
> particular trend of a certain group who wants to "bring
> people together," but their reasoning behind it is to
> distract the public from what is really going on so that
> they can continue to control the money without the general
> public waking up to their devious ways.
>
> In their minds, if the general public is alike, they are
> equally stupid. There are far better terms for this
> insanity, but for all intents and purposes, I'll just call
> it the "Dumbing Down of America." And can anyone think of a
> better medium than rap music to dumb down the masses?
> Perhaps Rock isn't the most intelligent form of music on the
> planet, but at least with rap music, one has even more of a
> brilliant method of destroying our once great culture and
> national identity...the destruction of the English Language.
> Pretty brilliant on the parts of this "group" isn't it?
>
>
> While assisting a remote Disc Jockey last summer, I was
> disturbed to see 7 and 8 years old white suburban kids
> asking for Kayne West tunes...if you think THIS is
> disturbing, wait another generation or two and report back.
>
 
Re: A Post Name Schrack

>Im surpised you and musicrrr are not banned yet, that is personal attacks and he said the most inteleigent post in this whole thread while you guys embrace racism and knock down rap

In the 60's, Napoleon XIV recorded, "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha Ha Ho Ho Hee Hee." If you play the flip side of the original 45, the song is played backwards.

The flip side is more "inteleigent" than your post. Hopefully you don't perceive this fact (singular) as a personal attacks. (plural, just to imitate your interesting sentence structure)
 
Re: Come on guys...there is only one reason

> > Yeah... that sure is disturbing. How dare a white kid
> listen
> > to a black artist. Next thing you know they'll be drinking
>
> > from the same water fountain.
> >
> Unless you have something substantial to say Mr. SCRhack,
> put a sock in it. The thought of our precious youth
> embracing thug music that celebrates drugs, prostitution,
> murder, and violence is actually disturbing to many people.
>
>
> So don't start with your false accusations of racism just as
> before. You and Mr. Homerjay have made your false
> accusations of racism on this board previously and have had
> them exposed for the idiocy that they are. The two of you
> have no problems making yourselves horses asses, and you are
> displaying your talent for it now.
>
> In the meantime, I'm working on a Limerick with your name.
>
Wow, so my name is invoked in a thread I hadn't posted to. You're too kind.

If you wish to talk about false accusations, let's start with this one. What proof have you provided that the programming executives you reference are thinking the way you say they are? Where's the attributable quote? Where's the e-mail trail?

Perhaps there isn't any?

OK, we get it--you don't have what you want to hear on the dial. That, however, doesn't prove a conspiracy by programmers against "caucasian culture," whatever that is, by branding it as "the most evil and despicable culture on the face of the planet."

Now let's try another theory, equally unproven and therefore just as valid as yours. Taking your broad generalization that "white youth will embrace rap/hip-hop," to its logical conclusion, that means there's a bigger audience for rap/hip-hop music. For the most part, we're in a market-driven, capitalistic society; therefore, someone whose goal is to make the most money possible would be driven to offer what will bring in the most listeners. That could be country, rap, classical, jazz, talk or polka--to the person trying to make money, it doesn't matter. Smart businesspeople find that there are plenty of niche audiences too, and make a hell of a nice profit from appealing to those demographics...and yet, despite regular ongoing market research, no one is dropping their format to pick up what you think should be on the air. Makes you wonder why if there was a buck to be made, someone wouldn't be jumping all over it.


Oh, and by the way, plenty of rock and roll celebrates the more unsavory aspects of life.
 
It's the return of MulattoJay!

>Wow, so my name is invoked in a thread I hadn't posted to. You're too kind.

Thank you! Unlike yourself, I try to treat others with respect. I couldn't resist the MulattoJay thing. It's not that I am trying to be disrespectful, but previous posts have explained my enjoyment of using sarcasm with your screenname. Remember, it's not an example of loony labeling, it's mere levity. Liberals make me laugh more than ever, as your absurdity has demonstrated in the past. It's nothing personal, but I haven't forgotten your false accusation of racism...the one for which you have never apologized.

>If you wish to talk about false accusations, let's start with this one. What proof have you provided that the programming executives you reference are thinking the way you say they are? Where's the attributable quote? Where's the e-mail trail?

You can do better than that. I thought you liberals were prone to diversified thinking. You're a booksmart liberal...you know the truth even if you wish to pretend you don't. You are obviously well-read, but your liberal college professors have taught you to run away from what is obvious to many others. It's the dumbing down of the public. It's a legitimate theory, and we have seen multiple examples for generations.

>Perhaps there isn't any?

Sure there is. But you have previously demonstrated that you only acknowledge what Homerjay wishes to acknowledge.

>OK, we get it--you don't have what you want to hear on the dial. That, however, doesn't prove a conspiracy by programmers against "caucasian culture," whatever that is, by branding it as "the most evil and despicable culture on the face of the planet."

That has nothing to do with whether or not I can hear what I want on the dial. Don't you watch television? In any sitcom or commercial, the white man is an idiot, but he is surrounded by brilliant women and minorities. In real life nothing could be further from the truth, but mass media mental meltdown doesn't show us that, does it? Nope, Rock is racist, white males are idiots. We can do no better than our ghetto counterparts, thus, we are all the same.

The truth is, Mr. Homerjay, those who control the money don't want us to do better. They are afraid of the caucasian male...and they have good reason. Those who control the money realize that if the caucasian male displayed his true potential, he would rule the world. If the caucasian male would get his head out of the rappers ass and start embracing himself instead of celebrating diversity, the Japanese wouldn't be ahead of us.

Talk to anyone in education. American youth are dumber than ever. The standards haven't been raised, they have been lowered. Idiocy is part of our culture now, and educators lower standards to "bridge the gap." In reality, no bridge has been gapped. But it's nice to believe that we are all equal, isn't it? And one of the ways to promote equality is the dumbing down of the masses. You don't need an email or a quote to acknowledge it. Most people are aware of it.



>Now let's try another theory, equally unproven and therefore just as valid as yours. Taking your broad generalization that "white youth will embrace rap/hip-hop," to its logical conclusion, that means there's a bigger audience for rap/hip-hop music. For the most part, we're in a market-driven, capitalistic society; therefore, someone whose goal is to make the most money possible would be driven to offer what will bring in the most listeners. That could be country, rap, classical, jazz, talk or polka--to the person trying to make money, it doesn't matter. Smart businesspeople find that there are plenty of niche audiences too, and make a hell of a nice profit from appealing to those demographics...and yet, despite regular ongoing market research, no one is dropping their format to pick up what you think should be on the air. Makes you wonder why if there was a buck to be made, someone wouldn't be jumping all over it.

Interesting. There is a lot of money to be made on the dumbing down of the population. The more our youth embrace thug culture, the dumber they appear. And what do dumb people do? They believe everything they hear. And what do people who believe everthing they hear do? They spend money on what you target to them.

What do I think should be on the air? I didn't opine what I think should be on the air. I stated one of the reasons caucasian culture is disappearing. It's a legitimate theory, a lot of people embrace it, few are afraid to say it.


>Oh, and by the way, plenty of rock and roll celebrates the more unsavory aspects of life.

Hmmm. If you had read my original post (again, you only acknowledge what you wish to acknowledge as I proved back in "The Winner is MulattoJay") I stated that as well.

Nice chatting. Keep in touch!
 
I DONT GET IT...

If a station's playlist is over 80 percent black its urban to me. This makes 96.5/98.1/98.9/100.3/102.1/103.9/105.3/106.1 and 107.9 urban. Why did you omit 103.9, 105.3 and 107.9 from your bias list. Musicrrr had a fantastic point in his previous thread, in all my days in and out of radio, blacks never supported any brand of white music, country, rock, folk, surf you name it. Whereas whites, asians, hispanics etc., embraced black music. If it aint black oriented blacks will run from it. The Kanya West point is a valid one, he can attack the president and defy America and call it whiteys country and have white kids love him, when they have no idea what he is about. Its the same with all Rap and Hip Hop music, it downs the white race and these white kids have no clue what the lyrics are as they suck it up. Do blacks really want whites to listen to their noise, I don't think so. When was the last time you heard a Rock or Metal cut downing blacks, but you hear it day after day on the Rap tracks, ripping whitey. I don't really give a damn what is on the dial, as long as the Rockers have their outlet, but I guess that would be racist. If you dispute this you will look like a bigger fool than you really are, and this goes for the other two block heads that are always on my butt.
 
Re: Come on guys...there is only one reason

> Hi. Hello. Hi. Wow! Wowwy-wow-wow. :)
>
> While I can't quite go along with all of what you've said, I
> agree with quite a lot of it. I'm not entirely sure I think
> Rock is disappearing. I know there's not as much of
> it...you know, on the radio...right here in Philadelphia.
> But that's because one of the four rock stations ceased to
> exist.
>
> And the reason Rock is now represented by three stations
> instead of four is so, so simple: Money. Radio is a
> business. There are dollars to be made and shareholders to
> please. With terrestrial radio trying to exist in its
> current, rather dire environment, there can be no other way
> for a company to make these decisions.
>
> See...you had WMMR and WMGK doing what they were doing and
> you had WYSP doing what they were doing...and then you had
> Y100. Any one of them could have flipped at any moment to
> something management hoped would be more lucrative.
>
> As most of you know, I tend to prefer Jazz, AC, and
> Mainstream CHR over Urban and Rock formats. If Sunny or
> Q102 were to disappear tomorrow, I wouldn't be thrilled but
> I'd just accept the fact that Clear Channel thought they'd
> make more money with a new format. If Jerry Lee decides to
> flip B101 to Polka music tomorrow, yes, I would be pretty
> miffed. But it's his station to do with what he
> pleases--and what he pleases is to make more money!
> Allusions of racism aside (please), what happened in the
> world of Philly Rock radio was no different than what I just
> described--well, except that it actually happened.
>
> Still, my favorite Rock station was always Y100. But I
> don't bitch and whine about their demise. Instead, I'm
> happy to have had them for the time we did. Truthfully, I
> never expected them to last even that long. (In reality,
> you all know what I'm talking about: No one was truly
> surprised when Y100 went off the air. That writing had been
> on the wall for years. It was a friggin' novel by the time
> Radio One pulled the plug.)
>
> By the way, just my opinion on our Rock stations: I would
> like to see WMMR and WMGK sound a little less similiar and
> I'd like WYSP to just take on their music format full-time.
> The Talk thing was an interesting idea but it's not working
> for me (and I don't think it's working for them either). I
> guess people will continue to argue the point but I think
> Rock would be pretty well represented if that little
> scenario of mine were to play out.
>
> Ahh, I can hear you screaming "But what about Alternative?"
> Well, I'm sorry: Alternative just isn't where it's at right
> now. As soon as it becomes a "money" format again--and I
> believe that it will--you can bet your bippy, your bottom
> dollar, your sweet ass (really, whatever valuable thing you
> might have lying around), that WMMR and WYSP will add a
> healthy dose of it. Patience, grasshopper.
>
> As for Rap music dumbing-down America... I can't quite get
> on that wagon either. A lot of Rap--and I really mean a
> lot--contains socially relevant and meaningful content. Of
> course, there is also a lot of it that is complete crap
> ("total rubbish," as Simon Cowell would say). But the same
> can be said for Rock music. And before the top of anyone's
> head blows off, the same can be said for just about all
> music genres.
>
> When someone tries to convince the masses that his way is
> the best way and that every other way is crap, I always find
> it a little humorous, a little frustrating, and
> not-just-a-little "Hitleresque." But maybe it's human
> nature...and I know that those sort of arguments will go on
> until the end of time. Or at least until this message board
> ceases to exist. :p
>
> My point in the preceeding two paragraphs is simply that
> artistic expression takes on many, many forms and I
> personally don't believe that any one form is more valuable
> than any other. My point in this entire post, however, is
> that the people making money off of it see things
> differently: Whatever's currently most popular is what's
> gonna make them the most money. So that's what you're gonna
> hear a lot of on the radio.
>
> As we all know, popular music is cyclical. I don't doubt
> for a second that Rock can and will make a big comeback.
> But first it has to go away. And despite all the screaming
> and yelling, it actually hasn't gone anywhere.
>
>
>
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Re: I DONT GET IT...

If you dispute this you will
> look like a bigger fool than you really are, and this goes
> for the other two block heads that are always on my butt.


Why do you always think your opinion is the only one, and any other opinion cannot exist in your narrow minded little world? Didn't the Dixie Chicks criticize the president too KKKountry boy?

E. Gill CVI is right, we need to, especially me, stop responding to your race driven monotonous posts.
 
Re: Come on guys...there is only one reason

Thanks! :)

> now this is the most inteligent post, I agree with all the
> points you made
>
 
Re: I DONT GET IT...

> If a station's playlist is over 80 percent black its urban
> to me. This makes
> 96.5/98.1/98.9/100.3/102.1/103.9/105.3/106.1 and 107.9
> urban. Why did you omit 103.9, 105.3 and 107.9 from your
> bias list. Musicrrr had a fantastic point in his previous
> thread, in all my days in and out of radio, blacks never
> supported any brand of white music, country, rock, folk,
> surf you name it. Whereas whites, asians, hispanics etc.,
> embraced black music. If it aint black oriented blacks will
> run from it. The Kanya West point is a valid one, he can
> attack the president and defy America and call it whiteys
> country and have white kids love him, when they have no idea
> what he is about. Its the same with all Rap and Hip Hop
> music, it downs the white race and these white kids have no
> clue what the lyrics are as they suck it up. Do blacks
> really want whites to listen to their noise, I don't think
> so. When was the last time you heard a Rock or Metal cut
> downing blacks, but you hear it day after day on the Rap
> tracks, ripping whitey. I don't really give a damn what is
> on the dial, as long as the Rockers have their outlet, but I
> guess that would be racist. If you dispute this you will
> look like a bigger fool than you really are, and this goes
> for the other two block heads that are always on my butt.
>

Wait, if a station plays 80% or more "black" music then it's an urban station? That makes NO sense! So if 80% of WMMR was Jimi Hendrix, would it mean it's an urban station?

Why does it always come down to race?

Why do whites accept "black" music and blacks don't accept "white" music.

From my statement above, Jimi Hendrix is black, but is he urban music? White people embraced him. How about Motown? How about R&B (like Luther, Patti LaBelle, and others that B101 plays)?

Is this always going to be a race issue?
 
Re: It's the return of MulattoJay!

>>I couldn't resist the MulattoJay thing.

That much is obvious.

>>It's not that I am trying to be disrespectful,

Just doing quite a good job of it.

>>but previous posts have explained my enjoyment of using sarcasm with your screenname. Remember, it's not an example of loony labeling, it's mere levity. Liberals make me laugh more than ever, as your absurdity has demonstrated in the past. It's nothing personal, but I haven't forgotten your false accusation of racism...the one for which you have never apologized.

>>You can do better than that. I thought you liberals were prone to diversified thinking. You're a booksmart liberal...you know the truth even if you wish to pretend you don't.

The first flaw in your argument is assuming someone is a liberal. On many issues, I have opinions that fall into the so-called “liberal” camp. On many others, my opinion is in the “conservative” space.

>>You are obviously well-read, but your liberal college professors have taught you to run away from what is obvious to many others.

Hmmm, perhaps you mean the professor who flunked me because I refused to subscribe to the theory that MOVE was the complete victim in the Osage avenue debacle. I defended, vigorously, the police actions. Liberal professor? Quite possibly (one can have different opinions than those sanctioned by the RNC/DNC on individual issues). “Run away?” Nope, afraid not. Never have run away, never will. Try again.

>>It's the dumbing down of the public. It's a legitimate theory, and we have seen multiple examples for generations.

Who said it wasn't a legitimate theory? I said it was, as was the one I put forth, unproven. Many people have a theory that the Katrina response was some indication of racial bias on the part of the White House. I disagree, but can’t prove my belief that no racial bias existed any more than they can prove it did, until someone comes up with a smoking gun in one form or another.

>>But you have previously demonstrated that you only acknowledge what Homerjay wishes to acknowledge.

>OK, we get it--you don't have what you want to hear on the dial. That, however, doesn't prove a conspiracy by programmers against "caucasian culture," whatever that is, by branding it as "the most evil and despicable culture on the face of the planet."

>>That has nothing to do with whether or not I can hear what I want on the dial. Don't you watch television? In any sitcom or commercial, the white man is an idiot, but he is surrounded by brilliant women and minorities.

Sitcoms also imply every issue or wacky situation can be wrapped up in 22 minutes (maybe 44 if it’s a “very special” two-part episode). Many sitcoms also have portrayed women as ditzy, but that doesn’t make it true.

>>In real life nothing could be further from the truth, but mass media mental meltdown doesn't show us that, does it? Nope, Rock is racist, white males are idiots. We can do no better than our ghetto counterparts, thus, we are all the same.

>>The truth is, Mr. Homerjay, those who control the money don't want us to do better. They are afraid of the caucasian male...and they have good reason.

Fight the power!! Don’t let them keep you down! Rebel against those oppressors that keep you from…what was it they’re keeping you from again? Jobs? Opportunity?

>>Those who control the money realize that if the caucasian male displayed his true potential, he would rule the world

Leader of the free world=white male. Has been for, what, a couple of hundred years now? The vast majority of the legislative body in the leading free country in the world=white males. Majority of top judges in the leading free country in the world=white males. CEOs and board members of the majority of Fortune 500 companies=white males.

Where, exactly, are we underrepresented in that mix?

>>If the caucasian male would get his head out of the rappers ass and start embracing himself instead of celebrating diversity, the Japanese wouldn't be ahead of us. Talk to anyone in education. American youth are dumber than ever. The standards haven't been raised, they have been lowered.

Wait, I thought no child was being left behind under the current administration. Maybe they misled me.

>>Idiocy is part of our culture now, and educators lower standards to "bridge the gap." In reality, no bridge has been gapped. But it's nice to believe that we are all equal, isn't it?

Yeah, quaint notion that “All men are created equal” phrase.

>>And one of the ways to promote equality is the dumbing down of the masses. You don't need an email or a quote to acknowledge it. Most people are aware of it.

”Most people?” By what measure? Most people you know? That doesn’t pass any scientific or statistical test.

People liking what you despise is not in and of itself proof of causing a “dumbing down of the masses.” If you want to use an objective measure measurable over time by employing the same metrics to point to a decline in education, fine; however, you’ve not proven a causation between rap music and/or diversity and said scores. If you found a trend of decreasing test scores over the past six years, you couldn’t prove causation with the return to a Republican administration, either—just a parallel track.

>>Interesting. There is a lot of money to be made on the dumbing down of the population.

There’s also a substantial amount to be gained if you “smartened up” the population. Depends on the products or services you’re hawking.

>>The more our youth embrace thug culture, the dumber they appear.

And by thug do you automatically mean black? I’ve seen many teens listening to rock—not rap—who look to me like thugs, and those who listen to rap who look far less menacing. One-size-fits-all approaches seldom work.

>>And what do dumb people do? They believe everything they hear. And what do people who believe everthing they hear do? They spend money on what you target to them. What do I think should be on the air? I didn't opine what I think should be on the air.

Open to debate, but you certainly opine about what shouldn’t be on the air. As in anything recorded by a black artist.

>>I stated one of the reasons caucasian culture is disappearing. It's a legitimate theory, a lot of people embrace it, few are afraid to say it.

Of course it’s a legitimate theory, but it’s no more proven than the theory Elvis is still alive.

>>Hmmm. If you had read my original post (again, you only acknowledge what you wish to acknowledge as I proved back in "The Winner is MulattoJay") I stated that as well.

Then are those artists responsible for the “dumbing of the masses” in equal measure? Are they thugs? Is it problematic for the youth to embrace that? Or is it OK simply because it’s “Caucasian” culture (whatever the heck that is supposed to be)?

Nice chatting. Keep in touch!
 
Homerjay strikes again!

>>I couldn't resist the MulattoJay thing.

That much is obvious.

>>It's not that I am trying to be disrespectful,

Just doing quite a good job of it.

No harm intended. I am a reasonable fellow. But you once responded to one of my posts by saying that perhaps I was late for my klan meeting. That accusation was absurd and unfounded, and I responded by giving you that nickname. You remember. If I am "doing a good job of it" it is only because you were disrespectful to me before I was disrespectful to you...which is why you earned that ridiculous nickname.

I might add that you still haven't apologized.

>The first flaw in your argument is assuming someone is a liberal. On many issues, I have opinions that fall into the so-called “liberal” camp. On many others, my opinion is in the “conservative” space.

Based on our past posts, I have to take issue with this. I don't think I'm making an unfounded assumption here. Many of your posts have been quite liberal...and you have enjoyed contradicting many things I've said by taking liberal arguments and positions to dismiss me at times. I'm not assuming you are a liberal, I'm only taking an educated guess that you probably are based on what I've read from you in the past.

To be honest, I actually like when you respond to things I say. You make one think about things he has written more than a lot of others here. Having said that, you do tend to sometimes only acknowledge what you wish to acknowledge in order to support your own agenda. It's a clever trick, and it works with many, but it doesn't work with me.

>Hmmm, perhaps you mean the professor who flunked me because I refused to subscribe to the theory that MOVE was the complete victim in the Osage avenue debacle. I defended, vigorously, the police actions. Liberal professor? Quite possibly (one can have different opinions than those sanctioned by the RNC/DNC on individual issues). “Run away?” Nope, afraid not. Never have run away, never will. Try again.

Fair enough...maybe. But I have to take issue with this as well. You once stated to me that, "I would likely be more embarrassed for misspelling the same word twice in once sentence." Yes, you typed ONCE SENTENCE. That amused me. I responded by telling you that before you attempt to undermine the way I think, you should check your own spelling.

That, combined with the klan thing, and at times your acknowledgment of only what is convenient for your own agenda, painted a picture in my mind that you were grasping at straws...to me it was a desperate attempt on your part to dismiss what I had written...to sort of "cut and run." Again, it's very clever...it works well with many people...I too have done it. It's amusing, but it doesn't work with me...and admitedly, it doesn't work with you...as you have proven with your clever responses to some of my posts. Again, thank you.

>Who said it wasn't a legitimate theory? I said it was, as was the one I put forth, unproven. Many people have a theory that the Katrina response was some indication of racial bias on the part of the White House. I disagree, but can’t prove my belief that no racial bias existed any more than they can prove it did, until someone comes up with a smoking gun in one form or another.

OK. Call it a theory...call it an opinion. I subscribe to it, and I will stand by it. Can I prove it 100%? Perhaps not. Can I produce evidence to support it? Yes I can. This isn't the forum for it, as it isn't the forum for you to introduce evidence on your opinion of Hurricane Katrina. If one had to produce a "smoking gun" in order to introduce independent thought or his own opinion, I suppose there would be fewer debates.

>Sitcoms also imply every issue or wacky situation can be wrapped up in 22 minutes (maybe 44 if it’s a “very special” two-part episode). Many sitcoms also have portrayed women as ditzy, but that doesn’t make it true.

Edith Bunker anyone? I'll give you that one. But unlike you and I, many people BELIEVE AND SUBSCRIBE TO what they see on television as the Bible truth. You and I know better, but many people don't. And quite frankly it's annoying to constantly see the white male portrayed as an idiot on many of the commercials on TV today. It's a current trend in our society, and I don't like it.

>Leader of the free world=white male. Has been for, what, a couple of hundred years now? The vast majority of the legislative body in the leading free country in the world=white males. Majority of top judges in the leading free country in the world=white males. CEOs and board members of the majority of Fortune 500 companies=white males.

Where, exactly, are we underrepresented in that mix?

Well, I am referring to a specific group of white males who throughout history have exploited black people and have infilitrated our minds with garbage and lies in order to keep society confused about real issues and issues that actually matter to us. This particular group of white males succeeds in this endeavor through its control of the press, electronic media, universities, and money. Their reasoning? To distract us so that we don't catch on to their devious ways and overthrow them from their prominent positions.

And no, I'm not a hater. But there is evidence to support this theory. Can I prove it 100%? Perhaps not, but I can introduce evidence to support it, and again, we have agreed that even without a "smoking gun," there is room for debate and opinions.

>Wait, I thought no child was being left behind under the current administration. Maybe they misled me.

Oh I get it...clever. I am an idiotic conservative who blindly supports this administration. Wrong again. Yes, everyday I wake up without an airplane in my living room I thank this administration. But no child left behind? Not quite. Some will always be left behind. More than anything, Dubya sounds like one of your liberal cronies with this type of "feel good" domestic policy. Do I support it? No. It's a ridiculous policy.

>Most people?” By what measure? Most people you know? That doesn’t pass any scientific or statistical test.

You're unbelievable. Everything with you is a scientific test. You tear apart everything I say. And the odd thing is that I think you actually dig it. OK, perhaps in this particular case you are correct. I have no evidence to support this. But unlike you, I can admit when I am wrong.

>People liking what you despise is not in and of itself proof of causing a “dumbing down of the masses.”

Perhaps not. I haven't stated a hypothesis, tested it, and recorded the results. Who the hell has the time? But I have seen plenty of youth influenced by rap music. These youth walk the walk, and talk the rappin' talk. To me, they sound more idiotic than ever, and act very disrespectfully toward others. Pure causation? Perhaps not. Other determining factors? Perhaps so. But I have identified a definite parallel...and again, I don't like it.

>And by thug do you automatically mean black? I’ve seen many teens listening to rock—not rap—who look to me like thugs, and those who listen to rap who look far less menacing. One-size-fits-all approaches seldom work.

That's fine. You take your chances in North Philly. I'll stick to the Rockin' burbs. And I like Sinatra and Real Oldies.

>Open to debate, but you certainly opine about what shouldn’t be on the air. As in anything recorded by a black artist.

Talk about a "one size fits all approach." Where is your scientific method? Where are your proven results? When and where did I say that black artists shouldn't be on the air? I myself used to be on the air. I played quite a few black artists who recorded decent music. It didn't celebrate thugs, drugs, murder, and violence. That is the difference.

Again, you display your talent for acknowledging what suits your own agenda, even if it is a blatant and obvious untruth.

>Then are those artists responsible for the “dumbing of the masses” in equal measure? Are they thugs? Is it problematic for the youth to embrace that? Or is it OK simply because it’s “Caucasian” culture (whatever the heck that is supposed to be)?

Still open for debate. Mr. Homerjay, you present the hypothesis, the method of testing the hypothesis, and I'll consider gathering the data.

Until then, nice chatting. Keep in touch!
 
Re: I DONT GET IT...

> Is this always going to be a race issue?

On these radio boards: Yep. Seemingly every day, the most benign topics here get turned into agenda-laden rants worthy of (BLEEP) literature. I don't like it either but it ain't my Web site!
 
> It is a known fact that the Active Rock audiance is bigger,
> spends greater and is more advertiser friendly than the
> moldy oldies crowd. YSP always had higher numbers than OGL
> on the music end. Why don't the briefcase bandits move the
> Oldies format to 94.1, sandwiched inbetween the chatter and
> move the Active Rock format to 98.1, FULL TIME. Do they
> think the soccer moms and Motown freaks that make up most of
> OGL's audiance, could not take the vulgar talk until 7pm and
> weekends, when the oldies take over and visa versa with the
> Rock freaks that love that kind of talk mixed with their
> music. Bottom line is, put Active Rock on 98.1 24/7/365 and
> block program the oldies on 94.1 mixed with the hot talk.
> When the talk format fails in time, 94.1 could revert back
> to oldies 24/7/365. Just a thought.
>
This would be really neat but it is never going to happen.
 
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