WPBS, Conyers Silent

[Josh Owens]

▪ Vanessa Ngyuen’s 1040 WPBS Conyers GA (Financial reasons)

FCC Report 7/19: Saga Surrenders WZAN Portland

License Cancellations Saga Communications has surrendered the license for 970 WZAN Portland ME. Its Classic Country “101.5 The Outlaw” programming continues on W268CS Portland fed by 100.9 WYNZ-HD3. The University of Florida requests the cancellation of 88.5 WUFQ Cross City FL. WUFQ had...

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[MrRadio]

Sad.

I lived a block from the station’s original studios when it was Top 40 WCGA and was on 1050 AM. It signed on in 1979.

 

[KilowattKat]

It appears they can't find a buyer. This one is probably gone permanently.

For Sale - Atlanta GA Market AM Station with FM Translator For Sale

For sale: AM radio station and FM translator that serve the Atlanta market (from the east side of Atlanta). The AM is a 50 kw nondirectional that puts a 0.5 mV/m protected contour over all of Atlanta, and east as far as Athens, and the transmitter site and tower are owned. For more details...

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[Josh Owens]

It appears they can't find a buyer. This one is probably gone permanently.

For Sale - Atlanta GA Market AM Station with FM Translator For Sale

For sale: AM radio station and FM translator that serve the Atlanta market (from the east side of Atlanta). The AM is a 50 kw nondirectional that puts a 0.5 mV/m protected contour over all of Atlanta, and east as far as Athens, and the transmitter site and tower are owned. For more details...

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I remember seeing that thread, but couldn't find it in search. Reckon I didn't use the right terms. ) Unfortunately, you're probably right.

 

[jabba17]

10 acres and a translator on 99.1? Can someone sell a translator by itself?

I could see this one being a land play; 10 acres in a decent location that doesn't appear to be a floodplain.

 

[PTBoardOp93]

10 acres and a translator on 99.1? Can someone sell a translator by itself?

Usually, yes. But certain translators applied for during "AM revitalization" proceedings are permanently tied to their AM license.

This translator, W256DJ, is one of those which is permanently tied to WPBS, so they must be sold together, and if WPBS were to be cancelled, W256DJ must be forfeited as well.

 

[jabba17]

Usually, yes. But certain translators applied for during "AM revitalization" proceedings are permanently tied to their AM license.

This translator, W256DJ, is one of those which is permanently tied to WPBS, so they must be sold together, and if WPBS were to be cancelled, W256DJ must be forfeited as well.

I guess someone could apply to put one on 99.1, from scratch, the moment it is cancelled.

It's 160W, and must be directional or something--98.9 was on 99.1 until Class C1 WDEN in Macon complained. Of course, the Cumulus translators have really high HAATs.

Maybe Georgia Radio Alliance could buy it (along with the AM) and put Fox FM on it.

 

[PTBoardOp93]

I guess someone could apply to put one on 99.1, from scratch, the moment it is cancelled.

When there is another translator application window, yes. There has not been one in several years.

 

[K.M. Richards]

When there is another translator application window, yes. There has not been one in several years.

You bring up a point that many participants here misunderstand ... if they even know it at all.

The days of proposing a new facility from scratch by filing with the FCC are long gone. These days, there are filing windows, and if you miss one, you have no recourse but to wait for the next one.

You can't even find a vacant full-power FM allocation and apply for it. You have to wait until the FCC gathers up a bunch of them and conducts an auction of same. And it's not even an auction for the station construction permit itself, it's just the right to apply for that frequency in that community.

The next time I see someone say something along the lines of "I guess someone could apply to put one on 99.1, from scratch" I'm going to scream.

And the same goes for people who -- years after it became a reality -- do not realize that some translators are permanently attached to their parent AM ... because they came out of a filing window that specified up front that the proposed translators had to be pre-assigned to an existing AM, that the licenses would be tied together, and there was no divorcing them later. This has been discussed ad nauseum here on RD for years, and yet it still doesn't sink in for some reason.

What's the use of posting on a message board if you don't learn from misstatements that are corrected?

 

[R.D.P.]

Well said, @K.M. Richards.

Dan <><

 

[PTBoardOp93]

What's the use of posting on a message board if you don't learn from misstatements that are corrected?

With respect to our fellow posters, I have read thousands of threads on here since WPBS received its translator, and it was only in the last year or two that I learned about certain translators being permanently tied to their parent AMs (from Fybush, of course).

That specific fact is pretty niche knowledge. It seems self-evident that a station that is still on the air would want to keep its translator, so it has become more relevant as more AMs have begun to fail.

 

[K.M. Richards]

With respect to our fellow posters, I have read thousands of threads on here since WPBS received its translator, and it was only in the last year or two that I learned about certain translators being permanently tied to their parent AMs (from Fybush, of course).

The difference is that you learned where so many have not. That puts you far above the posters that I was referencing.

What I would like to see is more people increasing their knowledge base from their experience. What I end up seeing is an apparent of knowledge going in one ear and out the other.

 

[jabba17]

You bring up a point that many participants here misunderstand ... if they even know it at all.

The days of proposing a new facility from scratch by filing with the FCC are long gone. These days, there are filing windows, and if you miss one, you have no recourse but to wait for the next one.

You can't even find a vacant full-power FM allocation and apply for it. You have to wait until the FCC gathers up a bunch of them and conducts an auction of same. And it's not even an auction for the station construction permit itself, it's just the right to apply for that frequency in that community.

The next time I see someone say something along the lines of "I guess someone could apply to put one on 99.1, from scratch" I'm going to scream.

And the same goes for people who -- years after it became a reality -- do not realize that some translators are permanently attached to their parent AM ... because they came out of a filing window that specified up front that the proposed translators had to be pre-assigned to an existing AM, that the licenses would be tied together, and there was no divorcing them later. This has been discussed ad nauseum here on RD for years, and yet it still doesn't sink in for some reason.

What's the use of posting on a message board if you don't learn from misstatements that are corrected?

You know, I learn new things every day. That's good. I love an entertaining discussion.

But one way to kill a message board is to be nasty about it and try to gatekeep the comments.

Then nobody learns anything because "if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it..."

 

[K.M. Richards]

But one way to kill a message board is to be nasty about it and try to gatekeep the comments.

I find it interesting that whenever I try to give explanations in the context of a discussion, even though carefully worded to avoid the appearance of personal attacks, someone always accuses me of the above.

Get over it, please. I'm just trying to help you enhance your knowledge base you can comment better. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Josh Owens]

If someone doesn't like your position, that's on them. If they don't like your disposition, it's on you. That may not be exactly quoted and I don't know who originally said it anyway, but it's pretty close and worth repeating.

 

[K.M. Richards]

If someone doesn't like your position, that's on them. If they don't like your disposition, it's on you. That may not be exactly quoted and I don't know who originally said it anyway, but it's pretty close and worth repeating.

That's actually one of the drawbacks of text-based message boards. We lack the visual and aural clues from seeing and hearing someone speak to determine what someone's intent is, so we have to guess at it strictly from the words chosen.

For example, Josh, I am certain that you have developed a talent for being able to make those kind of judgments just from hearing the tone and volume of someone's voice. I have been told by other blind people that's very common since you cannot see facial expressions, etc.

So if someone reads a post, and takes it wrong, it becomes easy to jump to the conclusion that the poster is "being nasty about it" or is "trying to be a gatekeeper".

I would invite everyone to read my original posts, #9 and #12.

It was @PTBoardOp93 who originally replied to @jabba17, not me. I took that opportunity to expand on what he said so that anyone reading who did not already know the full information would now have it. Yes, I said that there is a problem with people who don't learn from corrections, and yes, it drives me crazy when people post their misconceptions as fact. But what I see here is someone accusing me of being "nasty" and a "gatekeeper" when I wasn't the one who corrected him in the first place ... just the one who gave a more complete explanation so he would be able to know more than he had originally.

So ... whose disposition should we be trying to determine here? Who gets to decide what a person's intent is based only on the printed text? How much can we honestly read into a post when every person interprets the post in their own way?

Really ... I could read the same post on a day that's gone well for me and have an entirely different opinion of it if I had the worst day.

 

[Josh Owens]

Re: my position/disposition post, I was speaking generally, not specifically to one person. Yes, @K.M. Richards, if I'm actually listening to someone in person or say, on the phone, I can see their expression in/via their voice and/or the tone thereof, etc, or, to put it another way, as I tell my kids and as I told a preacher out of our church a while back, I can see a smile. Text-based posting is harder to read, in that sense, so there is, for lack of a better term, unfortunately, a margin of error. Roundabout related, when I post a message on the podcast, I do my dead level best, to put the title just however the preacher, teacher, exhorter, says it, including commas for pauses and exclamation points and other punctuation, as needed. Sometimes, those words can get a little interesting, too.