WPRO, WBZ, 'RANK' higher than WHJJ!!!

[alancohen88]

WHJJ has had the long awaited MELTDOWN. !!
A Boston Ma. station, WBZ, has a higher ranking than WHJJ the local R.I. station!!!!Never heard of! General Manager Jim Corwin should immediately resign .
Reasons,
1) Losing John Depetro.
2)Gettimg Air America.
3) Geoff Charles drug infested AM talk show. -Ranked lowest!
4) That SCAM promotion- 'Whos going to be the next great HJJ Talk show Host.'
5) Lowest ranking of a once great station.
WHJJ should immediately offer DEPETRO WHATEVER he wants to get him back on HJJ. 2nd, Hire Helen Glover, Tony Farr,lure Matt Allen in for local talk back up. 3rd, Laura Ingraham, (if available), Dr. Laura, for national content.
Finally, How could Clear Channel EVER let this happen.???!!!
Alan.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by alancohen88 on 07/23/05 03:05 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[kenwood]

> WHJJ has had the long awaited MELTDOWN. !!
> A Boston Ma. station, WBZ, has a higher ranking than WHJJ
> the local R.I. station!!!!Never heard of! General Manager
> Jim Corwin should immediately resign .
> Reasons,
> 1) Losing John Depetro.
> 2)Gettimg Air America.
> 3) Geoff Charles drug infested AM talk show. -Ranked lowest!
>
> 4) That SCAM promotion- 'Whos going to be the next great HJJ
> Talk show Host.'
> 5) Lowest ranking of a once great station.
> WHJJ should immediately offer DEPETRO WHATEVER he wants
> to get him back on HJJ. 2nd, Hire Helen Glover, Tony
> Farr,lure Matt Allen in for local talk back up. 3rd, Laura
> Ingraham, (if available), Dr. Laura, for national content.
> Finally, How could Clear Channel EVER let this
> happen.???!!!
> Alan.
> >
>
My Opinion if you have Proof. The District Manager should pay a visit to the Ghetto Plex and Echo these three words "Jim, You're Fired."

 

[Oldpro]

> > WHJJ has had the long awaited MELTDOWN. !!
> > A Boston Ma. station, WBZ, has a higher ranking than WHJJ
>
> > the local R.I. station!!!!Never heard of! General Manager
> > Jim Corwin should immediately resign .
> > Reasons,
> > 1) Losing John Depetro.
> > 2)Gettimg Air America.
> > 3) Geoff Charles drug infested AM talk show. -Ranked
> lowest!
> >
> > 4) That SCAM promotion- 'Whos going to be the next great
> HJJ
> > Talk show Host.'
> > 5) Lowest ranking of a once great station.
> > WHJJ should immediately offer DEPETRO WHATEVER he wants
>
> > to get him back on HJJ. 2nd, Hire Helen Glover, Tony
> > Farr,lure Matt Allen in for local talk back up. 3rd, Laura
>
> > Ingraham, (if available), Dr. Laura, for national content.
>
> > Finally, How could Clear Channel EVER let this
> > happen.???!!!
> > Alan.
> > >
> >
> My Opinion if you have Proof. The District Manager should
> pay a visit to the Ghetto Plex and Echo these three words
> "Jim, You're Fired."
>

I agree with both of you...but you forget two things.

1. Depetro has a contract...so coming back is not an option right now.
2. The jerks that you want to fire Corwin, are the same fools who hired him!

There are none so blind as those who will not see!

 

[alancohen88]

> > > WHJJ has had the long awaited MELTDOWN. !!
> > > A Boston Ma. station, WBZ, has a higher ranking than
> WHJJ
> >
> > > the local R.I. station!!!!Never heard of! General
> Manager
> > > Jim Corwin should immediately resign .
> > > Reasons,
> > > 1) Losing John Depetro.
> > > 2)Gettimg Air America.
> > > 3) Geoff Charles drug infested AM talk show. -Ranked
> > lowest!
> > >
> > > 4) That SCAM promotion- 'Whos going to be the next great
>
> > HJJ
> > > Talk show Host.'
> > > 5) Lowest ranking of a once great station.
> > > WHJJ should immediately offer DEPETRO WHATEVER he
> wants
> >
> > > to get him back on HJJ. 2nd, Hire Helen Glover, Tony
> > > Farr,lure Matt Allen in for local talk back up. 3rd,
> Laura
> >
> > > Ingraham, (if available), Dr. Laura, for national
> content.
> >
> > > Finally, How could Clear Channel EVER let this
> > > happen.???!!!
> > > Alan.
> > > >
> > >
> > My Opinion if you have Proof. The District Manager should
> > pay a visit to the Ghetto Plex and Echo these three words
> > "Jim, You're Fired."
> >
>
> I agree with both of you...but you forget two things.
>
> 1. Depetro has a contract...so coming back is not an option
> right now.
> 2. The jerks that you want to fire Corwin, are the same
> fools who hired him!
>
> There are none so blind as those who will not see!
>////
//// Well said Spellwell and Kenwood.
Clear Channel will do something ,because they are about the *numbers* I was wondering what you thought of my suggestions? Does anyone want to chime in???
Thanks,
Alan.

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

This is Cheap Channel we're talking about!

I wouldn't be surprised if Geoff Cahrles and Arlene Violet's local shows get axed and replaced by syndicated liberal talk programming.

That way, WHJJ-920's profits will go up because two expensive local hosts will have been replaced by chepaer (if not free) syndicated content.

I would think that many former people who worked at 920 back when it was known as WJAR are probably stunned that a once-great Providence AM radio station with a pretty good signal (especially daytime) has fallen on such hard times ratings-wise.

Personally, Air America may have been a better fit for WARL-1320. Perhaps WHJJ should instead have tried to move syndicated talk programming from CC-owned Premiere Networks over to their own station. Not only would they have badly wounded WPRO-630 (who would have lost Rush Limbaugh and George Noory, among others), but 'HJJ's own numbers might have gone way up.

But Clear Channel has moved agressively to get "progressive" talk (mostly from Air America; with the exception of WHJJ and a couple of other stations, it's 24/7 birdfeed) on in as many of it's markets as possible.

Up here in Boston, WXKS-1430 flipped from standards to Air America last Fall, and it's 12-plus numbers have also declined big-time.

 

[alancohen88]

> This is Cheap Channel we're talking about!
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Geoff Cahrles and Arlene Violet's
> local shows get axed and replaced by syndicated liberal talk
> programming.
>
> That way, WHJJ-920's profits will go up because two
> expensive local hosts will have been replaced by chepaer (if
> not free) syndicated content.
>
> I would think that many former people who worked at 920 back
> when it was known as WJAR are probably stunned that a
> once-great Providence AM radio station with a pretty good
> signal (especially daytime) has fallen on such hard times
> ratings-wise.
>
> Personally, Air America may have been a better fit for
> WARL-1320. Perhaps WHJJ should instead have tried to move
> syndicated talk programming from CC-owned Premiere Networks
> over to their own station. Not only would they have badly
> wounded WPRO-630 (who would have lost Rush Limbaugh and
> George Noory, among others), but 'HJJ's own numbers might
> have gone way up.
>
> But Clear Channel has moved agressively to get "progressive"
> talk (mostly from Air America; with the exception of WHJJ
> and a couple of other stations, it's 24/7 birdfeed) on in as
> many of it's markets as possible.
>
> Up here in Boston, WXKS-1430 flipped from standards to Air
> America last Fall, and it's 12-plus numbers have also
> declined big-time.
>>>
>>> Joseph, You wrote quite an eye opening post. I had heard the 'cheap' comments recently on Clear Channel and the talk of them turning 'progressive' So, what a mess it has turned into at WHJJ. Can C.C. see the writting on the wall??
Alan.

 

[tbetz]

> WHJJ has had the long awaited MELTDOWN. !!

It's funny how WHJJ's 12+ ratings have dropped since Spring '04 exactly the same amount as conservative talker WPRO's 12+ ratings have dropped in the same period, 1.3 points, but only for WHJJ, you consider it a "meltdown".

Could it be, perhaps, because you have some political agenda?

Considering that AAR programming is outperforming the second-tier conservative talkers in other markets's 25-54 demos, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Clear Channel is pretty happy with the numbers they are seeing right now.

<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>

 

[alancohen88]

> > WHJJ has had the long awaited MELTDOWN. !!
>
> It's funny how WHJJ's 12+ ratings have dropped since Spring
> '04 exactly the same amount as conservative talker WPRO's
> 12+ ratings have dropped in the same period, 1.3 points, but
> only for WHJJ, you consider it a "meltdown".
>
> Could it be, perhaps, because you have some political
> agenda?
>
> Considering that AAR programming is outperforming the
> second-tier conservative talkers in other markets's 25-54
> demos, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Clear Channel is
> pretty happy with the numbers they are seeing right now.
>>>>>>>>>
Tom,
WBZ beat WHJJ!!! WBZ is 80 miles away, in a different State. How can you call that politics. Is this a 'No Spin Zone" or what????
Alan.

 

[RadioHead05]

Talk about spin and having an agenda!!
Tom Betz, you can try to justify the destruction of WHJJ all you like but it doesn't matter. You take Arlene Violet, a centrist Republican, off that station and they're approaching a "1" on the rating scale.
Air America has been a complete failure in one of the most heavily left leaning political regions in the country.
Spin THAT, Tom!

> > WHJJ has had the long awaited MELTDOWN. !!
>
> It's funny how WHJJ's 12+ ratings have dropped since Spring
> '04 exactly the same amount as conservative talker WPRO's
> 12+ ratings have dropped in the same period, 1.3 points, but
> only for WHJJ, you consider it a "meltdown".
>
> Could it be, perhaps, because you have some political
> agenda?
>
> Considering that AAR programming is outperforming the
> second-tier conservative talkers in other markets's 25-54
> demos, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Clear Channel is
> pretty happy with the numbers they are seeing right now.
>

 

[doc9464]

> This is Cheap Channel we're talking about!
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Geoff Cahrles and Arlene Violet's
> local shows get axed and replaced by syndicated liberal talk
> programming.

Actually, Id like to see the reprehensible Geoff Charles kicked to the curb...hes not on board with the changes and he doesnt belong on the new WHJJ.
Arlene, as i have suggested, should be moved to mornings...letting Randi Rhodes be heard live in this area...Imus has to go...hes no liberal...Im hoping WHJJ will not try to live in two worlds....its time to go progressive 100%..

Three things:
1) CC is not going to dump AAR/Progressive radio....making money is one reason, the other reason is that RI has one conservative echo chamber and who wants another one....you can have Hannity, Ingraham, etc....

2)...WPRO,i noticed isnt gaining the listeners/lighting fires either...WPRO certainly didnt pick up the listeners to the also-ran conservatives that were on WHJJ before the flip... WPRO is losing steadily as well...so the tired lineup WPRO offers isnt makeing any significant inroads either...Without Rush and Savage....the rest of WPRO is a bunch of insigificant losers....Brien, Kass, Yorke,ill give you your beloved JD...and you still stink up the airwaves

3) proposed schedule

5am - Maddow - solid show
6am - Local / Morning Sedition / my dog = either of these are better than Jen Brien
9am - Violet - she would kick Kass easily
12n - Franken - wont beat Rush head to head but will do ok or better
3pm - Rhodes - sends Yorke to the showers - hes the worst on WPRO
7pm - Garofolo/Seder - better than Charles and the perfect alternative to madman Savage - an alternative host might be Bill Press/Jay Marvin (tape delay)
10pm - Malloy - just right for late nights
1am - Springer - belongs here...his appeal is more midwest/south ..but let his show fill the night

>
> That way, WHJJ-920's profits will go up because two
> expensive local hosts will have been replaced by chepaer (if
> not free) syndicated content.

CC would be stupid to dump Violet...shes reliable and a good solid host...
>
> I would think that many former people who worked at 920 back
> when it was known as WJAR are probably stunned that a
> once-great Providence AM radio station with a pretty good
> signal (especially daytime) has fallen on such hard times
> ratings-wise.

Again, i dont know to this day why you hate WHJJ so much....just because of a format change...you guys need to get off this one-note attack and quit letting the unemployed radio-equalizer and conservative radio give you opinions..try developing some of your own....and most of you are radio people who know exactly the limited worth of 12+ data...so quit spinning it as the end all be all
>

 

[doc9464]

> >>> Joseph, You wrote quite an eye opening post. I had heard
> the 'cheap' comments recently on Clear Channel and the talk
> of them turning 'progressive' So, what a mess it has turned
> into at WHJJ. Can C.C. see the writting on the wall??
> Alan.
>

Yawn!!!
wish you had something real to offer....

 

[doc9464]

> > WHJJ has had the long awaited MELTDOWN. !!
>
> It's funny how WHJJ's 12+ ratings have dropped since Spring
> '04 exactly the same amount as conservative talker WPRO's
> 12+ ratings have dropped in the same period, 1.3 points, but
> only for WHJJ, you consider it a "meltdown".
>
> Could it be, perhaps, because you have some political
> agenda?
>
> Considering that AAR programming is outperforming the
> second-tier conservative talkers in other markets's 25-54
> demos, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Clear Channel is
> pretty happy with the numbers they are seeing right now.
>

So its 1.3 points....and WPRO hasnt flipped like WHJJ...gee isnt that something
so without Rush hmmmm....would WPRO join the "meltdown" team...

Thanks Tom, good post...

 

[tbetz]

> Air America has been a complete failure in one of the most
> heavily left leaning political regions in the country.

Are you denying that WPRO's ratings dropped the same amount as WHJJ's ratings?

Would you also assert that WPRO, with an identical 1.3 point 12+ drop over the last year, has been turned into a "complete failure"?

To me, this drop, like political talk-radio fall-offs in major markets all over the country this year, can be attributed to listener fatigue after a heavily-contested, divisive national election. With a very few exceptions, non-hard core political talk listeners in all major markets are moving away from political talk in general toward music stations.

There's nothing political about my analysis. It's simple observation of the facts.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>

 

[tbetz]

> WBZ beat WHJJ!!!

So? WBZ is an excellent regional station. I often listen to it from 170 miles away.

Moreover, WPRO, at 620 kHz, has a much stronger signal than does WHJJ, at 920 kHz. WBZ's signal is nearly as strong as (or stronger than) WHJJ's signal in most of WHJJ's listening area.

Why shouldn't a heritage Class A signal like WBZ have a significant presence in the Providence market?

As to spin, are you denying that WPRO also dropped 1.3 12+ rating points? Are you denying that you left that significant fact out of your analysis?

Did I get that wrong? Did I get anything wrong in my analysis? If so, please point it out to me. <P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>

 

[fallriveractive]

> > WBZ beat WHJJ!!!
>
> So? WBZ is an excellent regional station. I often listen
> to it from 170 miles away.
>
> Are you denying that WPRO also dropped 1.3 12+ rating
> points? Are you denying that you left that significant fact
> out of your analysis?
>
> Did I get that wrong?
>>> Tom,
The way it is seen. WPRO has now, more than TWICE the listeners (buyers) than WHJJ. WBZ, which most of R.I. doesnt even know exists, beat them. And you think nothing has changed?
>>>> Fallriveractive.

 

[tbetz]

> WPRO has now, more than TWICE the
> listeners (buyers) than WHJJ.

12+. Has anyone here seen the demos, particularly the 25-54 demos that talk radio advertisers prefer? You can be certain that Clear Channel has.

The second-tier conservative talkers dropped last year from WHJJ (and even the first-tier conservative talkers on WPRO) tend to skew toward the older, 60+ end of the market that advertisers abhor. AAR talks hosts, on the other hand, tends to attract the younger end of the 25-54 spectrum that advertisers prefer.

You can see this fact in the numbers presented in Premiere's own recent press release (widely available by googling for links to it on groups.google.com, but inappropriate for posting here) bragging about Rush Limbaugh being the number one talk radio host in New York.

I would not be surprised to discover this national pattern holding true in Providence as well. If so, by flipping to "Progressive Talk", Clear Channel has probably made WHJJ more profitable than it was before.

> And you think nothing has changed?

I didn't say that nothing has changed.

WPRO's ratings have dropped over the last year by the same amount as WHJJ's ratings. Given that fact, what makes you believe that if Clear Channel hadn't flipped WHJJ, its 12+ ratings wouldn't have dropped the same amount as they have anyway, as non-hard-core political talk radio listeners dropped away (as they have dropped away from WPRO) when their interest in politics waned after a hotly contested national election? <P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>

 

[fallriveractive]

> > WPRO has now, more than TWICE the
> > listeners (buyers) than WHJJ.
>
> 12+. Has anyone here seen the demos, particularly the 25-54
> demos that talk radio advertisers prefer? You can be
> certain that Clear Channel has.
>
> The second-tier conservative talkers dropped last year from
> WHJJ (and even the first-tier conservative talkers on WPRO)
> tend to skew toward the older, 60+ end of the market that
> advertisers abhor. AAR talks hosts, on the other hand,
> tends to attract the younger end of the 25-54 spectrum that
> advertisers prefer.
>
> You can see this fact in the numbers presented in Premiere's
> own recent press release (widely available by googling for
> links to it on groups.google.com, but inappropriate for
> posting here) bragging about Rush Limbaugh being the number
> one talk radio host in New York.
>
> I would not be surprised to discover this national pattern
> holding true in Providence as well. If so, by flipping to
> "Progressive Talk", Clear Channel has probably made WHJJ
> more profitable than it was before.
>
> > And you think nothing has changed?
>
> I didn't say that nothing has changed.
>
> WPRO's ratings have dropped over the last year by the same
> amount as WHJJ's ratings. Given that fact, what makes you
> believe that if Clear Channel hadn't flipped WHJJ, its 12+
> ratings wouldn't have dropped the same amount as they have
> anyway, as non-hard-core political talk radio listeners
> dropped away (as they have dropped away from WPRO) when
> their interest in politics waned after a hotly contested
> national election?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom Betz.
,
You are a Hot Ticket! You spon me right into the ground!!!!!
Fallriveractive.

 

[morescrapple]

>
> Would you also assert that WPRO, with an identical 1.3 point
> 12+ drop over the last year, has been turned into a
> "complete failure"?
>

>
> There's nothing political about my analysis. It's simple
> observation of the facts.
>
A misleading one. You need to judge it by percentage drops. WHJJ has been cut in half by going Air AMerica.

 

[coolidge]

> WPRO's ratings have dropped over the last year by the same
> amount as WHJJ's ratings. Given that fact, what makes you
> believe that if Clear Channel hadn't flipped WHJJ, its 12+
> ratings wouldn't have dropped the same amount as they have
> anyway, as non-hard-core political talk radio listeners
> dropped away (as they have dropped away from WPRO) when
> their interest in politics waned after a hotly contested
> national election?

Arguments like yours are hilarious. When WHJJ flipped to Air America they lost a third of their audience and continue to bleed away listeners. A year ago, WPRO and WHJJ were less than a point apart, now WPRO has over double the audience of WHJJ. While WPRO's numbers are fluctuating, WHJJ has continued to shrink quarter after quarter for over a year.

The only question now is not IF Air America will kill of WHJJ entirely, but WHEN.

 

[coolidge]

> Actually, Id like to see the reprehensible Geoff Charles
> kicked to the curb...hes not on board with the changes and
> he doesnt belong on the new WHJJ.
> Arlene, as i have suggested, should be moved to
> mornings...letting Randi Rhodes be heard live in this
> area...Imus has to go...hes no liberal...Im hoping WHJJ will
> not try to live in two worlds....its time to go progressive
> 100%..

If WHJJ takes up your suggestions they will be popping the champagne corks at WPRO.


> flip... WPRO is losing steadily as well.

Anyone who has seen the actual numbers knows that's not true.



> much....just because of a format change...you guys need to
> get off this one-note attack

Forgive me if I choose not to take advice from someone who has not mastered basic English written syntax.