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WRPO-LP Russells Point switches to Oldies.

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kirkiefan

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WRPO 93.5 FM dropped Smooth Jazz on Saturday morning. It was playing some of the old adult standards overnight until 7:30 am when it aired a vintage Great Gildersleeve episode and again at 8:30 after Robbie and Gene's 8am Saturday Morning show. The oldies format premiered at 11am after the Vernon and Larry bluegrass show.The WRPO website hasn't yet indicated the change yet..hopefully later this week.

http://www.wrpo-fm.com

Read the Indian Lake Current online story

http://lc.weeklycurrents.com/index1.php


(Don't click on the above link,otherwise you will get a "cookie error"...just type in the URL manually,then scroll down on left to "Book view" and go to page A3)
 
techie2 said:
Guess Smooth Jazz doesn't even work on LPFM these days.

Actually the station performed its own survey of its listeners around Indian Lake this past month and the majority of Indian Lake's listeners preferred oldies.

There is an addendum to the WRPO Wikipedia article which lists Saturday morning talk show hosts Gene and Robbie discussing the results of the listener survey and the subsequent format change.(under "Audio Clips")


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRPO-LP
 
None of this surprises me at all...I could have told the owner of WRPO that from the very beginning.

Knowing a local business owner in Russells Point and being extremely familiar with that area, I'll say now that the main "rap" on WRPO (by some in the business community) was that it was being aimed at a fairly small percent of the residents in the Russells Point and Lakeview areas. Not that those folks don't deserve some level of programming aimed at them. It just didn't make any sense that the station was programming to age 70-plus in a major resort area during the spring/summer and early fall months. Many families spend lots of time in that area during those months. People who don't give a hoot about big bands, and music from the pre-rock era, yet spend substantial money in Logan county.

And, the "smooth jazz" was also a non-starter from the beginning - a format most commercial stations are abandoning because it doesn't make money.

So the idea of a family friendly format, such as oldies IF...yes IF it is done correctly, could be a big boom to the area.

As a successful former oldies jock (with over 20 years experience with the format), and successful oldies programmer (I took an oldies station from #6 to #1 25-54 adults), if the gentleman who owns WRPO would e-mail me through this website, I have some ideas I would like to share with him, and I wouldn't even charge him a dime.
 
Kev:

I'm a freind of Gene and he informed me that he tried to contact you by email but wasn't able to connect due to a password issue on his end.

His email is listed on the "contact" page of the WRPO station website. He is waiting to hear from you so please get in contact with him. In addition to the station's phone number and cel number(he's only there on Saturday mornings) you can also reach him most of the time at Gray Fox Audio Sensations in Marysville at (937)642-1620.

http://www.wrpo-fm.com

http://ohiounioncountyfair.org/GrayFox.html
 
Limp73 said:
Kev:

I'm a freind of Gene and he informed me that he tried to contact you by email but wasn't able to connect due to a password issue on his end.

His email is listed on the "contact" page of the WRPO station website. He is waiting to hear from you so please get in contact with him. In addition to the station's phone number and cel number(he's only there on Saturday mornings) you can also reach him most of the time at Gray Fox Audio Sensations in Marysville at (937)642-1620.

http://www.wrpo-fm.com

http://ohiounioncountyfair.org/GrayFox.html

Limp:

Thank you for the information. I'm in the middle of a very busy weekend this weekend. But, please let Gene know I will be either e-mailing or phoning him in the next couple of days.

Kevin
 
Thanks Kev:

Gene did email me Saturday evening and said he tried emailing you again and was still unable to reach you...he said he don't know why.

You may want to give him a telephone call instead.

Limp73
 
When I get up that, I usually take a listen. And I mustsay, It sounds really good. Whoever engineers the station knows how to get a clean sound!

Willy - Dublin
 
wilson1000 said:
When I get up that, I usually take a listen. And I mustsay, It sounds really good. Whoever engineers the station knows how to get a clean sound!

Willy - Dublin

I have noticed (on those occasions that I can receive it in my car) WRPO does have a natural sound...however I do notice from time to time...some high frequency "hissing" when a singer or announcer utters words with C or S consonants or when a singer reaches a high note or even when a cymbal crashes. This problem can be troubleshooted by using a better quality audioprocessor like Orban's Optmod FM....the only drawback is the pricetag...some still go as high as $3K on Ebay for a 1980s era Optimod. There are some other processors available from Behringer that are comparatively more affordable ...some that run less than $200 depending on one's budget...and since WRPO has switched to oldies..processing with compression (not just limiting) is a given as many Top 40 formatted stations in the 1960s and 70s used audio processing chains that gave it a constant sound and loudness without overmodulating. Behringer's products have also been used in churches,micropower FM stations,internet-only stations and DJ services similar to Gene's Audio Sensations.

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/Signal_Processing_and_Audio_Tools/Sound_Enhancement_Processors/

I wish Gene and everyone at WRPO the best of success in its new format..and since he also produces his Big Band program for WSWO-LP "Ultimate Oldies" I'm sure the folks at that station along with Kevin's offer to do some free consulting for WRPO can make that station sound even better. I have also noticed since the format change, I'm starting to hear more underwriting announcements from within the Indian Lake buisiness community..so that's an indicator that Gene made the right decision to switch to oldies since summer is now upon us and more families will be visiting the lake. I sincerely hope this will increase support for this unique little LPFM and that I hope it can evenutally raise it's antenna to 100 feet,broadcast in stereo and offer an audiostream from its website for the rest of us. The potential is there..it just needs some good solid support from the Indian Lake and surrounding communities.

Again my best wishes go out to Gene Kirby for making WRPO the definitive non-commercial community radio station that is truly is.
 
That's great to hear about WRPO. Indian Lake has always been a special place for me ... it was one of our favorite stops between Columbus and my mother's hometown of St. Marys; I always wished I'd been able to spend more time there. I got to hear WRPO a few times driving through the area a few years ago before I moved to Texas and really liked the sound.
Would love to hear a Web stream, too, as oldies stations are far too hard to find nowadays.
Keep up the good work!
 
Since the former ESPN 940 in Lima reverted back to the WCIT callsign and started an oldies fomat a week ago,it just goes to show that people still want to hear first generation rock and pop. This was a pleasant surprise as I have mentioned in another post.

The WRPO site still promotes the former smooth jazz format which makes me wonder why it hasn't been updated yet. (???)

My next suggestion to Gene is to promote the format on a float during the Fourth of July parade if Russels Point or Lakeview has one...with boaters and other tourists returning to the lake,it only makes sense to promote it.
 
kirkiefan said:
wilson1000 said:
When I get up that, I usually take a listen. And I mustsay, It sounds really good. Whoever engineers the station knows how to get a clean sound!

Willy - Dublin

I have noticed (on those occasions that I can receive it in my car) WRPO does have a natural sound...however I do notice from time to time...some high frequency "hissing" when a singer or announcer utters words with C or S consonants or when a singer reaches a high note or even when a cymbal crashes. This problem can be troubleshooted by using a better quality audioprocessor like Orban's Optmod FM....the only drawback is the pricetag...some still go as high as $3K on Ebay for a 1980s era Optimod. There are some other processors available from Behringer that are comparatively more affordable ...some that run less than $200 depending on one's budget...and since WRPO has switched to oldies..processing with compression (not just limiting) is a given as many Top 40 formatted stations in the 1960s and 70s used audio processing chains that gave it a constant sound and loudness without overmodulating. Behringer's products have also been used in churches,micropower FM stations,internet-only stations and DJ services similar to Gene's Audio Sensations.

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/Signal_Processing_and_Audio_Tools/Sound_Enhancement_Processors/

I wish Gene and everyone at WRPO the best of success in its new format..and since he also produces his Big Band program for WSWO-LP "Ultimate Oldies" I'm sure the folks at that station along with Kevin's offer to do some free consulting for WRPO can make that station sound even better. I have also noticed since the format change, I'm starting to hear more underwriting announcements from within the Indian Lake buisiness community..so that's an indicator that Gene made the right decision to switch to oldies since summer is now upon us and more families will be visiting the lake. I sincerely hope this will increase support for this unique little LPFM and that I hope it can evenutally raise it's antenna to 100 feet,broadcast in stereo and offer an audiostream from its website for the rest of us. The potential is there..it just needs some good solid support from the Indian Lake and surrounding communities.

Again my best wishes go out to Gene Kirby for making WRPO the definitive non-commercial community radio station that is truly is.

Gene has an Innovonics audio processor on the station (I'm not sure I spelled that right, but those of you who know the product know what I'm talking about). I certainly agree compression is necessary to give the station that "loud and proud" sound. (If someone has a cheap reverb unit, let me know...)

The antenna is actually in good shape, and I'm not sure I would even bother with stereo...by staying mono, you get more coverage, and besides, most of the music was recorded in mono anyway! Remember, Gene also runs the 100 watt Class A in DeGraff. We'll see over time how that can be utilized to its fullest potential. There's a lot of it there. But it takes time, and community support.

I have been to the station and I am impressed. Gene has done a great job at putting a community station together. All I hope to help with is simply help "organizing" what he has to create a product that is what an oldies station should be - fun to listen to, playing the hits, offering some "oh wow" titles some may have forgotten about, and, more than anything, help get the community behind the station. It is a unique property. It does not have to be run with the "rigidness" of a commercial station. It does, however, need to serve 2 audiences: the locals who make the area their home, and those who choose to make that area their playground every spring and summer. It will take a little time to put it all together. Gene has shown me his computer system and I have to learn more about it. But, I will be endeavoring to help Gene bring it to it's full potential.

Gene has selected the right format for a resort area. He has researched his audience and they have spoken. And you gotta love a guy with the guts to put his studio in a window where the community can watch the "magic" of radio. I have offered to slip into character and do some oldies shows over the summer...and I intend to keep that promise.

Gene's station has stayed true to the real definition of what the FCC intended by authorizing low power FM. It serves a community that is unique in and of itself, one commercial radio would probably consider too small to focus on. There's a lot of potential there. If I can help in a small way to make this station realize it's potential, it is only my pleasure.

But, give Gene the credit - he had the vision to begin with.
 
KevinFodor said:
kirkiefan said:
wilson1000 said:
When I get up that, I usually take a listen. And I mustsay, It sounds really good. Whoever engineers the station knows how to get a clean sound!

Willy - Dublin

I have noticed (on those occasions that I can receive it in my car) WRPO does have a natural sound...however I do notice from time to time...some high frequency "hissing" when a singer or announcer utters words with C or S consonants or when a singer reaches a high note or even when a cymbal crashes. This problem can be troubleshooted by using a better quality audioprocessor like Orban's Optmod FM....the only drawback is the pricetag...some still go as high as $3K on Ebay for a 1980s era Optimod. There are some other processors available from Behringer that are comparatively more affordable ...some that run less than $200 depending on one's budget...and since WRPO has switched to oldies..processing with compression (not just limiting) is a given as many Top 40 formatted stations in the 1960s and 70s used audio processing chains that gave it a constant sound and loudness without overmodulating. Behringer's products have also been used in churches,micropower FM stations,internet-only stations and DJ services similar to Gene's Audio Sensations.

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/Signal_Processing_and_Audio_Tools/Sound_Enhancement_Processors/

I wish Gene and everyone at WRPO the best of success in its new format..and since he also produces his Big Band program for WSWO-LP "Ultimate Oldies" I'm sure the folks at that station along with Kevin's offer to do some free consulting for WRPO can make that station sound even better. I have also noticed since the format change, I'm starting to hear more underwriting announcements from within the Indian Lake buisiness community..so that's an indicator that Gene made the right decision to switch to oldies since summer is now upon us and more families will be visiting the lake. I sincerely hope this will increase support for this unique little LPFM and that I hope it can evenutally raise it's antenna to 100 feet,broadcast in stereo and offer an audiostream from its website for the rest of us. The potential is there..it just needs some good solid support from the Indian Lake and surrounding communities.

Again my best wishes go out to Gene Kirby for making WRPO the definitive non-commercial community radio station that is truly is.

Gene has an Innovonics audio processor on the station (I'm not sure I spelled that right, but those of you who know the product know what I'm talking about). I certainly agree compression is necessary to give the station that "loud and proud" sound. (If someone has a cheap reverb unit, let me know...)

The antenna is actually in good shape, and I'm not sure I would even bother with stereo...by staying mono, you get more coverage, and besides, most of the music was recorded in mono anyway! Remember, Gene also runs the 100 watt Class A in DeGraff. We'll see over time how that can be utilized to its fullest potential. There's a lot of it there. But it takes time, and community support.

Inovonics makes the David-2 and David-3. I've never tried out either of them, so I don't know how they perform or how much they can be pushed. WSWO-LP started out with an Optimod 8000A -- a good processor in its time, but incapable of any sort of "loud and proud" sound. They now run the Omnia-3FMt which is a huge improvement.

The -3FMt is still out there, but the newest model for the budget market is the Omnia-One. I haven't had the chance to try one out, but the price point on that model could put it within WRPO's reach if they save their pennies or seek out grants.

One "gotcha" with running mono is that sometimes volume levels will vary between mono and stereo tracks (especially those with wide stereo fields). That depends on how the processing handles things at the stereo generator. Probably moot though if the audio chain prior to the processor is mono, since then all the processing sees is whatever the combined Left+Right audio energy is.
 
techie2 said:
KevinFodor said:
kirkiefan said:
wilson1000 said:
When I get up that, I usually take a listen. And I mustsay, It sounds really good. Whoever engineers the station knows how to get a clean sound!

Willy - Dublin

I have noticed (on those occasions that I can receive it in my car) WRPO does have a natural sound...however I do notice from time to time...some high frequency "hissing" when a singer or announcer utters words with C or S consonants or when a singer reaches a high note or even when a cymbal crashes. This problem can be troubleshooted by using a better quality audioprocessor like Orban's Optmod FM....the only drawback is the pricetag...some still go as high as $3K on Ebay for a 1980s era Optimod. There are some other processors available from Behringer that are comparatively more affordable ...some that run less than $200 depending on one's budget...and since WRPO has switched to oldies..processing with compression (not just limiting) is a given as many Top 40 formatted stations in the 1960s and 70s used audio processing chains that gave it a constant sound and loudness without overmodulating. Behringer's products have also been used in churches,micropower FM stations,internet-only stations and DJ services similar to Gene's Audio Sensations.

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/Signal_Processing_and_Audio_Tools/Sound_Enhancement_Processors/

I wish Gene and everyone at WRPO the best of success in its new format..and since he also produces his Big Band program for WSWO-LP "Ultimate Oldies" I'm sure the folks at that station along with Kevin's offer to do some free consulting for WRPO can make that station sound even better. I have also noticed since the format change, I'm starting to hear more underwriting announcements from within the Indian Lake buisiness community..so that's an indicator that Gene made the right decision to switch to oldies since summer is now upon us and more families will be visiting the lake. I sincerely hope this will increase support for this unique little LPFM and that I hope it can evenutally raise it's antenna to 100 feet,broadcast in stereo and offer an audiostream from its website for the rest of us. The potential is there..it just needs some good solid support from the Indian Lake and surrounding communities.

Again my best wishes go out to Gene Kirby for making WRPO the definitive non-commercial community radio station that is truly is.

Gene has an Innovonics audio processor on the station (I'm not sure I spelled that right, but those of you who know the product know what I'm talking about). I certainly agree compression is necessary to give the station that "loud and proud" sound. (If someone has a cheap reverb unit, let me know...)

The antenna is actually in good shape, and I'm not sure I would even bother with stereo...by staying mono, you get more coverage, and besides, most of the music was recorded in mono anyway! Remember, Gene also runs the 100 watt Class A in DeGraff. We'll see over time how that can be utilized to its fullest potential. There's a lot of it there. But it takes time, and community support.

Inovonics makes the David-2 and David-3. I've never tried out either of them, so I don't know how they perform or how much they can be pushed. WSWO-LP started out with an Optimod 8000A -- a good processor in its time, but incapable of any sort of "loud and proud" sound. They now run the Omnia-3FMt which is a huge improvement.

The -3FMt is still out there, but the newest model for the budget market is the Omnia-One. I haven't had the chance to try one out, but the price point on that model could put it within WRPO's reach if they save their pennies or seek out grants.

One "gotcha" with running mono is that sometimes volume levels will vary between mono and stereo tracks (especially those with wide stereo fields). That depends on how the processing handles things at the stereo generator. Probably moot though if the audio chain prior to the processor is mono, since then all the processing sees is whatever the combined Left+Right audio energy is.


Very good point. However, as much as possible, since he's running mono, we'll watch for original mono mixes when we can air them, and convert others to mono.
 
At the risk of making predictions here...

Those of you in the Russell's Point/Lakeview/Indian Lake area should notice some "adjustments" to 93.5 around July 15th...give or take a day or so. Been helping Gene with organizing a large music library, producing jingles and station imaging and learning his computer system so I can set every computer file the way it needs to be so songs, jingles and imaging will fire correctly to give WRPO the "up-tempo/fun" sound an oldies/classic hits station needs to have.

We're going to aim for adults 35-65, with a middle demo target of (about) 42-57. Lots of music every hour (but I'm not gonna tip my hand on every little programming trick just yet).

Thanks to an area radio station, I have obtained (by donation) a digital plate reverb which we will be placing on the air chain...and I'm working on obtaining (perhaps) a new processor for the station.

It should be fun when we get it all put together.
 
Thanks Kev for the update

I've been doing some voicers,liners,IDs and stuff for Gene with some production audio CDs he loaned to me. Give them a listen.

Lookin' forward to the positive changes.

Again,my thanks...can't wait to hear on my car radio when I'm in the area.
 
Limp73 said:
Thanks Kev for the update

I've been doing some voicers,liners,IDs and stuff for Gene with some production audio CDs he loaned to me. Give them a listen.

Lookin' forward to the positive changes.

Again,my thanks...can't wait to hear on my car radio when I'm in the area.

Hi, Limp:

I was aware Gene had someone doing some production stuff for him. Rest assured I will listen to your stuff. I'm sure we can use production you did. I've also got a couple of his CD's down here, too (he and I actually had some identical production CD's which, had he not already gotten them, I would have recommended he purchase), so we've got some good stuff to work with.

It's not my intention to completely dominate what the station is doing, only to "organize" it, and help give the station a "sound" I have in my head that I think an oldies/classic hits station should sound like. Yes, there are other things I think need to be done, but the first thing is to make the product sound correct and true. This will allow the station to begin to build "fans", as people discover it's playing some pretty good stuff. Then, as talk about the station begins to increase and as area businesses (I hope) begin to play it, perhaps the community support, financially, will increase, and then we can take the station to next level.

The bottom line here: is what Gene wants in the station, is the same thing I think an LP-FM was designed to be. A good community neighbor, locally programmed and designed. That has local community voices on it. Over time, all of this can be done. I hope we'll be able to prove that a well-programmed and targeted LP-FM can become a strong, respected community voice that will deserve and obtain the support of the community.

And, for you fans of "oldies": WRPO will not abandon the early years music. It plays a significant portion of the format, though the station will span upward into the 1980's. I will divulge that, in part, I used WCBS-FM as a template station, though not entirely. It's a tight playlist, but not too tight, and I have a few musical "surprises" planned...
 
OK, at the risk of sticking my neck out...(Lord knows, I've done that a lot on these boards!)

The changes at WRPO-LP happened today at 12 Noon. Gene has replaced the old, clunky computer system that has served the station well for the past 7 years, but for today (and for what is supposed to be a "Fun", "Uptempo", CHR sounding Oldies/Classic Hits station) was about as functional as a boat anchor, with both a new computer and a new station operating program that is about 1000 times more functional than the previous one.

We added an on-board digital audio processor to the computer, though the station is also running through its' "David 3" Innovonic's processor for pre-emphasis and limiting purposes. (I hope I can get a full-bred broadcast digital processor for the station eventually to help bring the loudness up closer to the commercial guys), but for now, it's a lot better sounding than it was. We've added "jingles" that actually promote the frequency and call letters and are kind-of retro without being "cheesy", and more contemporary sounding sweepers. And, of the processing, I think the signal is carrying a little farther out than before. It's certainly a "fatter" signal than it was before. (And for you engineering types: Gene and I checked the frequency deviation about an hour after the changeover, it looks legal to us.)

Gene stated on the air when he prepared to flip the switch to oldies that he wanted the station to play hits from the 50's/60's/70's and 80's. That is what it now does. The overall music library is still being worked on, so more titles will be added. And we will continue to welcome the contributions of all who have contributed their talents so far. I know Gene (and I) are appreciative...we've just launched the thing, so don't think what's on the air today is necessarily the final product. It's a work in progress.

And just tonight, we're debuting the "Cool Bobby B. Doo Wop Stop". It will air Saturday night at 11...and Sunday night at 9. Early years music is also prominent in the regular programming. But, it's just not the "classic" style oldies station.

Please tune in if you get a chance. One thing I will say - the Lake is rockin' now!
 
Kev:

Looking forward to listening...sounds exciting! Up to now the signal barely reaches into northeastern Shelby County at Jackson Center (home of Airstream) and then fades out quickly. However the weak spotty signal outside it's ten mile radius occasionally "skips" out in the farm area between Anna and JC-town and I've picked it up in may car on I-75 at Botkins and on occasion on 25-A between Anna and exit 94 north of the Sidney corporation limit....so next time I'll put my car radio on to find out how it sounds. I'll be up in Russells Point for the car show taking place at the WRPO studio site on Saturday morning August 8th...if you're there that day I would like to meet you.
 
KevinFodor said:
We added an on-board digital audio processor to the computer, though the station is also running through its' "David 3" Innovonic's processor for pre-emphasis and limiting purposes. (I hope I can get a full-bred broadcast digital processor for the station eventually to help bring the loudness up closer to the commercial guys), but for now, it's a lot better sounding than it was.



And just tonight, we're debuting the "Cool Bobby B. Doo Wop Stop". It will air Saturday night at 11...and Sunday night at 9. Early years music is also prominent in the regular programming. But, it's just not the "classic" style oldies station.

Please tune in if you get a chance. One thing I will say - the Lake is rockin' now!

Can't wait to listen when I'm in the area. Since a new computer is now on board...there are other programs that can be uploaded to the computer when Gene is there on Saturday mornings to do so for later air.WULM (when owned by Urban Light)used to do the same thing when they had the oldies format:

Glenn Sauter's Hits of Yesteryear
http://www.hitsofyesteryear.com

Little Walter's Time Machine
http://www.littlewalter.com

Dennis Mitchell's Breakfast With The Beatles
http://www.beatlesradioshow.com

Only drawback,they air commercials so some sort of arrangement must be made with the program producers. Since WRPO is non-commercial that maybe tough...but these are great oldies programs meant for weekend air. I know WSWO-LP airs Cool Bobby B and Glenn Sauter,but they make do by airing them without commercials.

Wolfman Jack is still in sydnication as well although he passed on a decade ago
http://www.wolfmanjack.org

For hot audio processing on the cheap try:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/SU9920.aspx

(two of them tied in to the processing chain might work...one for compression,the other for limiting.)
 
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