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wtf 92.3 NOW!!!

d21ofnj said:
DToTheJ said:
Nick said:
Dance should have a place on the radio dial to give that music exposure. How did 87.7, a signal no one even knew about, rocket up to a 1.0 share and a million cume? ... Any format Mega Media would have put on 87.7 would have failed because of the way they managed their finances. The dance format was billing in excess of a million a year and ad revenue would only have gone up.

He's right. Looking at the current PPM's WNYZ-LP is way at the bottom of the list, with nary a single ratings share or cume number - tied with the likes of "Wired 96.5" all the way from Philadelphia. So, based on this, it would be hard to argue that Pulse/Party 87 failed.

(There, I said it. I defended a dance station. Everybody... take the day off! ;) )

I would take it serious if you said this on April 1st :D

obviously WNYZ has 0 ratings now, it has no format popular enough to show up.
 
All opinions aside... I dug these up. The report card.. aka THE FACTS :)

Looking back to May 09 compared to the current book/month for Z100 (in regards to the Z and NOW comparison)

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/4183/screenshot20100620at959.png

And as far as the non local Elvis... doesn't seem to matter to people who know and love the show -- Elvis ranks #1 for the third book in a row in the following demo's: Teens, P18-34, W18-34, M18-34, P18-49, W18-49, P25-54, and W25-54.

Now is nowhere near Z. Not even a slow and steady rise with consistency. In ANY of the dayparts. Elvis, Seacrest and JJ all Rank #1 18-34 and women 18-34. Mo Bounce ranks #2 at night behind HOT 97 and 3rd is POWER 105.1.. NOW is far down the list with a huge gap in share in every daypart.

Maybe if NOW spent less time trashing Z and the jocks (which listeners dont give a crap about nerdy radio wars) more time focusing, and less time playing unfamiliar mix shows, yapping for a minute and half into a stopset or stopping down during a music sweep or even having content between the songs, that are less than desirable for the target demo most of the time... maybe they would have more of a chance?

I could be totally wrong in all this.. but bottom line, the numbers don't lie when it comes to this particular conversation. Z100 is a monster whether we like it or not :)
 
For a while I've wondered why they chose the name "NOW," when CBS's new CHR in LA was named "AMP." It's probably already been discussed here, but I don't read everything that's posted. Anyway, to me, NOW sounds relatively bland, almost as generic sounding as "Star" or "Mix." AMP, on the other hand, sounds exciting. Is it just me, or does anybody else wonder how they landed on a name like NOW for the NYC market?
 
Radaioman said:
What a shock from Tony. Maybe RXP should add more dance. Maybe NPR should add more current dance hits. Maybe 1010 wins could capture those Pulse fans too. You know where you can hear dance songs? In a club and the Jersey Shore. Amazing how the finest minds in radio just don't see it. Don't play so many hits. Don't play songs the majority of people want to hear. No..focus more on niche songs that failed stations played. YES!

I'll keep it short and sweet.
Half of you don't even realize that nearly half of the stuff you are listening to on your CHR's are dance or modernized electronic influenced hits.

WAKE UP AMERICANS!

This is the direction music is heading in! Don't make me go repost my twitter saying "I think the British are smarter than American's in some ways..." because as an American myself, it insults me.. but it's only this country who seems to be ignorant - especially when it comes to music! What's sillier is to be moving in a certain direction in music and NOT EVEN KNOWING IT.

Besides, no where did it say anything about NPR playing dance or other stations not playing hits. And, it is completely dumb for people to think because something failed in the past, then it should never ever be tried again, even when they don't even know why it failed in the first place! Maybe we should've stopped all advancements in technology and electricity when things didn't work the first time around as well. How dumb of NASA to continue after the space shuttle incident. Just like with the dance sound, maybe America should have just sat back when things didn't work and let the rest of the world move on.

Maybe BP should be reading this post on how failure means stop trying as well.

It's dumber to be OBVIOUSLY moving in a certain direction in sound TODAY IN 2010, and STILL thinking "well it didn't work in the past, therefore it will never ever work". Damn that Aaliyah and her dumb song about "if at first you should succeed, dust yourself off and try again". Even worse, her producer Timbaland who has moved on to producing evil dance instrumentals for certain hits today.

Anyway, I gotta go put all my stuff outside now, quit my job, and just give up, so I'm logging off. This economy isn't working for me. I tried and failed, therefore I wont try again.
 
Oops, I was supposed to keep it short and sweet, but I failed. Well, that's it! I give up. I will never try to keep anything short and sweet again.
 
they should simulcast "the new x 1023" out of palm beach.  Dance isn't the answer, rap is the answer.  After seven years of doing nothing, rap is so due to hit in 2011.  Dance is so overexposed.  Its a mature product, about to enter the decline phase.  It just can't get any bigger.  A new wave of rap is due to hit, and if I ran CBS, I'd leverage my existing competencies to a failing station.  The best way to do so is to simulcast a successful  urban station and see if it hits. If not, I'd simulcast another of my hundreds of stations and streams. Something will hit.
 
Brooklyndon said:
they should simulcast "the new x 1023" out of palm beach. Dance isn't the answer, rap is the answer. After seven years of doing nothing, rap is so due to hit in 2011. Dance is so overexposed. Its a mature product, about to enter the decline phase. It just can't get any bigger. A new wave of rap is due to hit, and if I ran CBS, I'd leverage my existing competencies to a failing station. The best way to do so is to simulcast a successful urban station and see if it hits. If not, I'd simulcast another of my hundreds of stations and streams. Something will hit.

Rap WAS the answer back in 1993 and rode for a long time.

Maybe there will be a comeback, I dunno, but the reality is a lot of the hip-hop/R&B guys are heading OVER to dance because there has been a drop regarding the hardcore/gangsta sounding hip-hop aspect.

And if there was this overexposure of dance, then how come you don't hear much of it on the radio here? If this was Europe, you'd probably have a valid point. If CBS were to go with a hip-hop station, in a market that's already overexposed to the genre (Hot 97, Power 105.1) with that same sound, that music would be FURTHER hurt.

I get it....hip-hop fans are ticked about the way things are going as artists are leaning their music towards dance. I do see both sides of the conflict since most dance fans have a hard time accepting this "hybrid" transition going on. IF rap/hip-hop is going to come back big again, expect beats at and above the 118 BPM mark in it. It seems as if this "hybrid" fusion is taking over. Just a matter of both sides to be "warm" about it.

Because when you really get down to it, hip-hop DID get its roots from the disco era.
 
Since somebody brought up Ingram-------and for those who were there-------WABC and WMCA were trying to reach everybody defined as teen-agers and young adults in the entire metro area. I would also include those people later called soccer moms who did not like WNEW. For those truly Urban auidiences, there was WWRL and WBLS. The first had no signal to compete with WABC and the second was a daytimer. WABC tried to be all things to all people and nothing like this could exist today.
 
Tony Santiago said:
I will admit, I don't listen THAT much to Z-100 or 92.3 Now, but I DO listen. And comparing playlists, there IS a difference.

Here's my take. Z-100 gears their playlist to a more suburban crowd. You will hear MORE of Justin Bieber, Ke$ha, Miley Cyrus, La Roux, Adam Lambert and other artists that cater to that teenage/twenty-something girl living on Long Island, Westchester/Rockland, Northern and Central NJ and Fairfield County, CT versus 92.3 Now.

On 92.3 Now's playlist, you have a MUCH stronger lean on "rhythmic" tracks than you do on Z-100. You will hear MORE of Taio Cruz, Drake, Jay-Z, T.I., Jason DeRulo, Shontelle, Young Money, B.o.B, Black Eyed Peas and other artists that cater to that teenage/twenty-something girl mainly living in the five boroughs of NYC. That is NOT to say that some of what Z-100 is doing doesn't get heard on 92.3 Now and vice-versa. That's just the lean.

However, the disadvantage of 92.3 Now is that since they have a stronger lean on rhythmic tracks, they also have to worry about stations such as Hot 97 and Power 105.1. The three stations basically the same target audience, with Hot and Power both having a rhythmic/hip-hop approach that is much stronger than Now, since it also has to cover some of the artists listed under Z-100 being that it IS A CHR. I also think in a small sense that since Power doesn't drop their music immediately as well, that 92.3 Now may feel "pigeonholed" to leave some of their tracks up that should have been shelved, or at the very least given some sort of recurrent play. Z-100 doesn't have to worry about this since they don't have to worry about Hot or Power all that much (especially on Power, being a "sister station" of Z-100 - Clear Channel). They may COVER aspects of 92.3 Now but with that suburban lean, they don't have to really go deep into "rhythmic" since the suburban crowd isn't as much into it as the city crowd. That's what keeps Z-100 strong.

HOWEVER, after hearing Dennis Ferrer's "Hey Hey" on 92.3 Now, there is ONE aspect that 92.3 Now can cover that Z-100 won't get into (and this is based on the suburban/city demographics of each station)....the dance music aspect.

You still have people that are upset that Pulse 87 and PartyFM are gone on 87.7 and people DO want something dance oriented on terrestrial radio. This is where 92.3 Now COULD gain ratings for the next books. Let me note this for the record before someone twists it......I AM NOT LOOKING FOR 92.3 NOW TO DO A DANCE MUSIC FORMAT! I'll repeat....I AM NOT LOOKING FOR 92.3 NOW TO DO A DANCE MUSIC FORMAT! However, they can lean more dance-friendly (such as K-104 in Poughkeepsie and Z 103.5 in Toronto), along with what they are doing already and in the process gain an audience that Z-100 wouldn't go for, since to a "suburban" ear and the audience they go for Z-100's definition of "dance" leans more familiar and in that sense, keep an older track on such as David Guetta's "Love Is Gone" or Bob Sinclar's "World Hold On". Add TO the fact that Z-100 has to "protect" sister station 'KTU, Z-100 won't put on anything that 'KTU does even though 'KTU's approach with their rhythmic A/C format gears to an older suburban woman (25-54) that has kids, who MAY have gone to the clubs but are now heading out to school sporting events.

92.3 NOW could get higher ratings if they continue to go dance-friendly with the CHR approach...still play the artists that they do, but not as much in order to make some room for the dance adds. NOT SAYING THAT 92.3 NOW MUST BE A DANCE STATION (someone MUST be thinking that I'm thinking this again, which is why I WROTE it again!) :D but at the very least look into some of the dance approach in there a bit.
Well i guess i cant leave a comment because you everything out my mouth and you were on point with everything. I said that from the start that Z100 is like a MTV. 92.3 is like FUSE. 92.3 best bet is the lean alottt on DANCE/House. They can't Change back to a K-Rock if the ratings are poor. They could change to Country but i dont think it does well in the TRI State. You couldnt have said it even better.
P.S-What the he11 is going on at 101.9? that shouldve never change from smooth jazz. at least make it an Urban Old School format like 97.1 HD2
 
For 92.3 NOW, I would include more 00's nostalgic hip hop hits that also crossed into pop demo. They have 1 or 2 songs like that. They play that Fat Joe/Ashanti/Ja Rule song "what's love" sometimes and used to play DMX - Party Up. They should add some more songs like that into the mix; some Big Pun, DMX, Jay-Z, Eminem. But I like the idea of entirely changing 92.3 NOW to an oldschool, 90's-00's urban station like on Hot 97 HD2 with a little R&B thrown in (call it Chill 92 or something) - tupac, naughty by nature, slick rick, dr. dre, lauryn hill, outkast, bone thungs n harmony, busta rhymes, et al.

Country would not do any better than what NOW does right now. It probably would not do as bad as what most people would imagine. I would guess it would do slightly worse than how RXP does, but still would not be a good bet. Strictly dance would probably do about the same.

Those are all just my guesses and opinions though.
 
Who knows, Country is working in LA, so it could also work in NYC.
 
I could imagine all the uproar that CBS would cause if they flipped 92.3 Now to country. Their fans would whine about it, even though there's a CHR station 8 megahertz up the dial.

Speaking of country music on 92.3, on Thursday afternoon I got in my car and heard 92.3 playing country! Since I'm a radio geek, I knew it was e-skip, and it turned out to be WIL from St Louis completely overpowering WXRK. But I'm sure if the average person hits their preset for 92.3 and hears country, they won't think it's a station 1000 miles away, they'd think WXRK flipped formats. All I know is that if I hear country stations all over the dial, there's e-skip.
 
Macker said:
For 92.3 NOW, I would include more 00's nostalgic hip hop hits that also crossed into pop demo. They have 1 or 2 songs like that. They play that Fat Joe/Ashanti/Ja Rule song "what's love" sometimes and used to play DMX - Party Up. They should add some more songs like that into the mix; some Big Pun, DMX, Jay-Z, Eminem. But I like the idea of entirely changing 92.3 NOW to an oldschool, 90's-00's urban station like on Hot 97 HD2 with a little R&B thrown in (call it Chill 92 or something) - tupac, naughty by nature, slick rick, dr. dre, lauryn hill, outkast, bone thungs n harmony, busta rhymes, et al.

Country would not do any better than what NOW does right now. It probably would not do as bad as what most people would imagine. I would guess it would do slightly worse than how RXP does, but still would not be a good bet. Strictly dance would probably do about the same.

Those are all just my guesses and opinions though.


Good call on the classic hip-hop.  But scope has to be imited to after 92.
 
Tony Santiago said:
but the reality is a lot of the hip-hop/R&B guys are heading OVER to dance

Really?

Lets start with a west coast gangsta example: have three members of NWA for examples of hip-hop guys put out dance singles? Ice Cube - no. Dr Dre - nope. MC Ren - uh-uh.

Let's look east-coast, the Wu-Tang Clan. GZA? No. RZA? No. Ghostface Killah - No. Method Man -No.

How about down South? Outkast? No. Ludacris? No. Lil Wayne? No. 3-6 mafia? No. Lil John? No.

Gangsta rappers putting out dance records...I must say total nonsense. The only two artists who put our dance singles were Diddy and Snoop Dogg. Diddy was never really gangsta, and Snoops single was a novelty single, Sexual Eruption, was more about his being a pimp than anything else.

I just don't buy it. I don't believe that Charles out in Cypress Hills or Tony in Flatlands will ever truly enjoy dance music. It's not the type of music you and your boys stand around your parked Dodge Charger listening to as you try to look tough. Yeah, it might get the girls over, maybe, but so could a fair few rap-songs. Tony, I mean, I just don't buy it. Tastes change, but not as radically as you project. Particularly when the club scene is no longer fueled by synthetic euphoriants that keep you dancing all night and either exponetially reinforce or make you rearrange your ego, but rather by $500 bottles of Vodka served by waitresses who'll go home with you. Simply put, today's nightclub culture is too safe, too sanitized to support the drastic change in taste you espouse so frequently.

That said, as far as rap going up to 118 BPM. I remember a fair bit of Acid-derived House with rap on it, and I particularly enjoyed it. Hard beats, aggressive samples, and bizarre square waves: fun stuff. I remember Speakerboxx had that GhettoMusik song on it, and it was fresh and new (7 years ago). That M.I.A. borne free song is pretty good too, and it has a pretty fast beat. So yeah, maybe the synth-rap they do now would sound better with the beats sped up, but the problem is that today's rhyme schemes are so intricate that speeding them up would lead to tongue twisting. They'd need a whole new crop of rappers with a new technique to speed up the tempo.
 
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Brooklyndon said:
Tony Santiago said:
but the reality is a lot of the hip-hop/R&B guys are heading OVER to dance

Really?

Lets start with a west coast gangsta example: have three members of NWA for examples of hip-hop guys put out dance singles? Ice Cube - no. Dr Dre - nope. MC Ren - uh-uh.

Let's look east-coast, the Wu-Tang Clan. GZA? No. RZA? No. Ghostface Killah - No. Method Man -No.

How about down South? Outkast? No. Ludacris? No. Lil Wayne? No. 3-6 mafia? No. Lil John? No.

Gangsta rappers putting out dance records...I must say total nonsense. The only two artists who put our dance singles were Diddy and Snoop Dogg. Diddy was never really gangsta, and Snoops single was a novelty single, Sexual Eruption, was more about his being a pimp than anything else.

I just don't buy it. I don't believe that Charles out in Cypress Hills or Tony in Flatlands will ever truly enjoy dance music. It's not the type of music you and your boys stand around your parked Dodge Charger listening to as you try to look tough. Yeah, it might get the girls over, maybe, but so could a fair few rap-songs. Tony, I mean, I just don't buy it. Tastes change, but not as radically as you project. Particularly when the club scene is no longer fueled by synthetic euphoriants that keep you dancing all night and either exponetially reinforce or make you rearrange your ego, but rather by $500 bottles of Vodka served by waitresses who'll go home with you. Simply put, today's nightclub culture is too safe, too sanitized to support the drastic change in taste you espouse so frequently.

That said, as far as rap going up to 118 BPM. I remember a fair bit of Acid-derived House with rap on it, and I particularly enjoyed it. Hard beats, aggressive samples, and bizarre square waves: fun stuff. I remember Speakerboxx had that GhettoMusik song on it, and it was fresh and new (7 years ago). That M.I.A. borne free song is pretty good too, and it has a pretty fast beat. So yeah, maybe the synth-rap they do now would sound better with the beats sped up, but the problem is that today's rhyme schemes are so intricate that speeding them up would lead to tongue twisting. They'd need a whole new crop of rappers with a new technique to speed up the tempo.

You don't have to "buy" the theory. It's just what's going on and while not radical, it is happening. Besides, I haven't heard a darn thing from half of those rappers you've mentioned as of late. And if I am not mistaken, didn't THREE 6 MAFIA come out with something that was "hybrid dance?" which by the way was produced by legendary trance DJ Tiesto??? (Because I love backing things up with proof.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FThuVI_maAs ) So you can't say Three 6 Mafia.

And as I had said on the last post (perhaps you missed it)....I DO GET THE ANGST OF THE HIP-HOP COMMUNITY regarding what has been happening as of late. You're a purist (and that's fine) that wants the sound to be that hardcore/gangsta because in your (and other purists eyes), it is what is "real". But, and lets add R&B guys like Akon, Ne-Yo into this since Hot 97/Power 105.1 DOES play them, you are seeing this "hybrid" form happening. Hip-hop has taken a hard hit financially so some of these artists ARE doing dancy tracks and in the process garnering a new audience.

Yes, things have changed in the club scene ever since Giuliani (yeah, it's HIS fault) but we STILL don't have a radio station fully dedicated to dance (hip-hop has 2...and if you want to count Top 40 stations like 92.3 Now and Z-100...then 4!). However, you make it sound like the dance sound is ALL OVER the place based on that $500 a bottle mentality. It isn't...not compared to the 80's when you can name MEGA clubs left and right (not these lounges) without having to think about it (Tunnel, Palladium, 10-18, Red Zone, Limelight...etc) and the support of stations like Hot 103/97. Even Z-100 and 'PLJ played some dance back then!

Granted, on the dance side I hear the arguments AGAINST hip-hop. I may not be into the gangsta stuff but I'm not hatin' either. So at this point, if hip-hop and dance are going to "merge" into this hybrid sound, then on both ends we have to respect it. Not saying you have to LIKE it, but respect it. The same goes for the dance music community too.
 
Tony Santiago said:
And if I am not mistaken, didn't THREE 6 MAFIA come out with something that was "hybrid dance?" which by the way was produced by legendary trance DJ Tiesto???  (Because I love backing things up with proof.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FThuVI_maAs )  So you can't say Three 6 Mafia.

Three6Mafia now has two releases (that I know of) that are dance. B96 played his new one last night. So far, none too successful, but then again, Three6Mafia has always been hit or miss, mostly miss, according to rhythmic top 40. Usher has been somewhat hit or miss these pass few days, staying on the rather successful side, but finally made it back big time in the spotlight with "OMG". Ne-yo's biggest score hit out of all seems to have been "closer, and Jay Sean + Taio Cruz (finally) crossed over into U.S. charts after a few years of releasing hits overseas with their songs "down" and "break your heart", which both hit big time. Of course, they did have to throw in Ludacris or Lil Wayne in the U.S. versions to "help it crossover" and be accepted in the U.S, but I believe they could've still done well whether or not they did so. After all, La Roux and Mike Posner broke into the scene completely rapless.

Even some of the slower hip hop and r&b hits are electronic or electronic influenced productions put to slower beats. Brief example? Rihanna "rude boy" and Ludacris "how low", which contains electro dance influenced production in certain parts throughout their music.

Anyway, no need for me to say more. Lil Jon, Black Eyed Peas, Ne-yo, Pitbull, AND  - AND!!! 50 Cent...etc have ALL said it themselves - they are interested in dance and will be doing dance albums or productions, so unlike people who are just jumping on a trend for relevance and a quick buck or two, they are doing what they passionately believe in. Akon as well - you can just sense the knowledge and experience in electronica within his productions he uses for himself, Gwen Stefani, Lady Gaga..etc. Lil Jon obviously has experience in dance since he broke in to the scene producing beats up in the 130's bpm range during the days of booty bass. He's versatile, not only in uptempo booty bass and dance, but other things like rock and reggae as well. As far as Beyonce, I'm still waiting for the dance album Destiny's Child "promised" back in the early 00's.

Gangsta rap "died" about 10 years ago, and west coast hip hop went along with it shortly after. Snoop Dogg was smart enough to make himself bi-coastal BEFORE this happened and so was Dr Dre and a few others who started "cross polinating" the coasts by forming bi-coastal collaborations, changing with the times, and crossing over into pop friendly sounds. Of course Ludacris is also experienced and familiar with uptempo hits, being from the booty bass capital of Atlanta and working at the station that was the leader in providing Atlanta bass hits. While he CHOOSES not to do uptempo hits (other than Taio Cruz "break your heart", he knows he has the capability of rapping on TODAY'S new electro-pop / dance beats. That station he worked at was WHTA, which is where Corina, Lil Jon, and Jermaine Dupri had some of their bass hits from So So Def Bass Allstars featured, including this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90F4BMRUauQ

Jermain Dupri himself has moved on from those days, through his days of heavy hip hop, all the way up to TODAY:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wCwvG5W-To


AND!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c1sxX9-Sus

Maybe not all rappers are changing and moving on with the times, but the ones who are staying relevant in the mainstream are. As far as REAL hip hop (meaning quality lyrics as well as good production behind instrumental), there are a few left in the mainstream today - B.O.B, Andre 3000 (listen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GNjduY-fKM ), Drake, Lil Wayne, Ludacris, Eminem...etc. Most of the REAL rappers who brought true quality to hip hop during its 1990-2008 time period have disappeared off of the charts and are once again underground.

Rock n roll, blues, disco, jazz, hip hop.... these are all sounds that have had their times in history. As of right now, we are CURRENTLY moving towards the next big sound in music trends... and MOST chr's and rhythmics see where it's headed and are beginning to act accordingly.

You can thank Missy and Timbaland for being brave enough to try something different when hip hop was dominating in the mid 00's and kicking off this whole uptempo trend once again in the mainstream. If it weren't for the success of Missy's "lose control" and Timbaland ft Justin Timberlake's "sexy back", then no one else would've been brave enough to try to change the game and do something uptempo to lead a bunch of imitators down a path of a new "style" and sound to get us where we are today. It looked like Pitbull was trying to sneak into the uptempo sound for the longest time, but never showed his true colors until "everyone else" proved they could do it and be successful. Some may argue Rihanna's "S.O.S." came before all that, but I don't think that song did much to re-jumpstart the dance trend.
 
Tony Santiago said:
didn't THREE 6 MAFIA come out with something that was "hybrid dance?" which by the way was produced by legendary trance DJ Tiesto??? (Because I love backing things up with proof.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FThuVI_maAs ) So you can't say Three 6 Mafia.

Auto-tune is a terrible thing. Without digressing too far into how the "boyz n the hood" soundtrack warned us how rap would be commandered and sanitized for suburban consumption, I will say I listened to the video and thought that Flo Rida’s bars were adequate, but that the rest was too digital. Music aside, the topic is about spending $500 on Kettle One. This is not Hot 97 music. Its Z-100 music. Which segues into the next topic nicely.

Tony Santiago said:
But, and lets add R&B guys like Akon, Ne-Yo into this since Hot 97/Power 105.1 DOES play them, you are seeing this "hybrid" form happening.

And ratings have declined since these artists crept into the playlist.

Tony Santiago said:
Hip-hop has taken a hard hit financially so some of these artists ARE doing dancy tracks and in the process garnering a new audience.

Or is it more a case of hip-hop taking a hard hit because artists are doing dancy tracks? Koch records, which puts out Gansta rap, is doing fine.

Getting back to the meat of this post, there is a gigantic format hole in New York City, one bigger than rock, one bigger than country, it is called Hip-Hop. The psycographics support it. Plus Hot 97 has burned up its brand equity, and Power 105 never really had any to start. Neither station plays what anyone over 25 would call hip-hop anymore. Instant differentiation. Now should go full time urban. They already have the competencies in house. Seems like a total slam dunk.
 
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