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WTTM and EBC/ESPN Rumors

> It is axiomatic that people who resort to personal
> attacks and slurs have lost the argument. Clearly
> you have no sensible alternative so you respond by
> branding me with names and try to impugn my character.
> I think those who frequent this forum can see through
> such cheesy tactics.

Trying to avoid the question doesn't make it go away.

Is there a reason why you've now attacked TWO Asian oriented stations (WMBC-TV and the future WWTR)? It seems to me you have an agenda.

I too have an agenda, and I'm not afraid to admit it. I challange misinformation wherever I find it. In this case, you've stated that those listeners served by the Asian programming don't deserve it. Why not? If you don't like it, that's fine. I don't happen to like it either. That's irrelevant. It serves a portion of the public, which by *your own arguement* the station is obligated to serve. So which it is? Does a station have an obligation to serve the public or not?
 
However, progressive talk is not available where 1680 is going (the Philadelphia market, including three South Jersey counties). And the AM band in that market has already lost too many stations to foreign language, religion and brokered programming (plus the Philly market is under-served on both AM and FM compared to New York and some other major markets). If, as Groucho suggests, 1680 plans to keep doing Indian or other foreign language programming after they move to Lindenwold, I say: What a waste!

>
> Actually, it's South Asian, ie. Indian. And if you were at
> all familiar with the exploding Indian population in the
> Edison area, you'd know that this is a HUGE programming hole
> in the area.
>
> And they won't be on 1680 anymore. 1680 is relocating its
> transmitter from Hopewell in Mercer County to Lindenwold in
> Camden County to become a Philadelphia market station.
>
> The two former stations, 1680 and 89.3 had to rimshot their
> audience with signal that had no chance at reaching them
> properly. With EBC moving to 1170, granted on a daytimer,
> they will at least be heard by ALL of their potential
> listeners. I'm even willing to bet that 1170 appears in the
> Middlesex/Somerset/Union book by the Winter.
>
> And Progressive Talk is available in
> Middlesex/Somerset/Union on 1190 WLIB.
>
>
 
> > It is axiomatic that people who resort to personal
> > attacks and slurs have lost the argument. Clearly
> > you have no sensible alternative so you respond by
> > branding me with names and try to impugn my character.
> > I think those who frequent this forum can see through
> > such cheesy tactics.
>
> Trying to avoid the question doesn't make it go away.
>
> Is there a reason why you've now attacked TWO Asian oriented
> stations (WMBC-TV and the future WWTR)? It seems to me you
> have an agenda.
>
> I too have an agenda, and I'm not afraid to admit it. I
> challange misinformation wherever I find it. In this case,
> you've stated that those listeners served by the Asian
> programming don't deserve it. Why not? If you don't like
> it, that's fine. I don't happen to like it either. That's
> irrelevant. It serves a portion of the public, which by
> *your own arguement* the station is obligated to serve. So
> which it is? Does a station have an obligation to serve the
> public or not?
>


A long-standing legal joke has been the question "When
was the last time you beat your wife?"

Again you try to defend your own position by defaming me
with charges of racism. This unjustified tactic is really
beneath contempt and borders on abusive. In addition, it
does not relate even marginally to the discussion topics
of this forum.

The nice thing about this forum is that all the posts are
maintained and are available for viewing. Anyone interested
in determining my position on issues can go back and review
them in detail.

The issues raised by my comments, issues that warrant
consideration and discussion, is whether in a broadcast-deprived
environment the public should allow radio/TV stations to
disseminate programming that has an appeal and interest to a
small percentage of the listening public. Clearly the FCC
erred when it mandated that no one from anything other than
specified minority groups could hold the license for WMBC-TV.
That obviously was racial discrimination regardless of the
intentions of the FCC. (Incidently, I have never heard or
read an explanation from the commission for this mandate.)

It is important to remember that the FCC is required to
ensure the "fair and equitable distribution of broadcast
service among the states." The requirement of Congress was
that the commission not merely consider the allocation of
assignments but look into the broader meaning of "service."
Being able to receive a signal from a nearby transmitter
doesn't mean a person is being served by the licensees of
that transmitter.

And as far as cawasinnj, please refrain from sullying yourself,
the forum, and the readers by defaming those with whom you
disagree.
 
> If you believe that radio is basically a means to
> send music from a central location to distributed
> listeners without using wires, then it is no big
> deal. But if you believe that radio broadcasting
> is a service by which the public can receive..
> instantaneously...news and information, as well as
> entertainment, then it is a very big deal indeed.

WBRW tried being a "hometown" station for Somerset County -- twice.
Both tries ultimately failed.

WJHR tried being a "hometown" station for Hunterdon County.
It failed as well.

If you think you could've made either of these stations a success, feel free to buy them out and do it your way. WBRW and WJHR both had local news, local traffic, local weather, local sports, local talk shows, local advertisers, and live and local DJs playing music and taking requests from local listeners. I even won a prize from WJHR in one of their contests.

Both of these stations did a fine job of "serving the public". The only thing is, they found out that the public doesn't have enough interest in being served by a "hometown"-style radio station to keep it financially viable as an independent entity. If you look around, you'll see that usually the only successful "hometown" AM stations are those which are co-owned with larger and more lucrative FM stations. Neither WBRW (now WWTR) nor WJHR (now WCHR) had co-owned FM sister stations, and that's part of the reason why they both failed.
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> > If you believe that radio is basically a means to
> > send music from a central location to distributed
> > listeners without using wires, then it is no big
> > deal. But if you believe that radio broadcasting
> > is a service by which the public can receive..
> > instantaneously...news and information, as well as
> > entertainment, then it is a very big deal indeed.
>
> WBRW tried being a "hometown" station for Somerset County --
> twice.
> Both tries ultimately failed.
>
> WJHR tried being a "hometown" station for Hunterdon County.
> It failed as well.
>
> If you think you could've made either of these stations a
> success, feel free to buy them out and do it your way. WBRW
> and WJHR both had local news, local traffic, local weather,
> local sports, local talk shows, local advertisers, and live
> and local DJs playing music and taking requests from local
> listeners. I even won a prize from WJHR in one of their
> contests.
>
> Both of these stations did a fine job of "serving the
> public". The only thing is, they found out that the public
> doesn't have enough interest in being served by a
> "hometown"-style radio station to keep it financially viable
> as an independent entity. If you look around, you'll see
> that usually the only successful "hometown" AM stations are
> those which are co-owned with larger and more lucrative FM
> stations. Neither WBRW (now WWTR) nor WJHR (now WCHR) had
> co-owned FM sister stations, and that's part of the reason
> why they both failed.
>

I don't think you can use standard business models in a
regulated industry, such as broadcasting. The stations
you mentioned were on less than favorable dial positions,
low-power, and restricted in their ability to obtain
substantial advertising contracts because of competition
from other stations that had been given considerable and
FCC-backed advantages.

The U.S. Justice Department, years ago, commissioned a study
of the broadcast situation in New Jersey. The analysts
concluded, quite correctly, that the broadcast industry in
northern and central New Jersey, and to an extent in southern
New Jersey, suffer because of the unfair competition from
neighboring states.

A better example might be WCTC. It has been around a very
long time and makes no bones about the area in intends to
serve...central New Jersey. Local talk, traffic, news,
and sports. While they aren't one of America's greatest
stations, they have a long history of providing people in
the New Brunswick area with various broadcast services. They
also have been a long-time outlet for area advertisers.

I don't know why the Bridgewater and Flemington stations
couldn't make a go of it. Perhaps poor management contributed
to the problem. I certainly don't think it was because people
in Hunterdon and Somerset counties prefer hearing news about
Brooklyn to news from their own area.

To be successful in northern and central New Jersey a station
must have sufficient RF power to reach its listeners with
a home-to-work signal. It must have creative management, talented
staff, and the money to obtain both. It must have a good sales
department and a crackjack news operation...real professionals,
not kids just out of school.

To address your solicitation that I purchase either the WWTR
operation or that in Hunterdon County..no thanks. The citizens
deserve a really top-notch operation and neither of those
stations is equipped to do so. However, if you'll lend me the
money to buy WOR, I could turn it into the most listened-to
station in northern New Jersey. It would be a big fish in an
equally big pond. What say you? Ready to open your wallet?
 
I see that bierkenstock is new in this group.

bierkenstock does not know that I am the chief engineer for WTTM.
So if anyone in this group knows whats happening at WTTM I do.
It wont be indian,but it will be ethnic programming.


> However, progressive talk is not available where 1680 is
> going (the Philadelphia market, including three South Jersey
> counties). And the AM band in that market has already lost
> too many stations to foreign language, religion and brokered
> programming (plus the Philly market is under-served on both
> AM and FM compared to New York and some other major
> markets). If, as Groucho suggests, 1680 plans to keep doing
> Indian or other foreign language programming after they move
> to Lindenwold, I say: What a waste!
 
> I think I have just "sully-ed" myself from extraneous
> laughter!!!
>
> :-D
>

Word Of The Day

sul·ly
tr.v. sul·lied, sul·ly·ing, sul·lies

1. To mar the cleanness or luster of; soil or stain.
2. To defile; taint.
 
> I see that bierkenstock is new in this group.
>
> bierkenstock does not know that I am the chief engineer for
> WTTM.
> So if anyone in this group knows whats happening at WTTM I
> do.
> It wont be indian,but it will be ethnic programming.
>
>
> > However, progressive talk is not available where 1680 is
> > going (the Philadelphia market, including three South
> Jersey
> > counties). And the AM band in that market has already
> lost
> > too many stations to foreign language, religion and
> brokered
> > programming (plus the Philly market is under-served on
> both
> > AM and FM compared to New York and some other major
> > markets). If, as Groucho suggests, 1680 plans to keep
> doing
> > Indian or other foreign language programming after they
> move
> > to Lindenwold, I say: What a waste!
>

Neal:

What will happen to the studios in Metuchen? Are
the 89.3-MHz people moving there? It's very close
to the diocese HQ and cathedral.
 
Hey Neal:

Let me know when you fire up in Lindenwold...I'll give it a listen!

Dave Gardiner

WVCH 740/WNWR 1540
 
> Again you try to defend your own position by defaming me
> with charges of racism. This unjustified tactic is really
> beneath contempt and borders on abusive. In addition, it
> does not relate even marginally to the discussion topics
> of this forum.

And you continue to avoid answering the actual question that was put to you. I've asked you several times now and you still haven't.

*shrug* I give up.
 
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