WWOR-TV's hourly ID

[Rollo-Smokes]

Saw this today for the first time. Twice, at 10:00 and 11:00 AM:

"WNYW, New York bringing you WWOR-TV, Secaucus"

Is this legal?

 

[w9wi]

Saw this today for the first time. Twice, at 10:00 and 11:00 AM:

"WNYW, New York bringing you WWOR-TV, Secaucus"

Is this legal?

Yep. It's legal to give someone else's ID on your station, as long as you give your own as well. They could ID "WNYW, New York bringing you KATN, Anchorage" if they wanted to.

It's my understanding WNYW is being carried on a subchannel of WWOR and vice-versa.

 

[tripinva]

Yes, that's why WWOR has to do it, to ID their carriage on WNYW.

- trip

 

[Rollo-Smokes]

Yes, that's why WWOR has to do it, to ID their carriage on WNYW.

- trip

Interesting, especially since neither station has been simulcasting on the other's x.2 subchannels since last fall. 5.2 is now WNYW and 9.2 is now WWOR, both in SD.

I first caught this on DirecTV's SD feed (which is downconverted, of course) then checked over-the-air via my converter box. The ID was on 9.2 but not 9.1.

 

[w9wi]

Interesting, especially since neither station has been simulcasting on the other's x.2 subchannels since last fall. 5.2 is now WNYW and 9.2 is now WWOR, both in SD.

Trip probably knows for sure, but I believe WNYW on 5.2 is actually being transmitted over the WWOR transmitter and WWOR on 9.2 is being transmitted over the WNYW transmitter.

Yes, it *is* possible to use two different major channel numbers on the same transmitter. And in certain circumstances (including this case) it's consistent with the ATSC standard, and thus legal.

 

[fybush]

It's not only legal, but that particular form of ID is mandated by the latest revision of the ID rules. It's odd that 73.1201 specifies exact wording in this situation, but is maddeningly vague about what IDs are supposed to sound like in others (HD radio multicasts, most notably!)

 

[tripinva]

w9wi is correct. WWOR-38 has 9-1 and 5-2. WNYW-44 has 5-1 and 9-2.

- Trip

 

[BiggieFats]

Speaking of IDs, WNBC since they changed their news opens, has completely stopped doing IDs. Not between shows, not during network breaks, nowhere on the station at any point do you see "WNBC New York"

WCBS only IDs some of the time.

 

[w9wi]

Speaking of IDs, WNBC since they changed their news opens, has completely stopped doing IDs. Not between shows, not during network breaks, nowhere on the station at any point do you see "WNBC New York"

WCBS only IDs some of the time.

Do they ID aurally?

It's required that you ID visually *or* aurally. You don't have to do both. (unless you want to)

 

[Rollo-Smokes]

Speaking of IDs, WNBC since they changed their news opens, has completely stopped doing IDs. Not between shows, not during network breaks, nowhere on the station at any point do you see "WNBC New York"

WCBS only IDs some of the time.

Do they ID aurally?

It's required that you ID visually *or* aurally. You don't have to do both. (unless you want to)

No one does it aurally anymore It has been at least 15 years since I heard one of the major NYC stations ID themselves aurally.

But back to the previous post, I too have noticed WNBC-TV doesn't ID themselves on the hour, as they should. Perhaps that falls in line with NBC's mandate to de-emphasize localism. However, I don't think the FCC, if they were paying attention, would take kindly to the use of "NBC New York" (sans the "W") on-screen every hour.

 

[compubit]

Interesting that I just saw this subject... Two comments/notes

1) WDIV in Detroit has WDIV Detroit as part of their news set (at the very top of the screen) - so when there's a wide-shot of of the news desk, there's the ID...

2) After reading the rules, I guess the following would be a legal ID:

KZZZ, NBC 37, 608-614 MHz, Broadcast Communications, East Undershirt, Iowa

(where Broadcast Communications is the licensee of the station...)

Jim

 

[DToTheJ]

And WNYW's news desk reads "WNYW New York" on it. Anyone who ever saw Ernie Anastos' infamous "chicken" comment knows this...

 

[pab]

Isn't a visual and/or aural ID sort of a redundancy in these days of ATSC with PSIP? If your entire broadcast is encoded digital, shouldn't it be enough to identify yourself in your PSIP packets continuously?

 

[w9wi]

Isn't a visual and/or aural ID sort of a redundancy in these days of ATSC with PSIP? If your entire broadcast is encoded digital, shouldn't it be enough to identify yourself in your PSIP packets continuously?

I certainly think so.

Likewise, radio stations should be allowed to drop their aural IDs if their legal callsigns are in their IBOC PAD. (or for FM, in the RDS PS or PI)

 

[tripinva]

IBOC and RDS (optional) aren't nearly as prevalent as ATSC (required).

- Trip

 

[pab]

IBOC and RDS (optional) aren't nearly as prevalent as ATSC (required).

Good point, but are IBOC -HDx stations required to aurally identify themselves? I know that here in Philadelphia, KYW runs an ID for their sumulcast on WYSP-HD2, but that could be as much for promotion as for identification.

 

[tripinva]

I think so. I can't imagine that my local WVTF would go through the absolutely atrocious ID they do on their HD2 if they didn't have to.

- Trip

 

[w9wi]

I think so. I can't imagine that my local WVTF would go through the absolutely atrocious ID they do on their HD2 if they didn't have to.

- Trip

Yes, HD Radio subchannels are required to ID as such. Which indeed can lead to some rather nasty IDs when those subchannels simulcast a different analog station. (e.g.., WNRQ HD3 Nashville, simulcasting WLAC AM)

 

[badjef]

Speaking of IDs, WNBC since they changed their news opens, has completely stopped doing IDs. Not between shows, not during network breaks, nowhere on the station at any point do you see "WNBC New York"

WCBS only IDs some of the time.

Unless you are OTA, if you are on cable or Sat. you may not see it.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[BiggieFats]

Unless you are OTA, if you are on cable or Sat. you may not see it.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Why would that make any difference? (I have both)