The other shoe has dropped, and WYAY has filed to move to 106.5C1. http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws...9991&Service=FM&Form_id=301&Facility_id=48727
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ive been waiting
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I see that WYAY is applying for the tower that 102.9 uses for its transmitter. i will wait to see the FCC's signal map once its posted because my attempt to draw a map puts the tower close to thomaston.
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i see that maybe 106.7 could not move intown due to 96.1fm. I dont totally under stand this IF thing but 106.7-10.6 is 96.1 but 106.5-10.6 is 95.9 and 106.5-10.8 is 95.7fm...Still waiting to see what application WSKZ files.
The new WYAY site is the channel 63 (TBN, WHSG) TV tower on Glenwood Avenue. It's just south of I-20 between Boulevard SE and Bill Kennedy SE. The site is also home to the LPTV stations on channels 16 and 40; to the FM translators on 94.5 and 102.9; and to backup transmitters for 94.9, 96.1, 99.7, and 100.5.
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The IF thing.. is a bit lengthy to explain but here goes...
All FM radios (and nearly all AM sets) use Edwin Armstrong's "superheterodyne" citcuit. In this circuit, incoming signals from the radio stations are mixed with a "dead air" signal from a "local oscillator".
The "mixing" process results in four signals:
- The original radio station signal.
- The "dead air" signal.
- Their sum.
- Their difference.
So if you mix the existing WYAY signal on 106.7 and a "dead air" signal on 117.4, you get:
- 106.7 (WYAY)
- 117.4 (the "dead air" signal)
- 224.1 (the sum of the two)
- 10.7 (their difference)
When you move your tuning dial, the frequency of the dead air signal is changed. For example, if you want to listen to WUBL 94.9, you change the dead air signal to 105.6. You get:
- 94.9 (WUBL)
- 105.6 (the "dead air" signal)
- 200.5 (the sum of the two)
- 10.7 (their difference)
You always set the "dead air" signal so its difference from the desired station is 10.7.
That means that every circuit after the "mixer" can *always* operate on 10.7MHz - the "local oscillator" which generates the dead air signal is the only thing you have to tune. Makes it a LOT easier to build a radio, makes tuning a LOT more stable, makes it easier to select between stations.
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Now, let's say that, on the same tower as WUBL 94.9, we have a *station* (we'll call it "WXX-FM") broadcasting on 105.6. Before you even look at the "dead air" signal generated inside your radio, you have these four signals going into the mixer circuit:
- 94.9 (WUBL)
- 105.6 (WXX-FM)
- 200.5 (the sum of the two)
- 10.7 (their difference)
The circuits normally designed to pick up this 10.7MHz signal will do just that. Note that the "dead air" signal doesn't come into the mix here at all. This means you'll hear a mix of The Bull and WXX regardless of where your dial is tuned. Not a good thing, unless you like listening to two stations at once & having no choice of which two!
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Because we don't use the "even" frequencies like 105.6 in the U.S., we can't have exactly this situation. But 10.6 and 10.8 are close enough to cause major interference. For that reason, the FCC requires stations separated by 10.6 or 10.8 to be a minimum distance apart.* That way, their signals cannot both be strong enough in any one receiver to "mix".
* Two Class C stations, the most powerful stations allowed, must be at least 48km/30mi. apart if they're separated by 10.6 or 10.8MHz. Lesser separations are allowed for less-powerful stations.
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The IF thing.. is a bit lengthy to explain but here goes...
All FM radios (and nearly all AM sets) use Edwin Armstrong's "superheterodyne" citcuit. In this circuit, incoming signals from the radio stations are mixed with a "dead air" signal from a "local oscillator".
The "mixing" process results in four signals:
- The original radio station signal.
- The "dead air" signal.
- Their sum.
- Their difference.
So if you mix the existing WYAY signal on 106.7 and a "dead air" signal on 117.4, you get:
- 106.7 (WYAY)
- 117.4 (the "dead air" signal)
- 224.1 (the sum of the two)
- 10.7 (their difference)
When you move your tuning dial, the frequency of the dead air signal is changed. For example, if you want to listen to WUBL 94.9, you change the dead air signal to 105.6. You get:
- 94.9 (WUBL)
- 105.6 (the "dead air" signal)
- 200.5 (the sum of the two)
- 10.7 (their difference)
You always set the "dead air" signal so its difference from the desired station is 10.7.
That means that every circuit after the "mixer" can *always* operate on 10.7MHz - the "local oscillator" which generates the dead air signal is the only thing you have to tune. Makes it a LOT easier to build a radio, makes tuning a LOT more stable, makes it easier to select between stations.
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Now, let's say that, on the same tower as WUBL 94.9, we have a *station* (we'll call it "WXX-FM") broadcasting on 105.6. Before you even look at the "dead air" signal generated inside your radio, you have these four signals going into the mixer circuit:
- 94.9 (WUBL)
- 105.6 (WXX-FM)
- 200.5 (the sum of the two)
- 10.7 (their difference)
The circuits normally designed to pick up this 10.7MHz signal will do just that. Note that the "dead air" signal doesn't come into the mix here at all. This means you'll hear a mix of The Bull and WXX regardless of where your dial is tuned. Not a good thing, unless you like listening to two stations at once & having no choice of which two!
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Because we don't use the "even" frequencies like 105.6 in the U.S., we can't have exactly this situation. But 10.6 and 10.8 are close enough to cause major interference. For that reason, the FCC requires stations separated by 10.6 or 10.8 to be a minimum distance apart.* That way, their signals cannot both be strong enough in any one receiver to "mix".
* Two Class C stations, the most powerful stations allowed, must be at least 48km/30mi. apart if they're separated by 10.6 or 10.8MHz. Lesser separations are allowed for less-powerful stations.
You have got to give Cumulus credit for "maximization" of their properties. Citadel (which was always cash short after the ABC Radio purchase) should have done this a couple of years ago. I have nothing against the folks in Chattanooga, (I use to live in Lakesite) but there is just a lot more money in market #9 than #108. As long as WSKZ remains on Signal Mountain, at the same height and at least 50KW there should not be a huge coverage loss.
I'm not sure what this gets them, unless it's building penetration intown. It doesn't seem to get them any additional real estate--not with that big ol' null to the northwest--unless that would go away with a move or downgrade of WSKZ.
I'd like to see a signal plot to see how this would be receivable in the northwest quadrant, particularly versus the current signal. It seems like they are losing a lot of valuable coverage.
It does reduce the stymie posed by 107.1's current app, which would prevent any move-in or powering up of 106.7 as a second-adjacent. Could Cumulus buy 107.1 (and the Dickeys dump WIFN) and do a simul?
I'd like to see a signal plot to see how this would be receivable in the northwest quadrant, particularly versus the current signal. It seems like they are losing a lot of valuable coverage.
It does reduce the stymie posed by 107.1's current app, which would prevent any move-in or powering up of 106.7 as a second-adjacent. Could Cumulus buy 107.1 (and the Dickeys dump WIFN) and do a simul?
Good information!
This explains why WQBZ 106.3 Fort Valley is expected to move a few miles south to a different tower.
This explains why WQBZ 106.3 Fort Valley is expected to move a few miles south to a different tower.
wpb1999 said:
They really should change the call letters and use that as part of the slogan. That will make the brand familiar when the move happens in a couple of years (yes it will take that long at least).
As I have said earlier something like what CBS had done in DC: WNEW All News 99-1. That gives the WNEW as a brand and All News 99-1. The announcers sometimes say "coming up next on All News 99-1" or "the WNEW official weather forcast from..." or at the top and bottom of the hour "WNEW All News 99-1". For the Atlanta operation to do this, they need new call letters. WYAY does not work. I was listening to the woman that was DJing over the weekend and because she talked fast, it always sounded like she was saying WYY. I listened for an hour to see if I could ever hear the A in the WYAY call letters.
Did "WYAY" ever stand for anything? Before someone says 'Y106', I think that moniker followed the calls. Reminds me of the short-lived WYAP for 95.5. "WYA" must be a hard combo for the FCC to unload.
About the move. What is CC getting from Cumulus to do the Macon move (assuming they are related)? Money? A CC-favoring move in another market, perhaps to be named later?
I could almost see CC be willing to do this to stick it to Cox, by providing competition to WSB (would a less dominant WSB be easier for WGST to compete against in the talk arena?) as well as stymieing a move-in by WNGC (which would compete with CC's Bull and Cumulus's Kicks).
About the move. What is CC getting from Cumulus to do the Macon move (assuming they are related)? Money? A CC-favoring move in another market, perhaps to be named later?
I could almost see CC be willing to do this to stick it to Cox, by providing competition to WSB (would a less dominant WSB be easier for WGST to compete against in the talk arena?) as well as stymieing a move-in by WNGC (which would compete with CC's Bull and Cumulus's Kicks).
Be assured whatever the Dickeees do it is about getting as much money out of its stations, while paying the fewest amount of people possible.
I know that is radio, or any buisness these days, the Dickeees have a special knack for being the best at it though.
Nothing they do has you in mind, listeners do not matter as long as they are lining their pockets.
They almost make me wish for Citadel to own the stations again, and I can't believe I'm saying that.
On a happier note, that was a GREAT explanation of radio RF, Thank you!
I know that is radio, or any buisness these days, the Dickeees have a special knack for being the best at it though.
Nothing they do has you in mind, listeners do not matter as long as they are lining their pockets.
They almost make me wish for Citadel to own the stations again, and I can't believe I'm saying that.
On a happier note, that was a GREAT explanation of radio RF, Thank you!
WYAY @ 106.5 60dbu map from the FCC
http://g.co/maps/u9zsq
Can't get much better than that! Definitely a smart-move(in).
Wonder if they would want to get a hold of the WCNN call sign now on 680. Atlanta's All News 106.5 WCNN. The CNN brand though today doesn't hold the weight it did though years ago.
http://g.co/maps/u9zsq
Can't get much better than that! Definitely a smart-move(in).
Wonder if they would want to get a hold of the WCNN call sign now on 680. Atlanta's All News 106.5 WCNN. The CNN brand though today doesn't hold the weight it did though years ago.
jabba17 said:
Remember, for a while they simulcast on 104.1, WYAI (which sounds nearly exactly like WYAY.) I always thought it was so creative that you could year the Y106 ID and jingles on 106.7 and hear the Y104 ID and jingles on 104.1. Yet, all the jocks always said, "Y106 and Y104" identifying both stations.
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