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WYSP To Flip To WIP Simulcast "By Labor Day"

Nathan Obral said:
My only issue if CBS gets 106.9 is that I thought Family Radio was selling off both 106.9 and their Annapolis outlet as a two-fer. CBS getting both stations is impossible unless they planned to spin off the Annapolis station (which would count against, IIRC, BOTH their DC and Baltimore caps).
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YDNRC.

WFSI can be "home" to only one market, and thus count against ownership caps only in that market. (The exception to that would be if it were "home" to a nested market such as Nassau-Suffolk within NYC.)

In any event, CBS is not at the cap in either DC or Baltimore. In Baltimore, it has just three FMs and one AM, giving it room for at least one more FM even given its ownership of WJZ-TV. In Washington, it has four FMs and one AM, giving it room for one more FM within the cap.
 
What I'm not understanding is how these simmocasts are aloud. I was under the impression that you could not simmocast an AM on an FM. Or is that just to do with time blocks?
Between the possabillety of Merlan, plus WPEN AM and FM, plus WIP AM/FM, music formats are slowly dieing on FM.
 
John Holcomb II said:
What I'm not understanding is how these simmocasts are aloud. I was under the impression that you could not simmocast an AM on an FM. Or is that just to do with time blocks?
Between the possabillety of Merlan, plus WPEN AM and FM, plus WIP AM/FM, music formats are slowly dieing on FM.
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AM/FM simulcasts have been allowed since at least the mid-80's. Two stations of the same band can't simulcast if their coverages overlap or intersect without requesting a waiver or demonstrating that the signals don't overlap or intersect in the real world.
 
WIP has been airing the Phillies a lot lately, so a simulcast on 94.1 would make sense. And like it's rival the Fanatic, it sounds better.
 
magicjellybeans said:
Another Music format GONE! :( Why are all the music formats going away?Especially ROCK?
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The answer is easy:BILLING! Broadcast consultant Holland Cooke wrote some time ago about the migration of spoken-word formats to FM. He's being proved out.
 
It would be so cool to hear the Phillies on 94.1 . WYSP HD-3 sounds good for games, better than WOGL HD-3, but the HD-3 in mono doesn't have the power that an HD-1 in stereo has. For Eagles coverage what will happen with the WYSP Eagles Pregame Show with Bill Bergey, Kevin Reilly, and John Miller?
 
magicjellybeans said:
Another Music format GONE! :( Why are all the music formats going away?Especially ROCK?
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Ironically, music formats are becoming increasingly more expensive to run than talk formats. Royalty rates on-air, the threat of a performance royalty, plus the added costs and royalties with streaming make music formats costly. Talk formats used to cost more when you factored in the talent, producers, copy writers etc. Now if you are making your own content and having someone talking all day then you don't have to pay the royalty collectors, it can be cheaper than just having a computer playing songs and paying someone to voice track or sit there and crack the mic sometimes.

Also, a talk format, especially a local talk format (whatever flavor, sports, news) is something that an iPod, Pandora, cd player, can't do. If people are turning to those for their music service, dropping music, and providing something unique and local like talk can be a competitive edge.
 
What I don't get is, everyone's always hammering away at WYSP and its format on this board, yet everyone wants to keep it around and move it to 106.9.
I don't care one way or the other really, the station's not my thing and hasn't been since Howard left. My question is why are all of you guys doing back flips trying to 'save' it?
I don't have it in for anyone at the station, in fact more power to everyone who works there. Glad you have the work. This is more about this board and why some days it's 'YSP must go' and others it's, 'We can save them by moving them'.
Always entertaining here, but some days... well, confusing.
 
610 WYSP Talks

6-10am Paul Barsky
10-3pm Buzz Bissinger
3-7pm Spike & Gordon
7-10pm Dom Giordano
10-2am rotating (not permanently)
2-5:30am Big Daddy Graham (simulcast)
5:30-6am Barsky Best-Of

Fill Dom's spot on 1210 with syndicated fare. It's what the station seems to be built on anyway.

...a man can dream, can't he? :p
 
magicjellybeans said:
Another Music format GONE! :( Why are all the music formats going away?Especially ROCK?
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And considering all of this is happening in the PPM-era (rock formats were supposedly "PPM-friendly" on paper), it's quite a mystery...
 
Ken said:
...Once WYSP goes sports, WOGL will be CBS Radio's only music formated station in Philly.
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Not necessarily... I can almost guarantee you that WYSP will "live on" online and on 94.1's HD-2 signal... And don't forget WOGL's alternate stream - all-'70's from January through October, and all-Christmas the rest of the year!
 
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but if this happens, will there be any point to keep WIP as sports? No one will want to listen on the marginal, scratchy AM signal when they'll be a beautiful, clear FM signal that covers the same if not more territory. I say bring music back to 610 AM. Rumor has it that the Broadcast Architecture smooth jazz network is looking for AM affiliates for it's smooth jazz network to bring that format back to cities that have lost their FM smooth jazz station. "Smooth Jazz 610 AM" would be fun!
 
All discussions about what's left to hear on AM Radio aside, I'm really opposed to moving Baseball off of clear channels...because I live in Florida, and can still pull in 1210 at night in my car; when they play The Cardinals, I can catch them on KMOX 1120; when they play Cincinnati, I can catch them on 700 WLW; and so on. I would hate to see Baseball move to FM without the benefit of clear channel simulcasts.
 
DToTheJ said:
Ken said:
...Once WYSP goes sports, WOGL will be CBS Radio's only music formated station in Philly.
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Not necessarily... I can almost guarantee you that WYSP will "live on" online and on 94.1's HD-2 signal... And don't forget WOGL's alternate stream - all-'70's from January through October, and all-Christmas the rest of the year!
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Where does KYW go then? I listen on 94.1 HD-2 for traffic on the 2s at home. Much clearer for me that buzzing on 1060. If I want to listen to WIP I listen on 94.1 HD-3. Same for WPHT on 98.1 HD-3.
 
fennessy said:
All discussions about what's left to hear on AM Radio aside, I'm really opposed to moving Baseball off of clear channels...because I live in Florida, and can still pull in 1210 at night in my car; when they play The Cardinals, I can catch them on KMOX 1120; when they play Cincinnati, I can catch them on 700 WLW; and so on. I would hate to see Baseball move to FM without the benefit of clear channel simulcasts.
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What if CBS made the decision to move the Phillies to 610 and have them on WIP where they belong instead of the Big Talker 1210? You'd lose the Phillies down in FLA. Impressive that you can get 1210 down there. I've heard the Phillies at night on 1210 up in The Forks, Maine. I think the last time I was there was when it was still WCAU-AM.
You should see how small and unimpressive WPHT's transmitter is on Church Rd. in Cinnaminson, NJ. I drive right past it picking my daughter up from summer camp.
 
Bill_W said:
DToTheJ said:
Ken said:
...Once WYSP goes sports, WOGL will be CBS Radio's only music formated station in Philly.
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Not necessarily... I can almost guarantee you that WYSP will "live on" online and on 94.1's HD-2 signal... And don't forget WOGL's alternate stream - all-'70's from January through October, and all-Christmas the rest of the year!
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Where does KYW go then? I listen on 94.1 HD-2 for traffic on the 2s at home. Much clearer for me that buzzing on 1060. If I want to listen to WIP I listen on 94.1 HD-3. Same for WPHT on 98.1 HD-3.
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Here's what I would do with the HD stations:
94.1 HD-2: WFAN New York
94.1 HD-3: WJZ-FM Baltimore
94.1 HD-4: WJFK-FM Manassas (Washington DC)

98.1 HD-2: KYW
98.1 HD-3: WPHT

What I suggest for 94.1 is similar to what CBS is doing on WJFK. (Obviously the order is different, and the fourth station is WIP).

Obviously, all markets are different. DC has transplants that would want to hear stations from NYC, Philly or Baltimore, perhaps more than Philly has transplants who want to hear sports stations from other cities. Also, lots of people who want to hear WFAN in Philly can just pick it up on 660.

But if they do this, I'm in on HD radio.
 
Just some thoughts here at this point .....

WIP was granted a CP for a pattern change seven months ago. They'd keep the same 5000 watts, but have different day/night patterns instead of the one they've used 24/7 for decades ....

Eagle 107 from Sunbury carries (of course) Eagles games on their 107.3 FM. During the rest of the week they're a modified Classic Rocker with a huge playlist ; modified meaning not very much hair-metal. They showed somewhat in the middle of the pack in the last Sunbury-Selinsgrove-Lewisburg ratings I saw. But those numbers weren't continuous and may not even exist anymore ......

WIP has a pretty nice signal up this way (Schuylkill County) pretty much 'round the clock. I always enjoy their programming whenever I have the occasion to tune in. Now, I'm a distinct minority as far as listening habits go, but a big Philadelphia boo from here if they go to 94.1. Giant Hot-AC '94 KX', out of Sunbury, is on 94.1 and is too much of a prohibitive obstacle to reception ......

I'm puzzled about the simulcast rule. Initially, the FCC decreed that AM-FM combos in big markets had to program separately a certain number of hours per day. Naturally, there are ways around regulations which are almost tradition at this point, but was the spirit of that rule rusted out by the first de-regulation wave? ......

The poster (Holcomb?) who pointed out the 'less music' syndrome gets a big amen from me. It seems that those in charge of FM programming are managing to turn the FM dial in all those big markets into the next Short Wave dial faster than AM did ......

No one put a gun to the heads of FM music programmers and forced them to stream music and pay more to do it. Perhaps some of these CEO's and managers would do themselves well by banding as one and refusing to pay the exorbitant rates. I'd suggest they start the negotiations with threatening not to pay any .....

Of course, such a boycott would help out the smaller, independent internet radio stations, eh? .....
 
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