XM 31 The Torch leaving and so am I

[neutral_observer]

Re: Static

> I said christian broadcasters are hypocrites, which they
> are.

A few, but coming nowhere close to a significant number, let alone a majority or "all."



> Thet are the 10-watt equivalent of the moneychangers in the
> temple.

Nonsense. I can't think of any examples where the pay scale in Christian radio exceeds (or even matches) that in secular. And, once again, Christian radio stations exist in every class, including "C."



> KLOVE and The Torch are exactly similar in many ways, not
> the least of which is that their proponents are turning coin...

Their "proponents?" You don't seem to have the vocabulary necessary to express your biased, bigoted, and truly ignorant idea. Do some learning and try again in a few years.

Oh, by the way, they're not similar, at all.



> ...by using popular forms of music to generate support for
> their cause - and turn a buck.

Your statement completely precludes the fact that Jesus exists and might actually have a whole lot to do with it. It's not "our" cause -- it's His. And, as far as turning a buck goes, the genre is populated far more by people who have made sacrifices to be in it than those trying to "turn a buck." Again, massive ignorance on your part.

(And I can very safely say that 'cause I was once in your position...and much
better at the attack, if I do say so myself.)



> Ever drive by the TBN's palace? Remember PTL? ...All the same thing.

Those people are embarassments to us far more than even you can possibly conceive.

 

[zumahans1]

Re: Static

> I can't think of any examples where the pay scale
> in Christian radio exceeds (or even matches) that in
> secular.

Of course not, it's the owners who are sucking the coins.


> Their "proponents?" You don't seem to have the vocabulary
> necessary to express your biased, bigoted, and truly
> ignorant idea. Do some learning and try again in a few
> years.

How very christian of you.


> Your statement completely precludes the fact that Jesus
> exists and might actually have a whole lot to do with it.
> It's not "our" cause -- it's His. '


Oooooo, Jesus is on the moneychangers' side now? When he change teams?


> the genre is populated far more by people who
> have made sacrifices to be in it than those trying to "turn
> a buck." Again, massive ignorance on your part.

Bullsheet. The TBNs, CBNs and Salems of this world own the business.

> (And I can very safely say that 'cause I was once in your
> position...and much
> better at the attack, if I do say so myself.)
>
Yeah, you say a lot.
>
> > Ever drive by the TBN's palace? Remember PTL? ...All the
> same thing.
>
> Those people are embarassments to us far more than even you
> can possibly conceive.
>
You should be mortified by them, because they represent you. Add Salem to the list.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 04/13/06 04:53 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[neutral_observer]

Re: Static

> Of course not, it's the owners who are sucking the coins.

The overwhelming majority are "owned" by nonprofit organizations, and "sucking coins" is just not an option.

I don't know enough about the nonprofit regs to claim to be anywhere near an expert, but I *do* know the story of a guy who, kinda like you, thought there was much money to be made. He "owned" a nonprofit, noncommercial station which he, long story short, worked as a "flip." He never made a cent operating it but performed a swap, of sorts, which netted a little more than $500,000. Problem -- being incorporated as a nonprofit, there was no way at all for him to ever get it out! He actually died before he could figure out a way to take a penny, and the money, by law, had to be donated to another nonprofit. He died without ever having "sucked coin," and his children never saw a cent.

By the way, with the overwhelming majority being nonprofits, all the top salaries are publically disclosed, and, having looked at a number of them, I can assure you that very, very qualified and very, very talented people are, indeed, making sacrifices to do Christian radio.



> > Their "proponents?" You don't seem to have the vocabulary
> > necessary to express your biased, bigoted, and truly
> > ignorant idea. Do some learning and try again in a few
> > years.
>
> How very christian of you.

Thank you! I'm definitely acting in love, looking out for *your* best interest even though it's taking my time. You're walking around ignorant, embarassing yourself and suffering from festering hate, and I've stepped in to give you the truth!



> > Your statement completely precludes the fact that Jesus
> > exists and might actually have a whole lot to do with it.
> > It's not "our" cause -- it's His. '
>
> Oooooo, Jesus is on the moneychangers' side now? When he
> change teams?

I have no idea what you're talking about. That makes no sense.


> > the genre is populated far more by people who
> > have made sacrifices to be in it than those trying to "turn
> > a buck." Again, massive ignorance on your part.
>
> Bullsheet. The TBNs, CBNs and Salems of this world own the
> business.

CBN owns nothing or nearly nothing. TBN owns a lot of tv (though certainly not all), and Salem does own some radio. However, the overwhelming majority of stations are owned by nonprofit organizations and colleges and universities.


> > (And I can very safely say that 'cause I was once in your
> > position...and much better at the attack, if I do say so myself.)
>
> Yeah, you say a lot.

...because it's true. A number of years ago, I was a hardcore atheist who, like I said, was much stronger on the attack than you. However, I was challenged to explore Christ objectively and came to the absolute conclusion that I had no choice but to call Christ Lord and give Him my life.

As you might guess, I would challenge you to do the same research.



> > > Ever drive by the TBN's palace? Remember PTL? ...All the same thing.
> >
> > Those people are embarassments to us far more than even you
> > can possibly conceive.
>
> You should be mortified by them, because they represent you.
> Add Salem to the list.

Aside from some ridiculous infomercials they run on their teaching and talk stations and a fundamental disagreement with their music strategy on the music stations, I don't see any problem with Salem.



But none of this has to do with "The Torch."

 

[zumahans1]

Re: Static

> The overwhelming majority are "owned" by nonprofit
> organizations, and "sucking coins" is just not an option.


Bwah hah hah hah. You think non-profits can't reel in cash?



>
> By the way, with the overwhelming majority being nonprofits,
> all the top salaries are publically disclosed, and, having
> looked at a number of them, I can assure you that very, very
> qualified and very, very talented people are, indeed, making
> sacrifices to do Christian radio.
>

And other are doing quite well. How much does coin does Salem reel in on its rent-a-praise stations? Give me a break.


> > How very christian of you.
>
> Thank you! I'm definitely acting in love, looking out for
> *your* best interest even though it's taking my time.

It was sarcasm, and your piety has clouded your mind's BS detector.


> You're walking around ignorant, embarassing yourself and
> suffering from festering hate, and I've stepped in to give
> you the truth!

Again, how very christian of you. Here to save the heathens. If I were an indian, you'd make me work in chains in your fields to save me.


> CBN owns nothing or nearly nothing.

Bwah hah hah hah. This is sooooo funny. CBN doesn't provide Falwell with income? How much money did he make selling his Family network? He's a BILLIONAIRE.

> TBN owns a lot of tv
> (though certainly not all), and Salem does own some radio.

"some radio"??? "A lot of TV?"

These are HUGE coporations making their owners MILLIONS in perks and benefits.


> However, the overwhelming majority of stations are owned by
> nonprofit organizations and colleges and universities.
>
Even the little ones provide a nice little income to their operators, who make their living seperating money from the faithful. Jesus was right about the temples being full of moneychanges, and the modern corollary has an FCC license.

And of course, the major market stations, where the vast majority of people live, and where the money comes from, are corporate owned.

> A number of years ago, I was a
> hardcore atheist who, like I said, was much stronger on the
> attack than you. However, I was challenged to explore
> Christ objectively and came to the absolute conclusion that
> I had no choice but to call Christ Lord and give Him my
> life.

How sweet. How irrelevent to this thread. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 04/15/06 07:46 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[neutral_observer]

Re: Static

> > The overwhelming majority are "owned" by nonprofit
> > organizations, and "sucking coins" is just not an option.
>
> Bwah hah hah hah. You think non-profits can't reel in cash?

Oh, of course they can. However, Christian radio stations are not among them. If you're looking for that "reel in cash" scenario, you'll really want to look in places like the United Way...places well-known for corruption and numerous "employees" who are...well, I imagine you know.

It sounds like you might be talking about "public" radio stations; there, you'll find many people with virtually no marketable skills outside of "public" radio being paid salaries well above market norms!



> > By the way, with the overwhelming majority being nonprofits,
> > all the top salaries are publically disclosed, and, having
> > looked at a number of them, I can assure you that very, very
> > qualified and very, very talented people are, indeed, making
> > sacrifices to do Christian radio.
>
> And other are doing quite well.

As I said, I'm not aware of a single person being paid near or above that person's marketplace value should he or she be at a "regular" station. Not one.



> How much does coin does Salem reel in on its rent-a-praise stations?
> Give me a break.

I don't even know what that means. Using the industry-accepted terms would be your best bet if you wish to be understood.



> > > How very christian of you.
> >
> > Thank you! I'm definitely acting in love, looking out for
> > *your* best interest even though it's taking my time.
>
> It was sarcasm, and your piety has clouded your mind's BS
> detector.

I have no piety, and I did recognize it as sarcasm.



> > You're walking around ignorant, embarassing yourself and
> > suffering from festering hate, and I've stepped in to give
> > you the truth!
>
> Again, how very christian of you. Here to save the heathens.
> If I were an indian, you'd make me work in chains in your
> fields to save me.

Having been shown not to know what you're talking about, you seem to be trying to change the subject. Nevertheless, I'll point out again that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and that you are suffering serious embarassment whether you realize that or not. I really *am* trying to help you avoid that and understand.


> > CBN owns nothing or nearly nothing.
>
> Bwah hah hah hah. This is sooooo funny.

It's true.

You seem to have many...uh...misconceptions! Whatever your sources are, they are completely untrustworthy.


> CBN doesn't provide Falwell with income?

No...why? That's never been the case!



> How much money did he make selling his Family network? He's a BILLIONAIRE.

Who? Pat Robertson? He made a good chunk, but I don't recall him getting anywhere near reaching billionaire status.

However, I have to ask -- what in the world is the problem with starting a business and then selling it at market value when an offer comes along??


> > TBN owns a lot of tv
> > (though certainly not all), and Salem does own some radio.
>
> "some radio"??? "A lot of TV?"

Yes...


> These are HUGE coporations making their owners MILLIONS in
> perks and benefits.

Salem is a public company, and its owners are anyone and everyone who buys its stock. You could be an owner.

By the way, it's "perqs." You're ignorant in many areas, aren't you? You should really know a lot more before trying to make such public proclamations!


> > However, the overwhelming majority of stations are owned by
> > nonprofit organizations and colleges and universities.
>
> Even the little ones provide a nice little income to their
> operators, who make their living seperating money from the
> faithful.

That's just a completely false characterization.

And, by the way, some operate at a loss and require cash to be put in by owners!


> Jesus was right about the temples being full of
> moneychanges, and the modern corollary has an FCC license.

Do you mean "moneychangers?"

Regardless, you're just wrong.



> And of course, the major market stations, where the vast
> majority of people live, and where the money comes from, are
> corporate owned.

Some are, but many aren't.

How big do you want to go? Take your pick...I'll tell you who's there.



> > A number of years ago, I was a hardcore atheist who, like I said,
> > was much stronger on the attack than you. However, I was challenged
> > to explore Christ objectively and came to the absolute conclusion
> > that I had no choice but to call Christ Lord and give Him my life.
>
> How sweet. How irrelevent to this thread.

No more irrelevant that your ignorant, ridiculous, and easily-disproven attacks on Christian radio stations, none of which are called "The Torch" or are found on XM.

I guess the real question is this -- who or what has hurt you to the extent that you feel you need to attack to this extent in spite of not even knowing what you're talking about? How can we help you with that?