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XM: Listen Large? (And how this might relate to Sirius)

C

Cybelesown2

I just happened to notice that XM's website (http://xmradio.com/) now sports the slogan "LISTEN LARGE (TM) AMERICA'S LARGEST PLAYLIST."

From what I've read, Sirius tends to have deeper playlists than the typical FM station but XM's playlists tend to be even deeper than Sirius's.

If so, then XM's advertising here may well be correct.

Would that be something in Sirius's best interest to change (e.g., deepen its playlists) or counter (in terms of advertising)? Perhaps Sirius is consciously trying to differentiate itself from XM in terms of playlist depth?

Of course, offhand, I'd say as a listener that I prefer deeper playlists.

On the other hand, years ago some top 40 stations found that ratings (Or billings? Both?) soared when they trimmed playlists, sometimes to as few as 20 songs!

Thoughts, anyone?
 
> I just happened to notice that XM's website
> (http://xmradio.com/) now sports the slogan "LISTEN LARGE
> (TM) AMERICA'S LARGEST PLAYLIST."
>
> From what I've read, Sirius tends to have deeper playlists
> than the typical FM station but XM's playlists tend to be
> even deeper than Sirius's.
>
> If so, then XM's advertising here may well be correct.
>
> Would that be something in Sirius's best interest to change
> (e.g., deepen its playlists) or counter (in terms of
> advertising)? Perhaps Sirius is consciously trying to
> differentiate itself from XM in terms of playlist depth?
>
> Of course, offhand, I'd say as a listener that I prefer
> deeper playlists.
>
> On the other hand, years ago some top 40 stations found that
> ratings (Or billings? Both?) soared when they trimmed
> playlists, sometimes to as few as 20 songs!
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>


I'll say this. I have had XM for about a year and a half. My girlfriend recently got sirius for howard (why I will never know) Anyway, we went on a long trip and we're listening to one station for the most part (rock station, i dont remember which one) and I heard a song repeated twice in about 2-3 hrs. Thats not bad compared to regular radio but I have listened the same way & for the same amount of time to XM and never heard a repeat in that time.
 
> I just happened to notice that XM's website
> (http://xmradio.com/) now sports the slogan "LISTEN LARGE
> (TM) AMERICA'S LARGEST PLAYLIST."
>
> From what I've read, Sirius tends to have deeper playlists
> than the typical FM station but XM's playlists tend to be
> even deeper than Sirius's.
>
> If so, then XM's advertising here may well be correct.
>
> Would that be something in Sirius's best interest to change
> (e.g., deepen its playlists) or counter (in terms of
> advertising)? Perhaps Sirius is consciously trying to
> differentiate itself from XM in terms of playlist depth?
>
> Of course, offhand, I'd say as a listener that I prefer
> deeper playlists.
>
> On the other hand, years ago some top 40 stations found that
> ratings (Or billings? Both?) soared when they trimmed
> playlists, sometimes to as few as 20 songs!
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>

I had SIRIUS in early 2005, then dropped them when Air America left. Before I finally ended my subscription it became quite clear just how repetitive their playlists were. It's really horrible.

I'd heard xm before and enjoyed it. We have DIRECTV and so I was ecstatic when xm was added as our music channels. It's excellent. It's very refreshing to not hear the same ten songs every hour and to hear songs you've either never heard or haven't heard in quite some time because radio isn't playing them. I'm talking singles that never charted well and/or songs that weren't necessarily released as singles. *That's* why I love xm. The variety and the deep, deep playlists.
 
> > I just happened to notice that XM's website
> > (http://xmradio.com/) now sports the slogan "LISTEN LARGE
> > (TM) AMERICA'S LARGEST PLAYLIST."
> >
> > From what I've read, Sirius tends to have deeper playlists
>
> > than the typical FM station but XM's playlists tend to be
> > even deeper than Sirius's.
> >
> > If so, then XM's advertising here may well be correct.
> >
> > Would that be something in Sirius's best interest to
> change
> > (e.g., deepen its playlists) or counter (in terms of
> > advertising)? Perhaps Sirius is consciously trying to
> > differentiate itself from XM in terms of playlist depth?
> >
> > Of course, offhand, I'd say as a listener that I prefer
> > deeper playlists.
> >
> > On the other hand, years ago some top 40 stations found
> that
> > ratings (Or billings? Both?) soared when they trimmed
> > playlists, sometimes to as few as 20 songs!
> >
> > Thoughts, anyone?
> >
>
>
> I'll say this. I have had XM for about a year and a half. My
> girlfriend recently got sirius for howard (why I will never
> know) Anyway, we went on a long trip and we're listening to
> one station for the most part (rock station, i dont remember
> which one) and I heard a song repeated twice in about 2-3
> hrs. Thats not bad compared to regular radio but I have
> listened the same way & for the same amount of time to XM
> and never heard a repeat in that time.
>

I've heard the same band within 3 hours on XM, but they didn't play the same song. SIRIUS playing the same tune in a 2-3 hour period? Isn't taht terrestrial radio without 30 miutes of commercials? The same song in 2-3 hours is one of the big reasons I don't listen to terrestrial radio.
 
> I just happened to notice that XM's website
> (http://xmradio.com/) now sports the slogan "LISTEN LARGE
> (TM) AMERICA'S LARGEST PLAYLIST."
>
> From what I've read, Sirius tends to have deeper playlists
> than the typical FM station but XM's playlists tend to be
> even deeper than Sirius's.
>
> If so, then XM's advertising here may well be correct.
>
> Would that be something in Sirius's best interest to change
> (e.g., deepen its playlists) or counter (in terms of
> advertising)? Perhaps Sirius is consciously trying to
> differentiate itself from XM in terms of playlist depth?
>
> Of course, offhand, I'd say as a listener that I prefer
> deeper playlists.
>
> On the other hand, years ago some top 40 stations found that
> ratings (Or billings? Both?) soared when they trimmed
> playlists, sometimes to as few as 20 songs!
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>

Check the fan forums and alt.radio.satellite on Usenet and you'll see this issue come up repeatedly. This history of deep-playlist formats on FM is unhappy; just about every time one has been tried, a highly researched, focus-group-tested, tight-playlist format signs on at a competitor and blows it out of the water in ratings and ad dollars.

Theoretically, with commercial-free music channels, satellite radio shouldn't be worried about corporate America's aversion to risk-taking musical formats. But with both services looking to become mainstream media rather than just niche gadgets, it could be that XM's deep playlists might be seen as "obscure music" and "B-sides" (two characterizations I often see on the aforementioned forums) by generations of listeners weaned on FM, and that might be more of a drag on XM's subscriber growth than people who try Sirius and switch to XM to hear deeper cuts would be on Sirius'.
 
I had XM for around 5 months before switching to Sirius.

I believe XM is definitely deeper but for me deeper isn't better.

IMO Sirius selects better playlists. They aren't wearing out FM used up tunes, they pull out great songs I haven't heard much in 20 years.

For example on Classic rock I didn't recall hearing one Pink Floyd or one Who song on XM. What the hell is that, classic rock without Pink or Who.

I will hear Pink or Who maybe 3 or 4 times a week between the Vault and the other classic rock channel, different songs.

Planet Jazz also has more heart and soul then the XM equivalent which was way too pansy, way too smooth jazz.

I also like Reggae and during a recent 20 hours roundtrip I memo-ed maybe a dozen songs going up and on the way back 3 days later I got maybe 6 hits... not a terrible replay rate especially since they were great songs. The same songs have not popped up since.

YMMV
 
> > > I just happened to notice that XM's website
> > > (http://xmradio.com/) now sports the slogan "LISTEN
> LARGE
> > > (TM) AMERICA'S LARGEST PLAYLIST."
> > >
> > > From what I've read, Sirius tends to have deeper
> playlists
> >
> > > than the typical FM station but XM's playlists tend to
> be
> > > even deeper than Sirius's.
> > >
> > > If so, then XM's advertising here may well be correct.
> > >
> > > Would that be something in Sirius's best interest to
> > change
> > > (e.g., deepen its playlists) or counter (in terms of
> > > advertising)? Perhaps Sirius is consciously trying to
> > > differentiate itself from XM in terms of playlist depth?
>
> > >
> > > Of course, offhand, I'd say as a listener that I prefer
> > > deeper playlists.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, years ago some top 40 stations found
> > that
> > > ratings (Or billings? Both?) soared when they trimmed
> > > playlists, sometimes to as few as 20 songs!
> > >
> > > Thoughts, anyone?
> > >
> >
> >
> > I'll say this. I have had XM for about a year and a half.
> My
> > girlfriend recently got sirius for howard (why I will
> never
> > know) Anyway, we went on a long trip and we're listening
> to
> > one station for the most part (rock station, i dont
> remember
> > which one) and I heard a song repeated twice in about 2-3
> > hrs. Thats not bad compared to regular radio but I have
> > listened the same way & for the same amount of time to XM
> > and never heard a repeat in that time.
> >
>
> I've heard the same band within 3 hours on XM, but they
> didn't play the same song. SIRIUS playing the same tune in
> a 2-3 hour period? Isn't taht terrestrial radio without 30
> miutes of commercials? The same song in 2-3 hours is one of
> the big reasons I don't listen to terrestrial radio.
>

I recently switched from XM to Sirius (NOT BECAUSE OF HOWARD) but just to try something different. Main reason was my Skyfi 2's FM modulator was too weak and I was tired of static. IMO, Sirius does a better job with rock stations but a POOR job with dance stations. The decades channels are comparable between the two. I miss BPM on XM and "The Beat" on Sirius is just far too substandard to listen to.
 
> I had XM for around 5 months before switching to Sirius.
>
> I believe XM is definitely deeper but for me deeper isn't
> better.
>
> IMO Sirius selects better playlists. They aren't wearing out
> FM used up tunes, they pull out great songs I haven't heard
> much in 20 years.
>
> For example on Classic rock I didn't recall hearing one Pink
> Floyd or one Who song on XM. What the hell is that, classic
> rock without Pink or Who.
>


I think you subscibed to Brand X.... I hear Pink and the Who all the time on top tracks. I hear them alot. Yes, I will admit Sirius has the edge on XM when it comes to Classic Rock these days. But don't say you never heard them. That's *******.

> I will hear Pink or Who maybe 3 or 4 times a week between
> the Vault and the other classic rock channel, different
> songs.
>
> Planet Jazz also has more heart and soul then the XM
> equivalent which was way too pansy, way too smooth jazz.
>
> I also like Reggae and during a recent 20 hours roundtrip I
> memo-ed maybe a dozen songs going up and on the way back 3
> days later I got maybe 6 hits... not a terrible replay rate
> especially since they were great songs. The same songs have
> not popped up since.
>
> YMMV
>
 
> > > > I just happened to notice that XM's website
> > > > (http://xmradio.com/) now sports the slogan "LISTEN
> > LARGE
> > > > (TM) AMERICA'S LARGEST PLAYLIST."
> > > >
> > > > From what I've read, Sirius tends to have deeper
> > playlists
> > >
> > > > than the typical FM station but XM's playlists tend to
>
> > be
> > > > even deeper than Sirius's.
> > > >
> > > > If so, then XM's advertising here may well be correct.
>
> > > >
> > > > Would that be something in Sirius's best interest to
> > > change
> > > > (e.g., deepen its playlists) or counter (in terms of
> > > > advertising)? Perhaps Sirius is consciously trying to
> > > > differentiate itself from XM in terms of playlist
> depth?
> >
> > > >
> > > > Of course, offhand, I'd say as a listener that I
> prefer
> > > > deeper playlists.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, years ago some top 40 stations
> found
> > > that
> > > > ratings (Or billings? Both?) soared when they trimmed
> > > > playlists, sometimes to as few as 20 songs!
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts, anyone?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll say this. I have had XM for about a year and a
> half.
> > My
> > > girlfriend recently got sirius for howard (why I will
> > never
> > > know) Anyway, we went on a long trip and we're listening
>
> > to
> > > one station for the most part (rock station, i dont
> > remember
> > > which one) and I heard a song repeated twice in about
> 2-3
> > > hrs. Thats not bad compared to regular radio but I have
> > > listened the same way & for the same amount of time to
> XM
> > > and never heard a repeat in that time.
> > >
> >
> > I've heard the same band within 3 hours on XM, but they
> > didn't play the same song. SIRIUS playing the same tune
> in
> > a 2-3 hour period? Isn't taht terrestrial radio without
> 30
> > miutes of commercials? The same song in 2-3 hours is one
> of
> > the big reasons I don't listen to terrestrial radio.
> >
>
> I recently switched from XM to Sirius (NOT BECAUSE OF
> HOWARD) but just to try something different. Main reason was
> my Skyfi 2's FM modulator was too weak and I was tired of
> static. IMO, Sirius does a better job with rock stations
> but a POOR job with dance stations. The decades channels
> are comparable between the two. I miss BPM on XM and "The
> Beat" on Sirius is just far too substandard to listen to.
>


So far he's done nothing for them (Howard). Stocks have gone nothing but negative since he's been on.
 
I wish Sirius would do something about their playlists. Earlier today, for the 3rd time in the last month, I've heard no less that 4 Springsteen songs (Including the Springsteen channel) on at the same time. I have to admit that I wasn't a big BS fan in the first place, but now his music nausiates me.

I have XM at home thru my Direct TV and so far XM blows Sirius away.


> I just happened to notice that XM's website
> (http://xmradio.com/) now sports the slogan "LISTEN LARGE
> (TM) AMERICA'S LARGEST PLAYLIST."
>
> From what I've read, Sirius tends to have deeper playlists
> than the typical FM station but XM's playlists tend to be
> even deeper than Sirius's.
>
> If so, then XM's advertising here may well be correct.
>
> Would that be something in Sirius's best interest to change
> (e.g., deepen its playlists) or counter (in terms of
> advertising)? Perhaps Sirius is consciously trying to
> differentiate itself from XM in terms of playlist depth?
>
> Of course, offhand, I'd say as a listener that I prefer
> deeper playlists.
>
> On the other hand, years ago some top 40 stations found that
> ratings (Or billings? Both?) soared when they trimmed
> playlists, sometimes to as few as 20 songs!
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>
 
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