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You "experts" kill me

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Merlin Berlin

Let's see, Sean Demery comes back and barely makes it through the first show before he gets slammed. Eric and Jimmy put together a podcast just to see what kind of chemistry they might have and immediately get ripped. The Project finally debuts their new show and as expected after day one are labeled as failures by the "PD's" here. (Please feel free to insert your favorite example here) If you effing geniuses think it's that easy and obviously can do better, you have a computer, a decent mic can be had for a couple hundred bucks, download 30 or 40 songs, write some material, and have at it! Create your own little podcast and post a link. I'd love to see what some of you come up with. Keeping in mind that the folks that do it for a living have to do it 5 days a week. Most of you would be hard pressed to create something that would maybe make a decent 10 or 15 minute segment.
You know it's not so much the criticism that gets posted here. I think it's great that we have some real talent that can offer some legitimate viewpoints. I just kills me that we have people that post some of the stuff they do. Hey it's relatively free country. Say what you want. I'd like to see some folks grab their man sacks (or joy buzzers, whatever the case may be) and back-up their opinions with some actual substance.
**stepping down off of soapbox being carefull not to step in the piles of excrement**
 
Yeah, tis true. The fact is that sometimes I can also get caught up in the hype, and try to put my two cents worth in where it shouldn't go, either.

I'm beginning to develop friendships with many people in the radio industry. Hopefully, some of those friendships may pay off to be a promising career.

I know where I stand. I've got a year's p/t experience. I've been developing my voice over the past few years, as I would like to be a successful voice talent/radio personality. I know I do need development, as that comes with experience. I do believe I can be successful, with time and patience.

No matter how much better I feel I am than some of them, I do applaud each and every radio personality because they're following their dream, and acheiving what I cannot (and many veterans at this time as well) do right now: get on the air.

This, seriously, has become too much of a "dog eat dog" industry, much more so than it used to be. We'd love to blame the higer ups for the demise of the talent side, which with many cut-backs contributed greatly to the cause. But, so many are protective of their precious careers and opportunities, they rarely reach out a hand to help up and comings acheive their potential. How many stories have I heard from the "senior" members of R-I tell how they got their start by getting a leg up by a broadcasting great in their early careers? How many do we get now? Not even 1/1000th of the stories today. That also contributes to the sad state of affairs radio is in.
 
If you cant take the heat, stay out of the number 8 market in the country. PS, I did stand up comedy on the road for 2 years and was successful at it. I decided that I would rather eat and have a house than travel in a an old van to Iowa to do 20 minutes a night for corn farmers. I have every right to state my opinion that in the first two days these guys are NOT funny.

You dont gain your experience and chemistry on the air in am drive in a top 10 market. Agreed that these two will probably develop some at some point, but now it is PAINFUL radio.
 
Every morning show takes time and chemistry for it to entertain audiences. SL&J have come a long way from day one. Eric, JB, Tim, and the other guy are on show #2 and the same goes for GB.

I slam GB for bad show prep and content. It's a 2 man show and they had 2 months to practice and come up with a lot of content.
O&A say they don't do show prep and they have a 20 man crew of employee and interns to fetch content for them.
I am damn sure clear channel doesn't pay for a huge crew for show prep. Hell, they fired Whip and Chris Williams is doing afternoon drive to pay for guys. So as an "expert," SL&J and Eric, JB, Tim, other guy = good. GB = crap.
 
Deadman is right. The same is true for great TV shows. Some pilot episodes for some of the greatest ensemble comedy shows were not stellar. Watch the first Seinfeld...it was ok, but the chemistry just wasn't there yet.
 
I agree with Nutz - you don't train a morning show in Market 8. Rg's had worked in Rochester and Los Angeles before coming to Atlanta. They had the chemistry already. You think NYC, Chicago, and Los Angeles train on the job? No way!

Radio in Atlanta is a joke. I don't need to be a radio professional to know that!
 
The only problem is that companies like Clear Channel and Cumulus have effectively eradicated the "minor leagues" of radio by putting nothing but syndication on all the small market stations. As a result, there aren't many markets for shows to "train" anymore. You could see this coming - and many did.
 
Nutznorm said:
If you cant take the heat, stay out of the number 8 market in the country. PS, I did stand up comedy on the road for 2 years and was successful at it. I decided that I would rather eat and have a house than travel in a an old van to Iowa to do 20 minutes a night for corn farmers. I have every right to state my opinion that in the first two days these guys are NOT funny.

You dont gain your experience and chemistry on the air in am drive in a top 10 market. Agreed that these two will probably develop some at some point, but now it is PAINFUL radio.
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Must not have been too successful at it - if you were driving in an "old van" and playing in front of corn farmers.
It's pretty funny reading a failed club comic's bitterness & jealousy pour out of his heart.
Why didn't they hire YOU? Youre a successful comic right? You want a steady gig in one place?
This funny deadman could've been the voice of morning radio in Atl. Why are we not listening to you?


I did not like the first Giant Show until I forced myself to give them a shot. Im not in radio or a failed comic or an out of work DJ so Im not going to "diss / hate" until I have a reason. I am warming up to these guys. Could do without the cruddy music & sports talk but I doubt that has anything to do with Shaffee or the Giant.
 
OgOgglby said:
The same is true for great TV shows. Some pilot episodes for some of the greatest ensemble comedy shows were not stellar. Watch the first Seinfeld...it was ok, but the chemistry just wasn't there yet.
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Neither was Elaine...
 
Thought from an old fart (at 43): Don't know whether GB & friend will get any better, but hasn't Project geared itself toward the 14-yr-old skaterpunk crowd? If so, why does the morning show sound so laid back and, God forbid, NPR-ish (tone-wise at least)? I've listened to parts of the show for three days now, and Brian always sounds like he just swallowed half a bottle of Nyquil. Seems like Project would want a morning show heavy on attitude and ENERGY (to match their playlist), but I don't hear any of that now--nor does it sound like the boys are headed in that direction.

I could be wrong, but hey--I'm just an old fart. What do I know?
 
If people either worry about the criticism from message boards or from emailers in this business, they are NOT cut out for it.
Atlanta is the major leagues. You don't get time to develop into something. You can do that in small markets and then try to work your way up.
Let's just make this a cheerleading board! Everyone is great! The shows will be fun a year from now!
Ridiculous.
I read many positive comments about shows, hosts, stations.
If someone is so thin skinned they don't want to hear feedback and opinions, they need to go elsewhere.
 
"Must not have been too successful at it - if you were driving in an "old van" and playing in front of corn farmers.
It's pretty funny reading a failed club comic's bitterness & jealousy pour out of his heart.
Why didn't they hire YOU? Youre a successful comic right? You want a steady gig in one place?
This funny deadman could've been the voice of morning radio in Atl. Why are we not listening to you?"


You must have missed the joke. I never drove an "Old Van." I did play in Iowa, and PA, and NY, and Ohio, and Indiana, and Canada, and have TV appearances as well. You are not listening to me because I chose to work in media on the agency side and spend a ton of money on radio and TV in markets all over the country. To be honest, I should have went after something like this a long time ago but chose a stable living instead. I am not bitter in the least. I still write and may some day get back on stage again for fun. So shoot me for not wanting to have to move every three to five years and wanting to know that my check was always going to be in my account on pay day. Let me know when your 3 minutes airs on national cable and we will talk. Until then pipe down Francis.




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Merlin Berlin said:
Let's see, Sean Demery comes back and barely makes it through the first show before he gets slammed. Eric and Jimmy put together a podcast just to see what kind of chemistry they might have and immediately get ripped. The Project finally debuts their new show and as expected after day one are labeled as failures by the "PD's" here. (Please feel free to insert your favorite example here) If you effing geniuses think it's that easy and obviously can do better, you have a computer, a decent mic can be had for a couple hundred bucks, download 30 or 40 songs, write some material, and have at it! Create your own little podcast and post a link. I'd love to see what some of you come up with. Keeping in mind that the folks that do it for a living have to do it 5 days a week. Most of you would be hard pressed to create something that would maybe make a decent 10 or 15 minute segment.
You know it's not so much the criticism that gets posted here. I think it's great that we have some real talent that can offer some legitimate viewpoints. I just kills me that we have people that post some of the stuff they do. Hey it's relatively free country. Say what you want. I'd like to see some folks grab their man sacks (or joy buzzers, whatever the case may be) and back-up their opinions with some actual substance.
**stepping down off of soapbox being carefull not to step in the piles of excrement**
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The only thing I’m an expert on is my personal preferences. This board is all about opinions, rumors, and such so take the posts for what they’re worth.

Some of the slams are over the top or motivated by personal vendettas, but those posts are usually pretty obvious. If I had the talent to be a radio personality I might appreciate some honest feedback from listeners who care enough about the business to hang around radio-info.
 
Yep, it's pretty obvious that the "experts" on this board have never even been in a radio station, much less on the air.
It's also obvious to spot the ones that have. Refreshing to see an intelligent post when we can.

Radio 101: No radio show should ever be critiqued until that person or those persons have been on the air at a station for a few weeks. It takes awhile to settle in, no matter how experienced the person is. Even the annoying Rodney Ho would have to agree.
 
I guess I flunked Radio 101, but I don't agree with you.

When you're on the radio, you're in the public eye...or public ear. It's no different from being in the movies or on TV. You want the adoration of fans, but you won't accept criticism.

I saw Russell Crowe in a movie. From your way of thinking, if Roger Ebert wrote an unfavorable critique of Crowe, then Crowe should say to Ebert, "What movie have you been in?" or "You can't critique me unless you've been in at least 1 movie." That's what you're saying and the kind of things we see on Radio-Info from radio people from time to time.

You can't have it both ways.
 
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