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Art Bell on KABC790

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A desperate station can't seem to get it together n never will. KABC use to have coast to coast until bush v gore and red eye radio with Doug McIntyre hit the airwaves.
 
You might be right I am just sayin during that whole ordeal in 2000 red eye radio was born but you absolutely maybe right no correlation just a coincidence.
 
I agree with gr8oldies.

We get far too much off-topic posting from certain people on this board, and it muddles the discussion.

Posting just for the sake of posting isn't really great netiquette.
 
It seems Bell is picking up more affiliates than first imagined. But originally he told radio stations that they'd have to turn off their internet streaming audio feed because he only wants streaming audio on his own website. I wonder if he's sticking to that? Does KABC steam his show? I doubt too many stations want to turn off their streaming audio for three hours every evening.
 
I can't imagine why he wouldn't want affiliates to stream the show. It's free on his website and TuneIn. It would seem the more streams the more listeners he'd get. Savage makes a big deal about his streaming numbers which I believe come mostly, if not entirely, from affiliate's streams.

That said, Bell's streaming service, Dark Matter says the show streams from 9 to 12 Pacific (12 to 3 Eastern) yet last night I checked the stream between midnight and 1 am EST and found another program.
 
wadio said:
I can't imagine why he wouldn't want affiliates to stream the show. It's free on his website and TuneIn. It would seem the more streams the more listeners he'd get. Savage makes a big deal about his streaming numbers which I believe come mostly, if not entirely, from affiliate's streams.
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That's because Art is able to account for listeners directly to his stream through simple analytics, which is potentially good for future ad sales opportunities. Allowing radio stations to also stream his show dilutes the listening data away from his stream.
 
Kelly A said:
That's because Art is able to account for listeners directly to his stream through simple analytics, which is potentially good for future ad sales opportunities. Allowing radio stations to also stream his show dilutes the listening data away from his stream.
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Which indicates to me that he is NOT getting the listeners he thought he might be getting by streaming his show. He may be offering it up to stations in an effort to increase his listening base and thereby increasing his revenue stream and also to drive listeners to his stream.
 
Art had his Affiliate streaming Rules in place long before his new program went on the air.

He was one of the very first to stream. Back in the 90's he began streaming his (Coast To Coast) program.
Early on, he used low bit rate Real Audio format.
 
Kelly A said:
That's because Art is able to account for listeners directly to his stream through simple analytics, which is potentially good for future ad sales opportunities.
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A good ranking on Talk Stream Live gets attention -- ask Michael Savage who makes much of his #1 position there. I'm sure advertisers notice. Talk Stream Live doesn't do their own streaming but instead shunts listeners to other streams. Art Bell's listing takes listeners to his site, other listings are linked to terrestrial radio affiliates. What's the difference? A listener is a listener.

Allowing radio stations to also stream his show dilutes the listening data away from his stream.
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So why is that a problem? The affiliate streams are free, Art's live stream is free. A listener is a listener.
 
wadio said:
A Art Bell's listing takes listeners to his site, other listings are linked to terrestrial radio affiliates. What's the difference? A listener is a listener.

It's not sold the same as OTA radio, because some ad agencies will only accept listening numbers/analytic data and unique visitors to your website. This is especially true for banner or other site-related advertising. If you can drive numbers specifically to your site, you stand a much better chance of using that data as an opportunity to sell based on visits or TSL on your site. Obtaining analytic data from other radio station sites mean you may not be able to get the listening or unique visitor data because they control it. Now when Nielsen increases PPM for streams and assuming Art wants to pay for inclusion, then it would matter less. That being said, you still could lose out on advertising tied directly with the Art Bell web page. I sure wouldn't want to go PPM only because it leaves too much potential revenue on the table.

So why is that a problem? The affiliate streams are free, Art's live stream is free. A listener is a listener.
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It's not sold the same as OTA radio, because some ad agencies will only accept listening numbers/analytic data and unique visitors to your website. This is especially true for banner or other site-related advertising. If you can drive numbers specifically to your site, you stand a much better chance of using that data as an opportunity to sell based on visits or TSL on your site. Obtaining analytic data from other radio station sites mean you may not be able to get the listening or unique visitor data because they control it. Now when Nielsen increases PPM for streams and assuming Art wants to pay for inclusion, then it would matter less. That being said, you still could lose out on advertising tied directly with the Art Bell web page. I sure wouldn't want to go PPM only because it leaves too much potential revenue on the table.
 
K.M. Richards said:
We get far too much off-topic posting from certain people on this board, and it muddles the discussion.

Posting just for the sake of posting isn't really great netiquette.
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This from the guy with "5700 + posts," mostly just scolding other board participants. Quite the netiquette expert.

KM qualifies himself as arbiter of this board by referring to himself as a "Programming Consultant" in market number 2. Well, OK, maybe he is deserving of a little respect and one should overlook his snarky, holier-than-thou comments and defer to his vast knowledge and experience in radio. So, I clicked on his link and checked out his site (mostly filled with 404 errors on the various links) and discovered that he has created an 80s format that is airing on 94.5 KRKE, Albuquerque, NM. Only problem, there IS NO 94.5 KRKE, Albuquerque. http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/locate?select=city&city=Albuquerque&state=NM

I will stop short of calling him a fake or a fraud, but I have serious doubts over his qualifications to lecture anyone on this board about anything. I am curious to hear what other stations (terrestrial) his format is running on. It would also be nice to learn what stations he HAS worked at, in what role, and in which markets and when. I personally don't see where his condescending attitude and mean-spirited retorts further any conversation he injects himself into. In my opinion, he is the consummate muddler of discussions.

But hey, draw your own conclusions, but do it quickly before he runs to the moderator and has this post stricken from the board.

Have a great day.
 
robnokshus06 said:
KM qualifies himself as arbiter of this board by referring to himself as a "Programming Consultant" in market number 2. Well, OK, maybe he is deserving of a little respect and one should overlook his snarky, holier-than-thou comments and defer to his vast knowledge and experience in radio. So, I clicked on his link and checked out his site (mostly filled with 404 errors on the various links) and discovered that he has created an 80s format that is airing on 94.5 KRKE, Albuquerque, NM. Only problem, there IS NO 94.5 KRKE, Albuquerque. http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/locate?select=city&city=Albuquerque&state=NM .
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You did not look very hard. "KRKE" is a translator with an associated origination... K233CG .

KM has programmed, been OM and jocked in a bunch of significant facilities from Santa Barbara to LA. He is also the co-producer of the best website on the history of UHF TV on the web.

Using radio-locator as a definitive source for data or coverage is disingenuous.


And in any case, KM's point about KABC being a bit of a turkey is on target. With a weak signal that is about to get weaker, and ratings that show nothing to the left of the decimal point, whatever they do is unlikely to move the needle.
 
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Rob, it is fairly well known to anyone who has been here a while that you have some dislike for me. I'm not sure what it is that caused that, but your post was riddled with inaccuracies and essentially constitutes an ad hominem attack on me, which is a violation of the RD TOS. I'm not going to report it, because I want everyone to see what kind of person you are.

That said ... David already called you out on your shallow "research" to "prove" KRKE doesn't exist at 94.5 in ABQ. Fact of the matter is that we are off the air at the moment due to circumstances with the mom and pop owners that is forcing the sale of same, but "pop" is going to work elsewhere in the market and has already obtained a tentative agreement for us to come back on a stronger signal after the first of the year.

The only 404 errors on my site are to external sites (and I will try to find updated links for those). Do you honestly expect me to be responsible for sites other than my own maintaining their URLs?

I may not be the biggest, most well-known consultant in the business. But I am one, and KRKE's owners (among others) will tell you I'm damned good at programming. And I've been in this business for over 40 years now.

You don't want to respect me? Fine. It's your right to have your own opinion of me. But don't post things that can get you banned by Frank. He has an even lower tolerance level for that kind of crap than I do.
 
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