You might feel entirely different should you have kids.
And that 'snowflake' label is very overused....and inappropriate.
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You might feel entirely different should you have kids.
And that 'snowflake' label is very overused....and inappropriate.
This just in: The 2020 Halftime show is the most-watched halftime of all time:
http://www.justjared.com/2020/02/05...-show-2020-is-most-watched-haltime-show-ever/
Not because of broadcast TV, but because of YouTube. So even if you censor TV, kids can watch on YouTube.
http://www.justjared.com/2020/02/05...-show-2020-is-most-watched-haltime-show-ever/
Not because of broadcast TV, but because of YouTube. So even if you censor TV, kids can watch on YouTube.
Small mics have improved the same way that small speakers have. A lot of that technology comes out of cellular phones which are now full media centers.
The naysayers will simply assert that users of phones for music listening have a lower... or no... standard. But the fact is that the devices sound very very good.
I have kids. Many friends and family have kids and grandkids.
Number who had expressed any problem with said kids watching the show: zero. Mix of every persuasion—conservative, liberal, several generations. Multiple faiths and none at all.
Snowflakes is suitable in certain cases.
But remember, we are not discussing the exploitation of teens here but rather that of younger children who should be able to expect a certain level of consideration when watching TV which is generally thought to be acceptable for them.
You think little kids don't watch YouTube? They do. This is one of the most popular shows on TV:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChGJGhZ9SOOHvBB0Y4DOO_w
And once again, we're discussing your personal taste here, not anything that's "unacceptable."
"Consideration" doesn't mean adhering to whatever you happen to deem should or shouldn't be seen.
I am raising a "little kid". I know exactly what they watch.
There are parents that could give a crap what their kids watch and there are others who think some Youtube content is OK. We're not talking about those. We are talking about 'family' entertainment sports show that slap a Las Vegas skin show on your big screen. Whole 'nother subject Hoss.
And, once again, we are NOT talking about my personal tastes. We are talking about unacceptable content that was shown, without warning, to an audience of kids.
What do you mean "without warning?" They've been promoting this for weeks and throughout the game. You knew exactly who would be on the show and it would not be Sesame Street. Did those kids like Jennifer Lopez? Everyone knows what she does. She's a 50 year old mother of 2 and her 12 year old daughter took part in the show. If it was OK for her daughter, then it's OK for other kids. There was absolutely nothing unacceptable about it. Except you've created some alternate morality. That's your business, so put the kids to bed.
Look we all know you hate modern music and you hate the super bowl. You've been talking about this for years. For some reason, you claim to have watched the game, even though we know you hate it. So now you're inventing some morality about protecting the kids to justify your views about the super bowl and modern music. If you don't like something, don't watch it, but don't use kids as a crutch to justify your opinions.
You are splitting hairs. Yes, the halftime show was advertised. No, it was not properly advertised. I knew there would be two singers and some sort of stage show. I did not know there would be a sleazy booty shake. And don't try to defend it with "everybody knows what she does" or telling me she permits her 12-year old daughter takes part in it. Those are not positive statements. And there are a hell of a lot of us who share my opinion. It was unacceptable. Period!
Sorry I confused you about my Stupor Bowl opinions. That game is generally not very good football and that is what I've said about it. The half time shows have largely been junk but they haven't been offensive. This year they were very offensive to large part of the viewing audience and if you don't at least recognize that much you still live in the Stone Age. In case you need to be reminded, this nation has an ongoing effort to try to raise women's images beyond that of sex objects. This show could have been done with taste and class. It wasn't. What it was, was one giant step backward.
The NFL and the Fox network both deserve all the criticism they are receiving.
What are you talking about? Maybe you forget Janet Jackson's exposed nipple. THAT was offensive. Nothing like that happened here. Not even close. The only people offended are evangelicals like Billy Graham's son and similar religious folks who are offended at anything that's not religious music. You're not a right wing evangelical. You just don't like modern music, and you're using fake morality to justify your dislike of music. Once again, that's YOUR problem. Don't force us to live under your rules. Just shut the TV off.
Wait until they go to school or a friends house. You might be able to control it now, but not forever.
That's what I don't get about the "we MUST protect the children" crowd. You can't keep them in bubble wrap until adulthood. At some point before then they'll learn about stuff a lot worse than a suggestive dance routine. What difference does it make when that point arrives?
What has always been applied to broadcast TV (the only aspect regulated by the FCC) has been "community standards".
If we go back to the 50's and 60's, we see that "community standards" criteria could be applied differently in big cities or small towns... in different regions of the nation... even (although this may be debatable) among different cultural groups.
Today's standards are different than those prior to the Viet Nam war, and the post-war standards are different than those that came out of 80's movies and the rapid expansion of television. And the Internet brought another change in what is acceptable, as did the development of rap and hip-hop.
I don't necessarily adopt each of the changed codes of decency in my personal life, but I would be a bitter "get off of my lawn" person if I did not accept that large groups of people have changed and different standards. Those who defend these changes always fall back on arguments against censorship and for freedom of expression.
There are moments when I think things are taken a bit too far. A few years ago, my grandchildren from Ecuador were in LA and they saw a bumper sticker that had the "F" word in it in reference to something political (Hey, it's California!). It took a while to explain the meaning of the sticker overall, and then to explain why some people thought it was OK to display such a sticker even though I did not agree.
These are aspects of the cost of being among the world's most free-expression nations. You are free to have 1940's standards, and I am free to accept much of contemporary standards.
And in any event, the halftime show has been almost uniformly reviewed by entertainment writers and critics as "perhaps the best of the last decade and maybe since the turn of the century..." (I paraphrase the many reviews I have read).
The negative critics of the show are about as numerous as those who denigrate the football sport due to the brain injuries and violent aspects. In other words, "minimal".
When I was 13, I began part-time work at a Cleveland AM and FM radio station, mostly cleaning the john and filing records and running for coffee, graduating to board op a bit later.
The stations were r&b and jazz. After the sales office moved downtown, I was the "token white" guy, and the staff enjoyed introducing me to their culture. This involved things like taking me to jazz clubs where "adult behavior" of couples was common. I was not destroyed mentally. I just saw a new aspect of life that differentiated between adults and young teens. On the other hand, I realized that folks of different races were pretty much the same and that was a very positive influence on my life, allowing me to enjoy and be part of many different cultures.
I describe this early experience because it made me a better person with a more open mind, just as learning a number of other languages gave me perspective on other cultures as well.
So now, before I conclude that something is good or evil, I look at it through all the different lenses I have learned to wear in my life. The last 60 years would have been pretty boring had I not done that.
What people may not know is that since the incident in 2004, the halftime show has been very carefully controlled by the NFL. Before 2004, the halftime show was managed by broadcasters, and the Janet Jackson show was produced by MTV. After that, the NFL took over production, and the presentation is covered by a contract. In 2012, for example, one of the performers gave a middle-finger salute during the show, and he was fined over a $1 million for breaching the NFL's contract. There are a lot of people involved in the Super Bowl halftime show, a lot of approvals, and a lot of oversight. That doesn't prevent a handful of people from complaining, but their objections are personal and individual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVIII_halftime_show_controversy
And, as I said previously, Shakira's dancing is a pop adaptation of middle eastern dancing (her father was Lebanese). And J-lo's influence was urban music and styles from her native New York upbringing (she had to be taught Spanish to do her first movie!).
So the two of them represent multiple "worlds" of culture. To me, that's a perfect match for a nation that has always been made up of waves of immigrants from different nations and cultures... French, Dutch, English, Spanish, Irish, German, Italian, Middle European, Asian, Latin American and, of course refugees such as the Jews and other persecuted groups from Europe in the 30's and 40's.
We are approaching 50 million Hispanics in the US, and their cultures* have a very broad influence on our nation... from food to music to art.
And, of course, much of the US was Hispanic first... from California to Texas plus Florida and Puerto Rico..
* Latin American culture is not a single one, but many. As one pundit once said, "20 nations divided by a single language".
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I didn't bring that up because I just knew you would. The fact is that it happened so fast I really doubt that, had it not been filmed, no one would have noticed. At any rate I really doubt it was a planned feature of the show. The network would have never signed off on it. And neither should have Fox. It was seedy, lewd and way beyond accepted boundaries of family fare.
That is patently untrue. There have been many people who felt that show was a disgusting display of soft porn. I'm no prude. I am also not even close to a religious person. However, I am a father and grandfather who is attempting to raise my daughter to acceptable social norms and that was a cheap, trashy display and did nothing to raise the status of women in the world. I don't want my granddaughter growing up believing that is normal or even acceptable. You can have performances that are not demeaning and vulgar. We should not settle for less. There are plenty of places for you to go drool over a sticky bar stool should you prefer.
Everyone here already knows how I feel about modern music (along with many others) however I did not mention the music. My sole criticism was the simulated sex on stage and I went to great lengths to explain my reasons. IMHO, one of the major reasons this nation is not holding to its historical highs is crap like this being called 'normal'. My greatest hope is that one day you will run into a woman who explains it to you.
It may surprise the hell out of you to learn that I don't follow Shikira or J-Lo. And it still does not excuse the soft porn show (although the fact that it was on the bottom feeder network should have been warning enough I suppose).
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