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Superbowl (so far)

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DavidEduardo said:
She is a top-10 of all time seller in the US as well as all of Latin America and much of Europe.
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The most meaningless statistic in all the music industry. Of course she is a best seller and eclipses Streisand. There are now more than 4 billion more people in the world than in the 1970's during Streisand's prime time. As time goes on, and assuming the coronavirus doesn't kill us all, this statistic will become more true. To be accurate you would have to know the total potential buyers/streamers population and the percentage of those who actually bought/streamed. But even that would not be totally accurate because streaming didn't exist in the 1970's and buying an album required much more resource than paying for as little as 1 song streamed.

I can't comment too much on either Shakira or J-Lo since I don't like either one but consider there are perhaps a million people in the world who have that level of talent. It is very common.

In any event, we are not talking about the girl's singing. The volume almost disappeared completely on my feed and I didn't bother turning it up. I am discussing the blatant display of a Vegas-type show which should not have been displayed at this event and especially when children would be watching. You wonder where morals went? Right down the Super Bowl crapper!

Keep the event about football and send the sweaty old geezers downtown for their jollies.
 
The Super Bowl ceased being about “just football” a long time ago.

I have no question about where morals went because they haven’t gone anywhere. And no dance routines have caused or will cause them to.

The adults using “the children” as a shield for puritanical attitudes at best...and something altogether different at worst, might be well served to check their remotes for the off button. Most, I’m told, have them.
 
landtuna said:
I am discussing the blatant display of a Vegas-type show which should not have been displayed at this event and especially when children would be watching. You wonder where morals went?
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The clothing was no different and no more sensual than the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. And really, the Vegas showgirl thing has been used in network TV shows for years, as well as the various Rose Bowl and Thanksgiving Day parades. You want to file a complaint with the FCC? The address is www.fcc.gov
 
TheBigA said:
The clothing was no different and no more sensual than the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. And really, the Vegas showgirl thing has been used in network TV shows for years, as well as the various Rose Bowl and Thanksgiving Day parades. You want to file a complaint with the FCC? The address is www.fcc.gov
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I beg to differ; the clothing WAS different and so were the movements. I don't ever remember "movers and shakers" like these in any parade.

I'm not going to bother the eunuchs at the FCC. I'll just hit the 'off' switch. I usually don't watch the debacle of the Stupor Bowl anyway. This year was an exception since my old favorite team was playing. But, like so many other pro games, it was boring and half time was offensive. My bad.
 
What I find interesting in my admittedly non-scientific survey is how reaction to the
halftime show amongst my acquaintances breaks down along gender lines.

Most of the men don't seem to have a problem with it.
But the majority of women rail against it as a piece of sleazy porn.
 
AbrahamJSimpson said:
It would seem there is a different dynamic here.
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On one hand, you have Shakira and J-Lo being praised as strong, independent women. On the other hand, you have lyrics of the "do me, baby, that's right, oh yeah, that feels so good" variety that present them as willing, even enthusiastic, sex objects. But if no one is forcing them to sing that sort of material, then I guess it's still possible to buy into the "strong and independent" bit.
 
FreddyE1977 said:
What I find interesting in my admittedly non-scientific survey is how reaction to the
halftime show amongst my acquaintances breaks down along gender lines.

Most of the men don't seem to have a problem with it.
But the majority of women rail against it as a piece of sleazy porn.
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That seems about right. I don't have a problem with it either except it disgraces women and damages children. This kind of junk should be relegated to very late night TV and not shown at all on what is generally accepted as family friendly TV. The V-chip can't help with this.
 
DavidEduardo said:
She did not lip sync as far as I could tell. I have seen her many times in concert since 1995; she is absolutely amazingly skilled.
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Shakira fake sang over studio vocal track pretty much her entire performance. J-Lo did much better job at concealing her faking.
Oh and I think I saw J-Lo's next baby.
 
Anton P said:
Shakira fake sang over studio vocal track pretty much her entire performance. J-Lo did much better job at concealing her faking.
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I've done a lot of stadium music events, and the worst are the ones where the stage is in the middle of the venue. One has to do considerable work to avoid both echo and feedback. The result is what looks like a small difference of synchronization between lip movements and the sound.

Obviously, the audio fed to electronic media is not delayed as much as that fed to the stadium speakers, but it has to also be delayed a bit because of the way the stage monitors are done to overcome the stadium speakers so as not to confuse the artists.

The result (and it is a bit more complicated than this explanation) is that all audio, even media feeds, is a tiny big off from the visual lip movements.

People in the stadium do not see this unless they use binoculars. But TV viewers can, with full attention, see it.

Ask anyone who has done outdoor sports arena sound about it.

While anything is possible, I've attended Shakira concerts over the last 25 years and don't believe I ever heard her lip syncing to recorded audio. A friend was at the concert she did with Carlos Vives in the Colombian jungle to celebrate the truce with the guerilla groups; the installation was primitive and you could tell everything was totally live and she sang "just as good as on the studio recordings" according to my friend, a PD of a major station.
 
DavidEduardo said:
...The result is what looks like a small difference of synchronization between lip movements and the sound...
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That's not what you have to listen for to tell when they are live or tracked. Live mics in the middle of venue will pick up a ton of reverb, true. But their voices will not sound so clean and perfect as heard on TV broadcast. Watch Shakira's mic placement drift all over while she runs around dancing, while her voice sounds perfect. Then catch the times when they do pot up their mics for crowd shot outs, notice how much worse their audio is then. It takes some ear training to easily tell them apart.
 
Anton P said:
That's not what you have to listen for to tell when they are live or tracked. Live mics in the middle of venue will pick up a ton of reverb, true. But their voices will not sound so clean and perfect as heard on TV broadcast. Watch Shakira's mic placement drift all over while she runs around dancing, while her voice sounds perfect. Then catch the times when they do pot up their mics for crowd shot outs, notice how much worse their audio is then. It takes some ear training to easily tell them apart.
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That is done in part, but can only be done when the singer's live performance does not need any type of tone correction and where the singer is so perfectly synchronized that there is no difference. Also, sometimes the "mike" they have in their hand is a fake and they have some type of facial mike that is very close in to avoid crowd noise. The "fake mike" is done to make it look real to the audience.

The point is that the best singers are doing the vocals live, but they may or may not be synchronized with recorded aspects of the audio.

Several of the Shakira songs were very differently done, particularly in tempo and orchestration, than the originals. The medley had never been done before, particularly the part with Bad Bunny which was original to the Super Bowl. The performance looked live to me, and I've been doing major live shows since about 1966.
 
FreddyE1977 said:
What an excellent, excellent point! What was the point in passing a law and in forcing
electronics manufacturers into installing that chip if you are going to slip this type of
content into an unrated live program?
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The Super Bowl is a rated program. And there was nothing in the halftime show that couldn't air in Ellen or AGT or any other network show.

No exposed skin, no body parts touched, nothing sexual at all, and the language was clean.
 
Anton P said:
They were not wearing any other mics. Check out their face close ups. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pILCn6VO_RU
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I'll ask Shakira's manager how it was done. The mikes today can be disguised as buttons, earrings and all kinds of other things, or integrated into clothing. The stuff you see about hidden mikes in detective and spy shows barely scrapes the surface. The biggest part of a mike today is its battery, and that can be elsewhere on the body, using wires disguised as threads.
 
DavidEduardo said:
I'll ask Shakira's manager how it was done. The mikes today can be disguised as buttons, earrings and all kinds of other things, or integrated into clothing. The stuff you see about hidden mikes in detective and spy shows barely scrapes the surface. The biggest part of a mike today is its battery, and that can be elsewhere on the body, using wires disguised as threads.
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How much dynamic range can you get out of a small mic. There is a reason they use vocal mics. If it sounds just like the studio recording in a big stadium I doubt they used a pin mic.
 
TheBigA said:
The Super Bowl is a rated program. And there was nothing in the halftime show that couldn't air in Ellen or AGT or any other network show.

No exposed skin, no body parts touched, nothing sexual at all, and the language was clean.
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4 out of 5 parents of young children in my informal survey disagree with you.
A lot of people who watched with their kids were very uncomfortable.
 
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