50kw1510 WLAC has 2.4 in Jan '21
But, most stations up there are low powered, 5kw or less.
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
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Another Station Likely to Leave the Air Soon
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But, most stations up there are low powered, 5kw or less.
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
I would suggest a big chunk of that audience comes from their 98.3 translator.
Because if you check back a few years before adding the translator, that station was getting a 1 share.
I’m not sure most of the audience is on 98.3 at this point, but FM is clearly what they are pushing. 98.3 is huge and center in the brand and marketing and 1510 is a tiny afterthought. On air it is a little less imbalanced, but 98.3 is still primary.
An article in InsideRadio indicates there is still a possibility the F.C.C. will accept the proposal from a coalition of low power TV stations on channel 6 (87.75 FM) to broadcast a supplementary analog audio signal, in addition to the primary digital TV transmission. As previously mentioned, this could make it possible for the radio broadcasts on that frequency to continue.
If the broadcasters' claims are true that the supplementary analog audio signal wouldn't cause interference, I don't see any down side to the F.C.C. going along with it.
Insideradio: EMF Pushes FCC To Allow ‘Franken FMs’ To Live Past July Sign-Off Date.
If the broadcasters' claims are true that the supplementary analog audio signal wouldn't cause interference, I don't see any down side to the F.C.C. going along with it.
Insideradio: EMF Pushes FCC To Allow ‘Franken FMs’ To Live Past July Sign-Off Date.
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(Barry, you should have posted to the FrankenFM thread that has turned into an OTA TV reception clinic)
Well, if we're going to get creative, then why not throw this proposal on the fire:
1. Operators of LPTVs on channel 6 can choose between having an equivalent powered FM on 87.7 MHz or operating a digital LPTV. You don't get both. (and truth be told, they don't want both.)
2. No new TV operations on channel 6.
3. 87.7 and 87.9 are opened up elsewhere for new radio applications.
The phrase "on the fire" is intentional. by the way. Here's why FrankenFMs won't happen: if they are allowed, then the clamor to open up 87.7 and 87.9 as above would start for certain. That's either a downside or an opportunity, depending on what side of the industry you're on.
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Joylovepulse967
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Yep, me too but real WNYZ live www.pulse87ny.com
What if there's enough bandwidth for both?
There is enough bandwidth for both...but if that's allowed, then that other 87.7/87.9 argument gets an opening.
Here's a story on that from July 2020:
Franken FMs Embrace Plan B To Remain On The Radio Dial.
Every day is a step closer to July 13, 2021 – the date that so-called Franken FMs must go off the air. But the companies that own low-power television stations
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kenglish
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Would they really even care to program anything on the DTV channel? Putting an FM analog in the midst of a digital channel would just make the digital impossible to tune in for most people. The digital signal would also raise the noise floor, hurting the FM reception.
About the only way to do it at all, would be to keep the digital horizontally polarized, and broadcast the FM as vertical.
Of course, that might open up the entire FM band to three more DTV stations.
About the only way to do it at all, would be to keep the digital horizontally polarized, and broadcast the FM as vertical.
Of course, that might open up the entire FM band to three more DTV stations.
After the analog TV shutdown, Japan expanded their FM band by 5 MHz, under the moniker "Wide FM". Previously it was 76 - 90 MHz, with analog VHF TV channels occupying the 90 - 108 MHz portion used for FM radio in the rest of the world. Now Japan has expanded their FM band to 76 to 95 MHz, with the 90 - 95 MHz "Wide FM" portion reserved for AM stations moving to FM. (They also plan to shut down all AM stations and move them to FM.)
But this was made a lot easier by many FM radios in Japan already covering the entire 76 - 108 MHz range, for the export market and for domestic analog TV audio reception when it was in use. But in the U.S., only a tiny fraction of radios can tune outside of our normal 88 - 108 range. Many digital tuners only go down to 87.9 MHz, thus they can't even receive the existing "Franken FMs" -- except for the ones who illegally moved their audio carrier up to 87.9.
But this was made a lot easier by many FM radios in Japan already covering the entire 76 - 108 MHz range, for the export market and for domestic analog TV audio reception when it was in use. But in the U.S., only a tiny fraction of radios can tune outside of our normal 88 - 108 range. Many digital tuners only go down to 87.9 MHz, thus they can't even receive the existing "Franken FMs" -- except for the ones who illegally moved their audio carrier up to 87.9.
That FM has less than a 60 dbu signal in a lot of the market. It's pretty far out of Sacramento.
I'd say 93.1 outperforms the signal contour from the FCC and online sites. Because of it's location, the signal in the valley is a lot better than you might expect, with basically all of Sacramento proper (and much of the suburban areas) getting 70 dBu or better (if you look at a Longley-Rice map you'll see what i mean). 93.1 does struggle in some outer areas such as Rocklin do to the topography with shadowing and such. You are completely correct that the transmitter is way outside of town. I would imagine in inclement weather that would be a real bear of a site to get to. One thing i haven't heard for myself is how the lpfm on 93.3 might cause reception issues for those near downtown.
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The reception of WNYZ 87.75 is actually stronger than many other low powered/class D FM stations around especially in the city, even recieved up to where Stamford/Darien away from the shores on the Merritt Parkway and at some point at East Haven, CT due to the sound, even dxing the station is wild 80 miles away. Well, gotta deal with the fact that it will shut down sooner or later... But then again, many people might not know or even care for some stations on certain frequencies especially in this daying age where streaming is effortless but for me, true over the air stations is how I discovered varieties of stations in this region.
Looks like NPR's KQED (88.5, I think) gets 10 of those 12.
In Seattle I don't think the below-92 MHz section adds up to around 8 percent. Take away NPR and it's more like 5 percent. Respectable, I suppose, but it's a big chunk of spectrum that has low listenership.
I have been aware of many DSP chips capabilities. My Sangean PR-D14 tunes as low as 66 Mhz. I have another DSP chip radio, a Grundig, that also tunes that low (OIRT 66-74 Mhz East European FM band). But I wondered if car radios, with such chips, also had such capabilities, or are they merely a chip function that is not accessed via the interface.
Seems to be a possibility WNYZ and other radio-type stations on 87.7 FM could continue, at least for awhile, broadcasting analog audio, along with digital TV signals.
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I do know that late model Ford radios can currently be adjusted via the FORSCAN application with various Tuner Regions (Tuner Region: 0=NA (North America), 1=GCC, 2=Japan, 3=Europe, 4=Asia Pacific).
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