Even if it’s sustaining the existing listenship and potentially eventually sinks, if that total sinking is 10 years away that’s almost forever in corporate profits when the market is concerned about daily stock prices and quarterly earnings reports.
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Alt 92.3 to Become WINS Simulcast
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WNEW now has the Hot AC audience all to themselves since WPLJ went away, thus strengthening their position.
First off, why would you *want* them to buy another station?
That is not true. The PPM is a panel study, and it tries very closely to always mirror age distribution, gender proportions, ethnicity and language usage, education and income and geographic distribution in the metro. It's a miniature version of the market that has all the full market characteristics.
The samples range from about 1000 in the smallest PPM market to nearly 5000 in the largest. That is vastly larger than the political surveys that try to predict the whole country with 1000 to 1200 samples.
The diary has several defects:
1. Stations that are listened to less are often not written in.
2. Stations that are heard but not selected by the diarykeeper are often not written in.
3. The panel is a random probability sample, and each week it is different with no guarantees of proportionality.
4. It takes four weeks at least to get diary results back and tabulated, which is a long time.
It is a very accurate system and does better than anything used anywhere else in the world.
Nielsen bought Arbitron so they could get the patents Arbitron owned on the system. When the PPM was being developed, Nielsen was part of it... I know as I was on the industry panel of radio and TV representatives who worked with Nielsen and Arbitron right from the beginning. I saw the first working PPM in about 1996, when it was the size of a pack of cigarettes.
You don't understand how the meter, the meter panel and the tabulations work.
Defensive much? I didn’t realize it’s a sensitive subject. don‘t discount what I know. You’d be surprised
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I am hardly defensive. I have been on several panels that pushed Arbitron to change some of its systems.
You started out by miss-stating the panel size. You incorrectly stated the relationship with Nielsen in the development of the PPM and then its purchase of Arbitron to get the patented technology.
You don't see the disadvantages of the diary, which I detailed.
I've worked with stations in nearly 20 countries with different ratings systems. Over the years, I have dealt with about 10 ratings services in just the US, with six services in Puerto Rico, three in Mexico, two in Argentina, three in Ecuador and so on in different countries.
I even wrote the data processing software for one of the ratings companies in Puerto Rico and maintained it for a decade. My résumé is linked below. Now it is your turn to present your bona fides.
what’s your email Mr. David? Will gladly send my resume to you. With my experience, I’m confident I am the guy who could assist you with your radio stations right now. Yes, my passport isn’t as big as yours and my years of service isn’t close to being as long as yours. But, have you sold? Have you climbed a transmitter yourself to a replace a part of a tower? In my latest profession, have you programmed a tv station? Have you covered a Super Bowl, World Series, national championships in all sports and conducted a interview with the president of the United States (and I had the greatest honor of being called by my radio nickname when I interviewed President Trump) , without the help of a photog? Or, some of the top musicians in the world? All of this done under the age of 35? I’m not trying to having a contest. But, you asked me for a resume
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@ Barry :
Do you, or perhaps someone else here, recall if WKMB 1070 in Stirling New Jersey had any ratings or noteworthy success when they were Country?
True; they were only a wee 250-watt daytimer, but iIrc they had a monopoly in the market for the longest while as C&W. And that would've been before Modern Country and translators.
According to Radio-Locator, the facility still exists.
They had some chimes to get licensed omni with KYW 1060 and WHN 1050. Might even have been able for WHN's sticks to be seen from the top of WKMB's.
Do you, or perhaps someone else here, recall if WKMB 1070 in Stirling New Jersey had any ratings or noteworthy success when they were Country?
True; they were only a wee 250-watt daytimer, but iIrc they had a monopoly in the market for the longest while as C&W. And that would've been before Modern Country and translators.
According to Radio-Locator, the facility still exists.
They had some chimes to get licensed omni with KYW 1060 and WHN 1050. Might even have been able for WHN's sticks to be seen from the top of WKMB's.
It's in the link below.
I was, in addition to group management, GSM for a station I took from under $1 million a year to $13 million in 7 years in a top 15 market. I was GSM for my own stations, 13 of them, some years before.
Old-line transmitters tend to be about 7 feet tall. I don't know how you climb one, but I have built a dozen or so transmitters, both AM and FM, from scratch. I have changed lamps on my own towers and once even rode up a 1000' TV tower. Was briefly the Chief Operator for an AM and 4 FMs in LA.
Not for 65 years. I did not like TV, and avoided it ever since.
I've met presidents of six countries, done everything in soccer in this Hemisphere except the World Cup. I don't do interviews or on-air work because I am not as good on the air as the talented people I can hire.
I presented Julio Iglesias first song in all Latin America. I owned a record label, I did dozens and dozens and dozens of concerts. My most famous, El Concierto Mayor, broke all Puerto Rico's attendance records and ticket gross records. I won a Martín Fierro in Argentina (their equivalent of the Oscar) for the first Argentine only rock station.
You said nothing specific. As I said, my year by year specific data with stations and countries is in the link below.
WKMB 1070 am had a deeper playlist than the average Country station. The mom and pop broadcaster had loyal listeners in the small section of the New York metro that could receive its modest signal.@ Barry :
Do you, or perhaps someone else here, recall if WKMB 1070 in Stirling New Jersey had any ratings or noteworthy success when they were Country?
True; they were only a wee 250-watt daytimer, but iIrc they had a monopoly in the market for the longest while as C&W. And that would've been before Modern Country and translators.
According to Radio-Locator, the facility still exists.
They had some chimes to get licensed omni with KYW 1060 and WHN 1050. Might even have been able for WHN's sticks to be seen from the top of WKMB's.
After managing to broadcast Country music for around 23 years (quite a feat in this area!) It was sold about 20 years ago, to a religious broadcaster by the heirs of the original owner. Maybe they figured that it would be difficult for a standalone small daytime only AM station to provide much revenue, among all the clusters owned by major radio corporations.
Very Local Country Station
Is audacy that bad with other formats though?
Wouldn't the entire alt listenership be okay with indie/folk rock and indie pop though? Even if some groups wouldn’t have that as their first choice, it doesn't sound like music like Mumford and sons or animal collective would be a deal-breaker for alt listeners. I would think the group of people who "hates hipsters" would likely pass over alternative anyway.
Technically they share it with KTU.
I like both types of music on alternative personally.
Yes, but doing consensus songs only isn't exactly the way to run things either. It would be like if country stations only played pop country like before he cheats by Carrie underwood or something. It would make for boring radio. They're songs listeners are"okay" with, but don't gravitate towards.
All the songs on country radio are consensus songs. The majority of fans of the format currently like songs by Underwood, Luke Combs, Luke Bryan, Sam Hunt, Jon Pardi, Mitchell Tenpenny and Carly Pierce -- all very different artists stylistically, but all of whom are liked by enough listeners that stations routinely play their current hits for upwards of six months before moving on to the next one. Sure, there are listeners who think country radio should be playing less of one kind of country or more of another kind. But the ratings show that a consensus has been attained, and the format is successful.
Definitely could be. Simply the name "WINS" itself rolls off the tongue and is a strong brand, but no doubt they will be emphasizing the FM frequency.
I had an internship in Morristown in 1992. I can remember there was a lady who listened to WKMB all day. I think it was the last time I regularly heard someone listening to an AM music station in America.
That's a great point. I personally tend to be accidentally ignorant to the corporate side of the buisness, and am thinking of it purely from a perspective of station longevity. I actually enjoy newsradio and will still use Audacy's and iHeart's apps to listen to news radio at times. The majority of my listening is now satellite, for music and programming. Just subscribed last month.
Otherwise, most currents are polarized at least a couple of ways.... one group loves them, one tolerates them and the third group hates them. With a few exceptions for "universal" hits, almost all alternative music of the last 12 to 15 years is that way. The songs with big passion scores are older than that.
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