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It didn’t cause the erosion, it accelerated it for AM.

KCBS added the simulcast because it saw the erosion on AM. The company did the same thing with KNX and WINS. They also heard about it from advertisers. That made it even more imperative. The FM news stations were able to bill more than AM only.

So sure, once you respond to the problem and offer a choice, the listeners take the better sounding choice. Not unlike color TV or HDTV. People can see and hear the difference. But the FM erosion is about linear programming. It's also happening on TV.

This is all just trying to plug holes in the Titanic which as been sinking for a few years and has a few years to go.

Which is why you hear the CEOs talking about digital in every earnings call they do. If you look at the figures, iHeart is very close to where 50% of its revenue is coming from digital. There's still a lot of money coming from broadcast. But the cost of those 850 stations is dragging down any potential profit. Digital is simply more efficient.
 
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KCBS added the simulcast because it saw the erosion on AM. The company did the same thing with KNX and WINS. They also heard about it from advertisers. That made it even more imperative. The FM news stations were able to bill more than AM only.

So sure, once you respond to the problem and offer a choice, the listeners take the better sounding choice. Not unlike color TV or HDTV. People can see and hear the difference. But the FM erosion is about linear programming. It's also happening on TV.



Which is why you hear the CEOs talking about digital in every earnings call they do. If you look at the figures, iHeart is very close to where 50% of its revenue is coming from digital. There's still a lot of money coming from broadcast. But the cost of those 850 stations is dragging down any potential profit. Digital is simply more efficient.
Which is what I do most of my listening to. The only time I listen to terrestrial radio is in the car and then I still like to bluetooth my phone.

We’re saying the same thing you know it’s all gradual sinking. KNX and KCBS needed to add the simulcast which ALSO reduced the need to even go to AM for those who still did. The overall listen went up, but the AM listening probably tanked even further than it would have. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have done it. It was just a byproduct.
 
There's another factor in the acceleration of the AM dial in the Bay Area, the adoption of technology that creates or exacerbates the noise floor on the AM band. There are a lot of technically adept folks who live here, and who solve problems by being early adopters of technological solutions. Problem: ridiculously high PG&E electric rates that would make my friends blush at Con Edison/NYC. Solution: LED's replacing tungsten or halogen everywhere. Problem: two-income couples who needed to each have their own secure network while working from home during and after the pandemic, plus segregated capacity for the kids stuck at home. Solution: multiple personally-owned routers that are subnetted behind a utility co.'s (Comcast, AT&T, Sonic, etc.) own equipment, doubling, tripling or even quadrupling the RFI being generated. Plus multiple DTV's, computers, tablets, and/or dimmer switches, each its own RFI generator. That's not something you're likely to see a lot of in Wichita or Mobile. Solving all these little problems in high-tech world has created this existential one in broadcast-land.
 
That's not something you're likely to see a lot of in Wichita or Mobile. Solving all these little problems in high-tech world has created this existential one in broadcast-land.
So some of the folks in San Francisco work in high tech. Most don't. More, just like those in Mobile and Wichita, work in insurance offices, real estate agencies, the back office at the supermarket, the local branch of a brokerage house and the like.

I'll bet that the average data transfer rates per person or per household are fairly similar in all metro areas,
 
There's another factor in the acceleration of the AM dial in the Bay Area, the adoption of technology that creates or exacerbates the noise floor on the AM band. There are a lot of technically adept folks who live here, and who solve problems by being early adopters of technological solutions. Problem: ridiculously high PG&E electric rates that would make my friends blush at Con Edison/NYC. Solution: LED's replacing tungsten or halogen everywhere. Problem: two-income couples who needed to each have their own secure network while working from home during and after the pandemic, plus segregated capacity for the kids stuck at home. Solution: multiple personally-owned routers that are subnetted behind a utility co.'s (Comcast, AT&T, Sonic, etc.) own equipment, doubling, tripling or even quadrupling the RFI being generated.
Having multiple routers shouldn't be necessary for home use. We never needed more than one when working from home, and there were two of us, working at separate companies, able to use Zoom, Teams (yuck), etc. simultaneously with no problem as long as IPsec passthrough was enabled on the router. Encryption was then end-to-end at the network layer. Effectively, each user had a VPN (as long as split tunneling was not allowed, which it usually isn't) managed by our employers. We did have a booster upstairs since the main equipment was downstairs in a corner, but it functioned transparently to the downstairs network. If there was ever a problem, it was with Comcast, which never seemed to realize that the daytime is not a good time to push changes to production. If we had stayed in Oakland, I would have gotten fiber with AT&T. Same deal in Denver, except we're not working, but still on computers a lot, and we have fiber. But we have something like 20-25 devices on the network on at all times for various purposes, almost all on Wi-Fi. They all coexist peacefully. The main radio noise producer is the network termination device that's in a downstairs closet. It will destroy AM reception within about 6 feet but that zone of noise falls off very rapidly. Oddly, the best place for AM reception in the house is just above that closet upstairs. At that point it's far enough away from the NTD to avoid being a problem.

As far as I'm concerned, the noisiest piece of technology out there is the dimmer switch. I've tried to keep them out of this house, though I may have to relent in one instance due to plans to replace an ugly light fixture. I'm hoping we can get a dimmer switch that's electrically quiet.

So some of the folks in San Francisco work in high tech. Most don't. More, just like those in Mobile and Wichita, work in insurance offices, real estate agencies, the back office at the supermarket, the local branch of a brokerage house and the like.
Rural electric cooperatives in many areas are putting in fiber. Farmers tend to be heavy users of technology, and have been for years, so the demand is there. The situation is still far from ideal in some areas, but improvement has been steady. Small towns also view quality Internet connectivity as a competitive advantage in attracting business and residents. As an example, my mother's hometown of 6,000 people in a somewhat isolated part of Missouri now has fiber available anywhere in town and along more and more routes in the surrounding area.

Yes, there was a big gulf in connectivity between the Bay Area and most everywhere else...in 1995. I remember well the hassles in trying to get Internet connectivity in Kansas City. Of course, it was dial-up. Thirty years later, quality connectivity is more evenly distributed, particularly in metro areas, though some rural areas are still left out.
 
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Which is what I do most of my listening to. The only time I listen to terrestrial radio is in the car and then I still like to bluetooth my phone.

We’re saying the same thing you know it’s all gradual sinking. KNX and KCBS needed to add the simulcast which ALSO reduced the need to even go to AM for those who still did. The overall listen went up, but the AM listening probably tanked even further than it would have. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have done it. It was just a byproduct.

Probably KCBS, with KSFO being a close second.

I listen regularly to KCBS on AM, because I find that the FM signal fades a lot, particularly in the hills.

And of course, up past Healdsburg , the FM is iffy at best, and almost unlistenable for the most part once past Cloverdale.

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I’d also include KNBR due to the coverage gap.
 
But unlike Vallco, AM in SF isn’t going to be redeveloped. I wonder which Bay Area AM station will be the last one standing.
I almost jokingly said 610 but even Family Radio appears to be walking away from WCUE in Cuyahoga Falls. Plus they've had a past history of horse trading in SF where it wouldn't be too much a surprise to see them back on FM again.
 
I almost jokingly said 610 but even Family Radio appears to be walking away from WCUE in Cuyahoga Falls. Plus they've had a past history of horse trading in SF where it wouldn't be too much a surprise to see them back on FM again.
With Family having moved from the Bay Area, I wonder how much interest they would have in keeping a Bay Area outpost. Their days of expansion seem mostly over, too. KEAR 610 is probably not that difficult to run: no DA, same power day and night, taking network programming. In any event, Family seems to operate in a slow-and-steady mode, so I doubt 610 is going away any time soon, and horse trading presumes that there are horses to be traded.
 
But unlike Vallco, AM in SF isn’t going to be redeveloped. I wonder which Bay Area AM station will be the last one standing.
Ethnic broadcasting still seems to be viable. There's a little bit of a religious presence as well. The big boys are more likely to give up than the people staying afloat in various niches.
 
With Family having moved from the Bay Area, I wonder how much interest they would have in keeping a Bay Area outpost. Their days of expansion seem mostly over, too. KEAR 610 is probably not that difficult to run: no DA, same power day and night, taking network programming. In any event, Family seems to operate in a slow-and-steady mode, so I doubt 610 is going away any time soon, and horse trading presumes that there are horses to be traded.
Family Radio managed to buy some time selling their TV stations in the spectrum auction and some commercial FM properties. Their problem stems from the credibility problem created by their late founder’s end of the world prophecy. The current leaders have worked hard to rebuild the brand, but I believe the donations are still short in covering expenses.
 
Ethnic broadcasting still seems to be viable.
Depends on the ethnicity. For example, Spanish language AM is nearly dead except in markets that have no Spanish language FM... and even then such stations are competing with streams and try to get translators on FM if possible.
 
Depends on the ethnicity. For example, Spanish language AM is nearly dead except in markets that have no Spanish language FM... and even then such stations are competing with streams and try to get translators on FM if possible.
I agree with you. I wonder if Spanish-language broadcasting should even be considered "ethnic" given that it's so widespread and not limited to specific areas.

I personally don't think of Spanish as a "foreign" language. There's at least one U.S. state where it has official status and, of course, there's Puerto Rico.
 
I agree with you. I wonder if Spanish-language broadcasting should even be considered "ethnic" given that it's so widespread and not limited to specific areas.
Good point. It is now in a category like Black targeted stations have long occupied. One of the considerations by advertisers is whether Hispanic or Black targeting needs different or separate creative focusing on the language and lifestyle of each group (remembering that over half of all U.S. Hispanics don't consider themselves to be Spanish speaking).
I personally don't think of Spanish as a "foreign" language. There's at least one U.S. state where it has official status and, of course, there's Puerto Rico.
And there are a dozen or so states where Spanish was "there first" ranging from Texas to California to Colorado to Florida... all of which have Spanish names.
 
What management would try what hadn't worked twice before yet a third time? Certainly none that intended to stick around.
The good folks at iHeart Dallas would like you to hold their beer, Mark. Currently on the third attempt at recapturing the rock n' roll glory days of KEGL "97-1 The Eagle".
 
The good folks at iHeart Dallas would like you to hold their beer, Mark. Currently on the third attempt at recapturing the rock n' roll glory days of KEGL "97-1 The Eagle".

Although that's not exactly what they're doing. This incarnation doesn't sound anything like the previous ones.
 
Good point. It is now in a category like Black targeted stations have long occupied. One of the considerations by advertisers is whether Hispanic or Black targeting needs different or separate creative focusing on the language and lifestyle of each group (remembering that over half of all U.S. Hispanics don't consider themselves to be Spanish speaking).

And there are a dozen or so states where Spanish was "there first" ranging from Texas to California to Colorado to Florida... all of which have Spanish names.
Many years ago, I had to explain to a new co-worker who came out to SoCal from NJ. a little bit of our history. He "didn't understand why everything (meaning the names of cities and other things) is in Spanish". He was astounded to hear that Spanish was the overwhelmingly dominant language until at least the early 1900's and is now on a par with English, on its way to dominance again. Here in our region of the US, it is truly bi-lingual, and that's a good thing. Just like Canada.
 


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