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The fabulous, bewildering, insanity that is - the new ratings.

I don’t think iHeart will ever dump the grandpa rock on 97.1 as long as it’s called The Eagle. I also don’t think the heritage name is doing as much for them as they think. Most people don’t care what the station is called as long as they play the music they like.
This is the key line here. If The Eagle's branding mattered, the audiences would still be tuning into the station and KVIL would be languishing like they were at the start of the 20's, when we were wondering if KVIL would be the one that would flip.

I do think brand loyalty is not nothing - when KEGL flipped back to Active Rock it got a significant boost, especially as Allers had directed KVIL back to more standard Alternative during KEGL's time as "The Freak". But if it truly was the be-all, end-all, KVIL wouldn't be surging ahead again even after putting the Active-leaning mix back on. Listeners want the music they like, and if KVIL is playing the music they like better than the "home station" for that type of music, they're going to tune into KVIL.
 
I just realized there are FOUR Christian CHR station's ahead of "The Eagle". Then I laughed. Then I got a little sad and confused. And then I laughed a lot. Says a lot about A) the state of radio B) this market now C) how much Jesus loves us.
 
I have friends in bands that are dead broke because everyone has stolen their music. Go bark up that tree and let me see how far up it you get.

I think a screen shot of public information will be okay and I'm sure that site isn't making enough money to pay for server space, much less afford attorney fees.
Doesn't mean its right and is a violation of our terms of service... Consider this a public two strikes and you're out warning.
 
I just realized there are FOUR Christian CHR station's ahead of "The Eagle". Then I laughed. Then I got a little sad and confused. And then I laughed a lot. Says a lot about A) the state of radio B) this market now C) how much Jesus loves us.
Maybe they can find the modern day Stryper and play their music
 
Says a lot about the state of rock music more than anything.
How can it say anything about the state of rock music considering KEGL barely plays anything new? KVIL plays more new music in a couple of hours than KEGL plays in the entire day. KEGL still only has the three currents that I mentioned previously, and they all play approximately twice a day. KVIL typically plays 2-3 currents per hour, and night airplay usually brings that up to 4-6.

If anything it means people are sick of exclusively hearing the same old songs and want to hear fresh stuff too.
 
How can it say anything about the state of rock music considering KEGL barely plays anything new?

New rock music alienates more people than older rock music. Rock is the only format where that's the case. Country stations are playing as much as 30% new music and their ratings are spectacular. Rock stations could never do that.

If anything it means people are sick of exclusively hearing the same old songs and want to hear fresh stuff too.

Lone Star is playing more old music, and they get better numbers. So that's not the problem.
 
New rock music alienates more people than older rock music. Rock is the only format where that's the case. Country stations are playing as much as 30% new music and their ratings are spectacular. Rock stations could never do that.



Lone Star is playing more old music, and they get better numbers. So that's not the problem.
Lone Star is a tried and true classic rock station, and they're playing the older side of KEGL better than KEGL is, just like KVIL is playing the 90's-00's side of KEGL better than KEGL Is. KEGL is incompetently programmed.

As far as your other thesis goes - it's correct and incorrect at the same time. Pure heritage-style Active Rock stations are struggling, yes. But there's like this subformat forming on both Alternative and Active that is able to include new music and also generate strong ratings and cume. I call it "Modern Rock", and from analyzing the playlists of these stations I've more or less figured out what formula these stations follow, and KVIL follows this formula, albeit to a lighter extent than most of its peers.

The currents "Modern Rock" stations play tend to be new music by classic "divorced dad rock" bands, alternative metal, folk-rock, post-punk revival/indie rock, punk rock, and alternative rock. It seems to be the magic formula for currents as many of these stations can get away with 3-4 currents in daypart and 4-7 currents at night, which is completely unheard of for either traditional Alternative or Active Rock stations right now. The ones on the Active panel lean more towards "divorced dad rock" and alternative metal, while the Alternative stations lean towards the other subgenres I mentioned. It feels like an "anything goes" style of rock format that excludes modern post-grunge (from the Active Rock side) and indie pop (from the Alternative side). It also makes battles for #1 on both formats interesting and difficult because both formats have a decently-sized slate of music that these "Modern Rock" stations won't touch.

As far as golds, these "Modern Rock" stations focus heavily on 90's and 00's crossovers between the formats. Active Rock panelists that use the formula sometimes sneak in a heavy classic rock song (WIYY will drop in a Def Leppard song for example), while Alternative stations will usually insert the likes of Gorillaz or Modest Mouse. Some 2010's songs, also usually crossovers between the formats, do get onto the playlists, however.

Those types of Alternative and Active Rock stations that subscribe to this formula are doing well. They're doing the best of either Alternative or Active Rock in general. It's going to be hard to knock KVIL out because KVIL is following the "Modern Rock" formula for golds and currents on its playlist right now. It's also going to struggle to knock Lone Star off because Lone Star has the older side of KEGL's playlist locked in. KEGL is stuck in an uncomfortable limbo, not fresh enough to give KVIL a challenge but not playing enough classic treasures to give Lone Star a fight.
 
How are these "successful" alternative/active stations doing where it counts -- in billing? Are they still running into the long-standing advertiser resistance, the belief that the listeners are cynical and underemployed (the stereotypical 20-something fast food worker still living in his parents' basement) with neither the spending money nor the gullibility to act on an advertising pitch?
 
Lone Star is a tried and true classic rock station, and they're playing the older side of KEGL better than KEGL is, just like KVIL is playing the 90's-00's side of KEGL better than KEGL Is. KEGL is incompetently programmed.

KEGL and KVIL are different formats. KEGL is not trying to be KVIL.

I call it "Modern Rock", and from analyzing the playlists of these stations I've more or less figured out what formula these stations follow, and KVIL follows this formula, albeit to a lighter extent than most of its peers.
That's not what KEGL is doing. My view is the audience for that music, at least in Dallas, has found a way to get what they want. They're satisfied with whatever music service they use, and they're not seeking out a replacement on traditional radio. If there was a big potential audience, there are lots of low rated stations owned by other companies. The demos for this audience are similar to sports, and the companies feel they can get them with the sports format. Sports, especially in Dallas, is a more consensus format than rock music.
 
KEGL and KVIL are different formats. KEGL is not trying to be KVIL.


That's not what KEGL is doing. My view is the audience for that music, at least in Dallas, has found a way to get what they want. They're satisfied with whatever music service they use, and they're not seeking out a replacement on traditional radio. If there was a big potential audience, there are lots of low rated stations owned by other companies. The demos for this audience are similar to sports, and the companies feel they can get them with the sports format. Sports, especially in Dallas, is a more consensus format than rock music.
Did you completely misread my post? KEGL isn't trying to be KVIL, it's the other way around. KVIL is playing a specific element of KEGL better than KEGL themselves are. Lone Star is also playing the older/classic side of KEGL better than KEGL is. KEGL is flanked by two stations who are focusing on key KEGL demos and convincing the listeners they're targeting to listen to them instead without breaking their formats outright.
 
KEGL is flanked by two stations who are focusing on key KEGL demos and convincing the listeners they're targeting to listen to them instead.

KEGL has other things it has to do contractually besides music. They've decided this is how to accomplish that.
 
KEGL is flanked by two stations who are focusing on key KEGL demos and convincing the listeners they're targeting to listen to them instead without breaking their formats outright.
I heard Metallica's "Enter Sandman" on KVIL yesterday. Meanwhile on KEGL, Ben and Foreskin were talking about... something?

KEGL needs the refresh treatment KVIL had a few years ago. Dump the talk. Adjust the playlist. The Eagle should sound like a mix of SXM's Turbo and Octane.
 

I stand by what I said: The audience for hard rock and metal knows where to get it.

They're not sitting in silence waiting for their music to appear on the radio. They don't have to. It's not the 1980s. They have lots of choices.

They also know that if the music was on the radio, it would have to be censored for language and they'd have to hear commercials.

Building radio formats around song lists is not how it's done. People can build their own song lists.

To say iHeart has run out of ideas ignores what they're doing on their streaming channels:

 
Big A, I think everyone gets what you’re saying. However, I think in my mind and the mind of others, we just believe that The Eagle could be a much better radio station. If my assumption is correct, we also believe that radio can still co-exist with streaming services. If listeners have the choice of traditional radio versus streaming, I’m sure they’ll choose streaming a lot. I’m not sure how big the piece of the pie is, but I’m sure other listeners will choose traditional radio.

Since streaming has gained popularity, I feel like radio has the mentality of, “streaming’s already got us beat, let’s just give up and coast on what’s left”. It doesn’t have to be that way. Will radio ever win back all of the listeners lost to streaming? Absolutely not! However, that doesn’t mean we should stop trying.

For reasons that we don’t know or understand, iHeart has chosen the current path for 97.1. That doesn’t mean it’s perfect. A lot of us believe the station could be a lot better and that’s what we’re on here to discuss from time-to-time.
 
I feel like radio has the mentality of, “streaming’s already got us beat, let’s just give up and coast on what’s left”. It doesn’t have to be that way. Will radio ever win back all of the listeners lost to streaming? Absolutely not! However, that doesn’t mean we should stop trying.

It takes two to tango. You want radio to devote itself to music, and meanwhile, the music industry doesn't care. They've stopped servicing radio, because they feel there's nothing in it for them. So if the people making the music aren't interested in getting airplay, then it has an effect on the people in radio. Why should we kill ourselves when the artists and labels don't care? It didn't used to be that way. They used to have radio promotion departments. Now they see radio as too much work, and streaming is so much easier and cheaper. I was just at a music conference organized by the big labels, and that's what I heard.

The other thing is that iHeartRadio is one of the biggest streaming sites in the country. It's three times as big as Pandora. They have 150 million subscribers. Not as big as Spotify, but it has more users than a lot of other platforms. They have seen the future, and it's not FM radio.
 
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