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TomásEstefan said:
Many years ago, I had to explain to a new co-worker who came out to SoCal from NJ. a little bit of our history. He "didn't understand why everything (meaning the names of cities and other things) is in Spanish". He was astounded to hear that Spanish was the overwhelmingly dominant language until at least the early 1900's and is now on a par with English, on its way to dominance again. Here in our region of the US, it is truly bi-lingual, and that's a good thing. Just like Canada.
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When I was the news director at KFBK, I had a group of young reporters who I overheard one day discussing why they thought California had all these Spanish names and how "Sacramento" wasn't one of them.

They were astonished to learn that the capital city is named after a river that the explorers said was as sweet as the Sacrament of the Lord. In Spanish.
 
michael hagerty said:
When I was the news director at KFBK, I had a group of young reporters who I overheard one day discussing why they thought California had all these Spanish names and how "Sacramento" wasn't one of them.

They were astonished to learn that the capital city is named after a river that the explorers said was as sweet as the Sacrament of the Lord. In Spanish.
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It would of been interesting to hear their various opinions as to why "everything is in Spanish"!
 
michael hagerty said:
When I was the news director at KFBK, I had a group of young reporters who I overheard one day discussing why they thought California had all these Spanish names and how "Sacramento" wasn't one of them.

They were astonished to learn that the capital city is named after a river that the explorers said was as sweet as the Sacrament of the Lord. In Spanish.
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I hate to think what would have happened if you told them what Manteca means.
 
DavidEduardo said:
And there are a dozen or so states where Spanish was "there first" ranging from Texas to California to Colorado to Florida... all of which have Spanish names.
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Well, there before English. Perhaps that's what the quotes are intended to convey. The Yurok, Ohlone, Hopi, Zuñi, Laguna, Kewa, Navajo, Ute, Arapahoe, and other peoples might like a word, too.
 
michael hagerty said:
I was tempted to mess with them and tell them the next city south of us was pronounced stock-TONE but I didn't want that ending up on the air.
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Hopefully you had a list of distinctive local pronunciations for them to memorize. We had that at KTRH in Houston, and it was absolutely essential, considering the way Texan place-name pronunciations were mangled over time. For example, "Bexar" is one you'd never figure out if no one told you, even though it's of Mexican origin.
 
What's 560 sound like in the Bay at night now? I assume mostly KPQ Wenatchee WA? Or maybe KBLU Yuma?
 
Mark Roberts said:
Hopefully you had a list of distinctive local pronunciations for them to memorize. We had that at KTRH in Houston, and it was absolutely essential, considering the way Texan place-name pronunciations were mangled over time. For example, "Bexar" is one you'd never figure out if no one told you, even though it's of Mexican origin.
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Yeah, we did. Most of what's around us is pretty simple, though (Rocklin, Roseville, Auburn, Folsom)...Sacramento is sort of the dividing line where the Spanish Conquerers stopped and the Gold Rush guys took over.
 
crainbebo said:
What's 560 sound like in the Bay at night now? I assume mostly KPQ Wenatchee WA? Or maybe KBLU Yuma?
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See posts #189 and 208. KMON seemed strongest on the Point Reyes SDR but wasn't exactly listenable either.
 
Yuma, Wenatchee and Great Falls all null away from the Bay Area. Denver is fairly N-S. So not a shock nobody really shows up there at night. I suppose someone could re-engineer if the license for 560 SF gets deleted, but would there be any cost analysis where that would make sense?
 
Mark Roberts said:
Well, there before English. Perhaps that's what the quotes are intended to convey. The Yurok, Ohlone, Hopi, Zuñi, Laguna, Kewa, Navajo, Ute, Arapahoe, and other peoples might like a word, too.
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But many were migrant or transitory gatherings of a few hundred people. In fact, one of the theories of the founding of Mexico City has a migration from what is now the area of the Salton Sea and Palm Springs across much of Mexico. The Spanish created far less migratory societies as they had a more advanced civilization that was used to adapting to climate changes and growing seasons.

Heck, even the Mayas migrated from what is now El Salvador through Guatemala to the Yucatán as their highly depleting agriculturre wore out the land (Yeah, I had my undergraduate thesis on the Mayan ball court ceremony published by the University of Pittsburgh).
Mark Roberts said:
Hopefully you had a list of distinctive local pronunciations for them to memorize. We had that at KTRH in Houston, and it was absolutely essential, considering the way Texan place-name pronunciations were mangled over time. For example, "Bexar" is one you'd never figure out if no one told you, even though it's of Mexican origin.
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Remember, the "x" in antiquated Spanish was like a "j" and the Anglicized pronunciation comes from there. In Latin America, many write "Mejico" instead of "Mexico" because they think that doing so is correct Spanish.
 
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michael hagerty said:
I'm thinking no.
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The only exception I can think of is if the deletion of KZAC would allow one of those stations to be nondirectional at night, possibly at lower power, but not so low as to fall into class D status. But I give that a low probability.

We also should remind ourselves that no kind of notification has been filed yet for KZAC, and Cumulus could easily get a silent STA for six months, renewable one time, before the ticking clock expires on March 3, 2026. That would pretty much freeze the present configuration of stations in the West until then.
 
Mark Roberts said:
The only exception I can think of is if the deletion of KZAC would allow one of those stations to be nondirectional at night, possibly at lower power, but not so low as to fall into class D status. But I give that a low probability.

We also should remind ourselves that no kind of notification has been filed yet for KZAC, and Cumulus could easily get a silent STA for six months, renewable one time, before the ticking clock expires on March 3, 2026. That would pretty much freeze the present configuration of stations in the West until then.
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Yeah. I can also see a couple of stations in the Bay Area such as KVTO, KEST or KSFB just simply apply to change frequencies to 560. I’m thinking 5kw d, 1kw n, ND.
 
Michael Rivers Kramer said:
Yeah. I can also see a couple of stations in the Bay Area such as KVTO, KEST or KSFB just simply apply to change frequencies to 560. I’m thinking 5kw d, 1kw n, ND.
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Calling Dr. Fybush: to file for the frequency of a canceled license, even on AM, would require an auction, no? I am thinking about the 1430 and 1380 frequencies in St. Louis that went for auction recently...
 


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