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[PTBoardOp93]

How does this work if you lease a car? My car has Scottish plates, because that's just where the leasing company is based so it's where the car is registered. If you go to Ireland, lots of cars outside Dublin have Dublin plates, often for the same reason. Is California just full of car lease companies?

No. In the US, the lessor registers the car where they live.
This is done for tax and insurance purposes - auto insurance laws and auto taxes vary by state, and setting up a scheme where California tax could be avoided by leasing a vehicle from a company in Oklahoma would not fly.

 

[michael hagerty]

The two aren't related, are they?

c

They are---or were. Ann Lee Harris was a retired broadway actress who married Jack Harris, the owner of Harris Ranch. He built the restaurant at the ranch specifically for her in 1977 and she ran it.

When Jack died unexpectedly in 1981, the ranch and its properties went to his son, there was a falling out, and Ann went to San Francisco to open Harris' Steakhouse (and, within a decade, to Phoenix to open a second one---which is where I met her). She did make the decision to source the beef for the steakhouses from the midwest rather than from her estranged stepson.

Ann died 22 years ago---the Phoenix location closed and the San Francisco one was sold to her head chef. It's been sold a second time since, but to another long-time chef who worked directly for Ann back in the day.

 

[Signal Geek]

Yeah it was originally KTIM San Rafael 1 kW ND daytimer. I think the station may have actually been located in Sausalito, but maybe not.

The transmitter was in a marsh near San Pablo Bay, several miles north of downtown San Rafael. I remember the signal in inland parts of Southern Marin was fair to poor.

 

[Signal Geek]

You should checkout K-TIDE (KTYD) 99.9 Santa Barbara, by far one of the best Classic Rock stations, although they probably wouldn't want to call it that. Never the less it's perennially one of the best stations of its type. In my humble opinion better than KLOS or KGB.

I hear KTYD often in San Diego when the tropo-ducting is going strong. Very simple liners, with no backing music or effects. Just a man's voice saying "Quality rock, K-Tide." I agree: they have a fantastic music mix. And last I checked, they were #1 in the ratings.

 

[TomásEstefan]

I hear KTYD often in San Diego when the tropo-ducting is going strong. Very simple liners, with no backing music or effects. Just a man's voice saying "Quality rock, K-Tide." I agree: they have a fantastic music mix. And last I checked, they were #1 in the ratings.

The "mans' " voice is that of the late, great Nick Michaels, A huge loss to the industry. He's missed by many...

 

[seattlesarchiebunker]

How does this work if you lease a car? My car has Scottish plates, because that's just where the leasing company is based so it's where the car is registered. If you go to Ireland, lots of cars outside Dublin have Dublin plates, often for the same reason. Is California just full of car lease companies?

Leasing is taxed/registered by the state the lessor lives in. Rental (hire) cars are often seen around the country with various plates (makes you wonder in states with yearly safety/smog inspections how they get them back to their home state to pass those yearly).

What I don’t understand is how a CA registered vehicle can remain registered out-of-state without a valid smog certificate since that’s required for registration in CA (unless all these out of state CA plates are from the rural parts of the state where you only smog your car once upon purchase).

Many moons ago, when I moved from VA out west, I kept my VA plates for years even though VA requires a yearly safety inspection. At the time, one could register the car in VA and the inspection wasn’t tied to your registration, but if you were in-state with no inspection, you’re getting pulled over and a fat ticket issued.

 

[davideduardo]

Leasing is taxed/registered by the state the lessor lives in. Rental (hire) cars are often seen around the country with various plates (makes you wonder in states with yearly safety/smog inspections how they get them back to their home state to pass those yearly).

CA tests on older cars are every 2 years, but those made in last 8 years are generally exempt:

In California, a Smog Check is generally required every two years (biennially) for most gasoline vehicles (model year 1976 and newer) during registration renewal, plus when you sell or bring a vehicle into the state, with newer vehicles (8 years old or less) exempt from the biennial test but still needing one at transfer.

Few rental car companies keep cars for 8 years.

 

[michael hagerty]

The "mans' " voice is that of the late, great Nick Michaels, A huge loss to the industry. He's missed by many...

Until shortly after his death, Nick’s was the ID voice at KCBS, San Francisco:

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Fresno has a large local direct account base, while in SF nearly everything is agency business.

Plus the owner of KYNO sells it in combo with his other stations and has been tied to the Fresno advertising community for years. Personally I find the playlist on KYNO is too large. He does run a very retro sounding classic hits station, KJWL complete with old 20/20 news sounders. I think he makes most of his money with KFRR and KJFX.

 

[KilowattKat]

He does run a very retro sounding classic hits station, KJWL complete with old 20/20 news sounders.

I wonder if the 20/20 news was ripped off from Grant Marshall of CKLW the BIG 8. I like listening to the old airchecks of it, the only newscast I ever laughed along with. I guess this was a staple on boss jock radio. KYNO does the 20/20 news thing in the morning also, during Harry Miller's show.

 

[davideduardo]

I wonder if the 20/20 news was ripped off from Grant Marshall of CKLW the BIG 8. I like listening to the old airchecks of it, the only newscast I ever laughed along with. I guess this was a staple on boss jock radio. KYNO does the 20/20 news thing in the morning also, during Harry Miller's show.

I wonder which station under which PD did 20/20 news first?

 

[wildthangjim]

I wonder which station under which PD did 20/20 news first?

I always thought it was a McLendon creation, as described here:

Rock ’N’ Roll’s Wizard of Oz

How Gordon McLendon stormed Texas with Top 40 . . . da doo ron ron.

www.texasmonthly.com

 

[michael hagerty]

I always thought it was a McLendon creation, as described here:

Rock ’N’ Roll’s Wizard of Oz

How Gordon McLendon stormed Texas with Top 40 . . . da doo ron ron.

www.texasmonthly.com

That's right.

Within the RKO chain, it was KHJ. Ron Jacobs described in his book the debate over where to put the newscasts so as to be in music when both KFWB and KRLA were in newscasts and 20 before and 20 after were the logical placement for them to achieve that.

I don't know what KYNO, Fresno was doing, but as late as December, 1964, Bill Drake had KGB, San Diego doing newscasts at :45.

The "20/20 News" brand was compelling enough that Drake expanded it beyond KHJ to the other RKO stations as he was given oversight of them. That was early '66 for KFRC, and then 1967 for the rest of the chain.

I know that CKLW's news style preceded Drake's involvement, but I can't find anything that tells us if it was "20/20 News" pre-Drake.

 

[TomásEstefan]

CA tests on older cars are every 2 years, but those made in last 8 years are generally exempt:

In California, a Smog Check is generally required every two years (biennially) for most gasoline vehicles (model year 1976 and newer) during registration renewal, plus when you sell or bring a vehicle into the state, with newer vehicles (8 years old or less) exempt from the biennial test but still needing one at transfer.

Few rental car companies keep cars for 8 years.

My van is 28 years old and I still have get a smog check every 2 years.

 

[TomásEstefan]

Plus the owner of KYNO sells it in combo with his other stations and has been tied to the Fresno advertising community for years. Personally I find the playlist on KYNO is too large. He does run a very retro sounding classic hits station, KJWL complete with old 20/20 news sounders. I think he makes most of his money with KFRR and KJFX.

It's kinda cool that they run The Wolfman at night a couple times a week. With the KYNO's skywave signal fading in and out, it's reminiscent of listening to him on XERB back in the day...

 

[Weiserguy]

My van is 28 years old and I still have get a smog check every 2 years.

But is your van part of a rental fleet? Does it get tens of thousands of rental miles every year? The cars that are and do get sold off at predictable intervals (usually <= 2 years), or returned to their manufacturers in exchange for new vehicles, so they never reach the point where that 8-year smog check is mandated.

 

[michael hagerty]

I think there's some confusion here.

• Cars newer than eight years old don't need the smog test in California unless the title is being transferred.
• Apart from that, gasoline-powered vehicles model year 1976 and newer need to get a smog check every two years.

If @TomásEstefan's van is 28 years old (which would make it a 1997 or 1998 model, depending on how you're counting---calendar year or model year), then there is absolutely nothing surprising or remarkable about it needing a smog check every two years.

 

[cc333]

I think there's some confusion here.

• Cars newer than eight years old don't need the smog test in California unless the title is being transferred.
• Apart from that, gasoline-powered vehicles model year 1976 and newer need to get a smog check every two years.

If @TomásEstefan's van is 28 years old (which would make it a 1997 or 1998 model, depending on how you're counting---calendar year or model year), then there is absolutely nothing surprising or remarkable about it needing a smog check every two years.

I agree!

We have a '94 GMC (so roughly 31 years old, going by model year; I suspect it was built sometime in '95 maybe), and it needed the smog check when we we're living in the east bay. Not necessary in LC, though, except when being sold.

Our 2017 Subaru (again going by MY) will be turning 8 next year, so if we move back to the east bay at any point thereafter, it will be subject to the biannual check (it wasn't before).

With California's push to make everyone buy EVs, it wouldn't surprise me if, at some point, the rules change and become so strict that basically only EVs can pass. If I'm not mistaken, this is already true for commercial diesel-powered vehicles (can't register them if they were built before 2010, unless the engine can be upgraded, which rules out anything other then semis and buses with upgradable engines, I would guess.

I don't know why this tread is here anymore; so far we've been talking about restaurants and CA smog rules. How do those subjects relate to broadcasting?

What this forum needs is some sort of "lounge" area where off-topic discussions can go. Every other forum I visit has one, and it works out pretty well in my experience. What does @lanceventa think?

c

 

[michael hagerty]

With California's push to make everyone buy EVs, it wouldn't surprise me if, at some point, the rules change and become so strict that basically only EVs can pass. If I'm not mistaken, this is already true for commercial diesel-powered vehicles (can't register them if they were built before 2010, unless the engine can be upgraded, which rules out anything other then semis and buses with upgradable engines, I would guess.

A couple of things:

California's 2035 plan was not EV-specific. It was technology-agnostic. Whatever allowed for zero tailpipe emissions, which, yeah, largely means EVs, but could also be met by hydrogen.

It also included a carve-out for plug-in hybrid vehicles with a range of at least 50 miles per charge. Those vehicles run on a mix of gasoline and electric in hybrid mode after the 50 (or more) miles of electric range are used.

It also made no effort to curb resale of used vehicles that used gasoline---up to and including model 2034 vehicles.

All that said, it may end up being moot. The combination of the Trump administration's lack of support for EVs (apart from the brief Teslafest on the White House grounds) and declining EV sales will make the targets nearly impossible to meet. And Republicans in Congress are working on a "Stop CARB" act, to neuter the California Air Resources Board's power to set standards for the state (which 11 other states follow).

 

[TomásEstefan]

But is your van part of a rental fleet? Does it get tens of thousands of rental miles every year? The cars that are and do get sold off at predictable intervals (usually <= 2 years), or returned to their manufacturers in exchange for new vehicles, so they never reach the point where that 8-year smog check is mandated.

Nope, owned it since 1997.