89.3 Dhoom FM is dhoomed

[nd2023]

So they were only off for less than a year. I wonder why it took so long for them to move from 89.3 to 104.7.

 

[Radio411]

So they were only off for less than a year. I wonder why it took so long for them to move from 89.3 to 104.7.

What OTHER frequency would you propose they relocated too? It's not like the band in the NE is congested or cluttered or anything... I would venture to say that there were some significant engineering studies that were done to find their "new" home on 104.7fm. I can't imagine it was an easy task to play second adjacent to TWO Clear Channel stations in NY and Philly.

 

[myke25]

See what happens when you piss off the religious folks by pulling the plug on their 89.3 Catholic Radio?

 

[Radio411]

See what happens when you piss off the religious folks by pulling the plug on their 89.3 Catholic Radio?

it's apparent that either you are of "asian descent" OR you have some sort of axe to grind with the Dhoom folks from my casual observations based on your apparent fixation with their new station and I guess the old one ... feel free to elaborate on the merit of what you said above and maybe we'll all find the humor in it...

???

 

[WNTIRadio]

They weren't the best of operators in the past, that's for sure. Running over power and also running full blown spots on a noncomm among other things. They were also over height at their former STA location, and owed considerable back rent. So you can see why someone wouldn't like them very much, no matter their heritage.

89.3 got a much better deal anyhow after the plug was pulled... 1260 in Trenton and 89.3 at 3.8kW.

 

[Radio411]

 

[myke25]

See what happens when you piss off the religious folks by pulling the plug on their 89.3 Catholic Radio?

it's apparent that either you are of "asian descent" OR you have some sort of axe to grind with the Dhoom folks from my casual observations based on your apparent fixation with their new station and I guess the old one ... feel free to elaborate on the merit of what you said above and maybe we'll all find the humor in it...

???

LOL are you kidding me? i'm Caucasian first of all... apparently you didn't read up on the allegations against Domestic Church Media not financially satisfying their agreements with the owners of WDDM. The result- DCM is yanked off the air. DCM then proceeds to file an application for an opening on 89.3 in Freehold as the "FM Pregnancy Center" who then transfer ownership to DCM during the CP and now simulcast 89.3 and 1260 am. 89.3 displaced WDDM, forcing Dhoom off the air. They reclaim 89.3, a much larger coverage area and a bigger F-U to the owners of WDDM.

My apparent fixation? Maybe if you paid attention to the discussions that took place here over the past 2-3 years or so, you'd understand. Thanks for the drama. ;-)

 

[nd2023]

So they were only off for less than a year. I wonder why it took so long for them to move from 89.3 to 104.7.

What OTHER frequency would you propose they relocated too? It's not like the band in the NE is congested or cluttered or anything... I would venture to say that there were some significant engineering studies that were done to find their "new" home on 104.7fm. I can't imagine it was an easy task to play second adjacent to TWO Clear Channel stations in NY and Philly.

I wonder if they could have moved to 87.9, since that's open to displaced LPFMs.

 

[Radio411]

LOL are you kidding me? i'm Caucasian first of all... apparently you didn't read up on the allegations against Domestic Church Media not financially satisfying their agreements with the owners of WDDM. The result- DCM is yanked off the air. DCM then proceeds to file an application for an opening on 89.3 in Freehold as the "FM Pregnancy Center" who then transfer ownership to DCM during the CP and now simulcast 89.3 and 1260 am. 89.3 displaced WDDM, forcing Dhoom off the air. They reclaim 89.3, a much larger coverage area and a bigger F-U to the owners of WDDM.

My apparent fixation? Maybe if you paid attention to the discussions that took place here over the past 2-3 years or so, you'd understand. Thanks for the drama. ;-)

Actually I wasn't joking to clarify your first question. Secondly, I am more than aware of the "history that WAS" as far as 89.3FM is concerned but what I DON'T understand is how that has any bearing on the current day situation. Unless we've entered a time warp and are in the process of reversing and rewriting history I don't see the point of rehashing. Who knows if the same "people" involved then are even in the present picture. What I WILL grant you is that karma IS a bi#ch and in the end it seems like everyone got what they wanted even if it took the backroads instead of the interstates to get there. Does that make it an "F-U" as you so wonderfully put it... I would say NOT So Much. 89.3 was licensed to 10 watts and more than likely still is now with a different transmitter location apparently. From what I heard rolling through the area the audio sounded waaaaay better than it ever did in it's previous incarnation. If anything they shifted their coverage westward and since it never hit Edison really well "alone" this should really be no big surprise to them withOUT a 100.7 translator as an option.

I'm white myself and clicked into see what all the *buzz* was about and quite frankly I'm just NOT hearing it. If the indian folks have a product to offer and an audience to "buy" or "support" it then good for them. If their on multiple frequencies as I think I heard then there must be a revenue source in place to support it.

As for "paying attention to the discussions over the last 2-3 years" I DO have an excuse... I have a LIFE!!! Apparently that makes ME the "minority" on here I suppose.

Now back to YOUR regularly scheduled assaninity... Enjoy! Do me a favor though... since you seem to be one of their P-1 listeners, let me know if they start a "Cash a Day Give-a-way" as I could use a few extra dollars. Or maybe if they have a phrase that pays or something like that, DEF feel free to keep us posted!

Thanks and have a "Dhoomy" weekend "Rich!"

 

[WNTIRadio]

LOL are you kidding me? i'm Caucasian first of all... apparently you didn't read up on the allegations against Domestic Church Media not financially satisfying their agreements with the owners of WDDM. The result- DCM is yanked off the air. DCM then proceeds to file an application for an opening on 89.3 in Freehold as the "FM Pregnancy Center" who then transfer ownership to DCM during the CP and now simulcast 89.3 and 1260 am. 89.3 displaced WDDM, forcing Dhoom off the air. They reclaim 89.3, a much larger coverage area and a bigger F-U to the owners of WDDM.

My apparent fixation? Maybe if you paid attention to the discussions that took place here over the past 2-3 years or so, you'd understand. Thanks for the drama. ;-)

For the record, DCM was satisfying their agreement, which was an LMA with payments towards buying the station. They were yanked off the air so the Indian format could go on.

As far as not satisfying leases, ask their former tower company about back rent from WDDM...

 

[d21ofnj]

I wonder if they could have moved to 87.9, since that's open to displaced LPFMs.

Not sure, probably it will interfere with WYGG 88.1.

 

[nd2023]

I wonder how long Hum Desi will stay on 98.7-HD2. ESPN will probably want control of the HDs, and they can outbid Hum Desi. ESPN will also want to turn off the HD when there's a live game.

The owner of WPDI won't want to compete against itself with 100.7 where most of the Indians live in the Edison area. As it is, their own 104.7 translator kills their signal in Edison. WPRB-HD2 is a non-factor because there are no HD radios out there, and WPRB doesn't come in HD north of North Brunswick.

 

[WNTIRadio]

I would take the 104.7 translator dark so I could pick up WPDI at the 100.7 site in Edison. All it is is a roadblock to them right now. Don't know what the contract terms are with WWFM; I'm assuming that they would have to honor that contract before they pulled the plug.

I don't know how you could null out the translator to pick up WPDI at the 100.7 site. The signal strength and ratios are not in favor of doing so, even with a highly directional antenna it would be a tough catch.

 

[jerseygirl1]

I would take the 104.7 translator dark so I could pick up WPDI at the 100.7 site in Edison. All it is is a roadblock to them right now. Don't know what the contract terms are with WWFM; I'm assuming that they would have to honor that contract before they pulled the plug.

I don't know how you could null out the translator to pick up WPDI at the 100.7 site. The signal strength and ratios are not in favor of doing so, even with a highly directional antenna it would be a tough catch.

Based on some quick research 104.7 does NOT belong to the WPDI folks unless someone on staff shares a name with the Translator owner according to FCC records...

http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?call=W284BW

If that is true, WPDI has NO say in the matter as to what the "owner" of W284BW chooses to do or NOT do. I would say the obvious answer is that there is NO connection because even though revenue IS revenue, WHY would they sacrifice their complimentary coverage with 100.7 to the "competition" which is what I guess "Hum Desi" is, unless the contract issue comes into play and they have to honor it. W284BW has a great height advantage over WPDI from some quick radio-locator checking and so that might explain why it has the apparent "edge" in coverage. That said, I can hear a blend of the translator and WPDI near Hazlet which as a licensed station (even as a Class D) is taking on a great deal of interference from W284BW in their COL so I would think in my general assessment that WPDI will see that W284BW doesn't have long to be in the picture. Unless it relocates (which is still a long-shot) or is reallocated a new frequency it's soon to be dark. This would be no big deal to MCC since their signal on the main carrier can still be heard fairly well in the area.

Also if I'm not mistaken, this same translator has reportedly caused a great deal of problems for WRNJ's translator on the same frequency but the rules are looser for translator to translator interference so it appears that they have a CP to reformat their signal with W284AQ. Should be interesting to see how this one plays out. My odds go to WPDI's hand.

http://www.radio-locator.com/info/W284AQ-FX

Thanks for reading.

PS - I actually thought their audio on WPDI has a lot more of a "punch" then the previous run on 89.3 FM. Maybe they invested in some new equipment... but that was only when I got south of Sayreville.

 

[jvn]

I seem to remember from another thread when 89.3 was on the air from telegraph hill that the engineer for the station posted that in order for the Edison translator to pick up a clear signal from 89.3 he had to put it in mono which is why they were mono for so long. Since the new frequency is still only 10 watts (according to radio locator) but now in stereo shouldn't that make it hard for the signal to reach the Edison translator when and if they decide to retransmit WPDI from the Edison location ?

 

[WNTIRadio]

They're not going to reach Edison with the 104.7 translator on the air mere miles away.

Remember, it's the same people that own the translators (104.7 and 100.7) and WPDI.

So the options are:

- Turn off 104.7 translator when WWFM deal is up
- Directionalize the translator on 104.7 away from Edison with a severe null. This could void the deal with WWFM however, as they are leasing a property that is licensed as non-directional.
- Continue to operate as they are, taking the cash in hand for the WWFM deal.

They were never licensed to be on Telegraph hill on 89.3. I believe they were operating under an STA.

 

[nd2023]

I would take the 104.7 translator dark so I could pick up WPDI at the 100.7 site in Edison. All it is is a roadblock to them right now. Don't know what the contract terms are with WWFM; I'm assuming that they would have to honor that contract before they pulled the plug.

I don't know how you could null out the translator to pick up WPDI at the 100.7 site. The signal strength and ratios are not in favor of doing so, even with a highly directional antenna it would be a tough catch.

Based on some quick research 104.7 does NOT belong to the WPDI folks unless someone on staff shares a name with the Translator owner according to FCC records...

http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?call=W284BW

If that is true, WPDI has NO say in the matter as to what the "owner" of W284BW chooses to do or NOT do. I would say the obvious answer is that there is NO connection because even though revenue IS revenue, WHY would they sacrifice their complimentary coverage with 100.7 to the "competition" which is what I guess "Hum Desi" is, unless the contract issue comes into play and they have to honor it. W284BW has a great height advantage over WPDI from some quick radio-locator checking and so that might explain why it has the apparent "edge" in coverage. That said, I can hear a blend of the translator and WPDI near Hazlet which as a licensed station (even as a Class D) is taking on a great deal of interference from W284BW in their COL so I would think in my general assessment that WPDI will see that W284BW doesn't have long to be in the picture. Unless it relocates (which is still a long-shot) or is reallocated a new frequency it's soon to be dark. This would be no big deal to MCC since their signal on the main carrier can still be heard fairly well in the area.

Also if I'm not mistaken, this same translator has reportedly caused a great deal of problems for WRNJ's translator on the same frequency but the rules are looser for translator to translator interference so it appears that they have a CP to reformat their signal with W284AQ. Should be interesting to see how this one plays out. My odds go to WPDI's hand.

http://www.radio-locator.com/info/W284AQ-FX

Thanks for reading.

PS - I actually thought their audio on WPDI has a lot more of a "punch" then the previous run on 89.3 FM. Maybe they invested in some new equipment... but that was only when I got south of Sayreville.

If they aren't co-owned, all they need is a few listener complaints from Edison and the 104.7 translator will be shut off. It won't be hard to send a few employees to stand on Oaktree Road and get some people to fill out a form stating that they want to listen to the Indian music on WPDI, but the translator is blocking them. Thunder 106.3 did that with the 106.3 translator in New York, and within 2 weeks the translator was shut off for a year. 106.3 went back on a year later with reduced power and height, and Thunder 106.3 complained again. The translator's power was further reduced.

If they are co-owned, I doubt they would enter into a long term contract with WWFM if they also filed an application to move 89.3 to 104.7, because that would just be foolish. Might have been just a 1 year contract, so they can wait it out. Don't know how long the 100.7 contract with Hum Desi is, but I won't think it would be a long term contract if they're planning to relaunch Dhoom on 104.7. They can make more money broadcasting their own programming on the translators.