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92.7 FM/1130 AM in Brazil

busterluck said:
I think I can end the speculation for the second translator Emmis intends to buy and use: First the one moved into Indy, and the second one is K241BS tha is a fill in for their suburban 97.1 KFTK. It s shameful that Emmis did not have the money to buy the Terre Haute 102.7 when it was being shopped by Crossroads. It sold to Midwest for only 1.2 million. Crossroads paid around 3 million for it when they bought it. Of course Emmis had to sell the three big FMs recently to keep their ship afloat
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KFTK has a 60dbu signal well beyond the St Louis city limits and a 70dbu over most all of St Louis. Unless they are using it with an HD2 or HD3 to beef another lesser signal up?
 
KFTK's signal isn't nearly as good as it looks on paper. So, that's a possibility. They were airing KFTK on KIHT-HD2 to cover the signal deficiencies around town. However, a classical broadcaster will be leasing KIHT-HD2 soon to feed its own translator. So, Buster may be onto something.
 
Remember KFTK is allocated to St Charles, MO, but is licensed to Florissant, Missouri. There is an IF taboo between 97.1 and 107.7 so the 97.1 has to remain over 25 miles away from the 107.7 transmitter in St Louis. 97.1 is not a full market FM signal. Kent is correct.
 
Here is the link to the article in the "Tribune-Star" about the Emmis stations licensed to Brazil, Indiana. Anybody have ideas what they are doing for the ESPN station? http://tribstar.com/local/x86847920/Radio-group-enjoying-new-downtown-digs
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
1130 is a fairly blank frequency to the west. There are no stations on the frequency in Illinois or Missouri.

But any increase would require a directional antenna to protect:
WISN in Milwaukee
WEDI outside Cincinnati (Daytime-only)
WOFC in Murray, KY

So, Emmis might be able to build a 4 tower directional array to send more power due west down I-70, but I think you would be very optimistic if you thought WFNF could get 5kW days and 1kW nights. Note the above does not consider any adjacent station protections, so the pattern might need to be tighter
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Uh, I think you forgot about the 1130 in Detroit.
 
Nobody builds directional antennas these days...especially to enter the Terre Haute market.
 
It would be a lot less expensive to move the AM transmitter west towards Seelyville, Indiana. Besides, I question the land availability to build an extensive directional array on the present White Rock Road transmitter site. If the AM transmitter was to be moved west, there is plenty of farmland and reclaimed mining land that could be purchased with a willing seller.

As far as an FM station to carry the ESPN program, I am at a loss how Emmis is going to do this unless one of their stations goes HD and they carry it on the second channel. The only other way is to apply for a LPFM after November.

The article in the "Tribune-Star" leaves more questions than answers.
 
busterluck said:
A low power FM must be non-commercial. 100 watts @ 100 feet.
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Thanks, Busterluck!

What are the rules for a commercial, translator, then? The article in the "Tribune-Star" stated the 1130 Khz. frequency was definitely going to have an FM counter-part. Midwest owns the only other commercial frequencies in this town besides Emmis, except some of Word Power's stations which are religious.

I do know several people who work at the local Emmis station but I really don't want to call them and ask if they have been sworn to secrecy. My one share of Emmis stock wouldn't even get me past the receptionist.
 
Rosebud3 said:
What are the rules for a commercial, translator, then? The article in the "Tribune-Star" stated the 1130 Khz. frequency was definitely going to have an FM counter-part. Midwest owns the only other commercial frequencies in this town besides Emmis, except some of Word Power's stations which are religious.
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Somehow a non com (lower than 92.1) can be moved to above 92.1 and used by a commercial AM station for a translator:

http://www.radio-locator.com/info/W209AE-FX
 
Milo Miller said:
Looks like some much needed maintenance and new paint at the Brazil tower site. Maybe staying put for now?
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If the report that they are adding an FM translator for 1130 AM in Terre Haute is true, the need to move closer to Terre Haute is not nearly as great. Sure it would help 92.7's penetration in some of the downtown buildings, but hard to justify the expense of new land and putting up a new tower in Seelyville.

I like many are curious to what spot on the FM dial the translator (if it happens) would land.
 
According to the "Tribune-Star" article the General Manager, James Conner, stated the 1130 Khz. signal would be much better by February, 2013. The article also stated that a FM application would be made to parallel the 1130 Khz. programming. Mr. Conner did not state that it would be a full FM facility or a translator. By this statement of an "application", the second channel of an HD signal will not be considered although it still could be a possibility. The question is, how do you improve the 1130 Khz, signal by February?
 
Rosebud3 said:
The question is, how do you improve the 1130 Khz, signal by February?
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According to Milo Miller:
Milo Miller said:
Looks like some much needed maintenance and new paint at the Brazil tower site. Maybe staying put for now?
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If the ground radials (some folks use copper mats) were bad shape (copper will decay in the ground at an amazing rate if soil conditions are acidic) or are completely gone, and they replace them (which might not require a construction permit if they are rebuilt to the original configuration) that will improve the Daytime signal greatly if the copper in the ground is rotted.
 
When Crossroads sold the Western part of the tower location their was no consideration to the grounding plain on the western fringe. That area was a natural swamp but when the business that went in and had drainage tiles layed. During excavation I'm sure some of those copper grounds were damaged. Before all that took place am 1130 could easily heard on Indy's West side.
 
Going to WAAAYYY back machine...How did 1110 in Noblesville and 1130 in Brazil get along in regards to Indy??
Milo Miller said:
When Crossroads sold the Western part of the tower location their was no consideration to the grounding plain on the western fringe. That area was a natural swamp but when the business that went in and had drainage tiles layed. During excavation I'm sure some of those copper grounds were damaged. Before all that took place am 1130 could easily heard on Indy's West side.
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Not sure, 1130 wasn't strong but was heard. When Mike Pence's talk show first aired, Emmis didn't carry it live. Several callers from Avon said they were listening on am 1130. When I listened while at the airport their was no interference from 1110.
 
I heard 1110 once or twice from my dad's place in Avon while it was still on. Signal was listenable, but not as strong as most Indy AM signals. Probably on par with 920, 1370, or 1540. Can't really remember how it and 1130 compared back then.
 
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