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A stupid question from an East Coast viewer

> > Not to nitpick...just as Indiana is Eastern
> > *Standard* time year-round (until next year
> > or whenever they change it).
>
> (Picking that nit just a bit more ;-)
>
> Most of Indiana, except for the Central time
> zone areas near Chicago and Evansville and
> those five "illegal" (for 2+ more weeks)
> counties near Cincinnati and Louisville.
>
> Next spring will indeed be daylight-saving time
> in all of Indiana, however what time zone some
> counties will be in is another story.
>

Why can't the time zone problem in Indiana be solved by moving the time zone line to be the same as the state line? For that matter why shouldn't time zone lines follow state lines everywhere rather than splitting states?
 
>
> Why can't the time zone problem in Indiana be solved by
> moving the time zone line to be the same as the state line?
> For that matter why shouldn't time zone lines follow state
> lines everywhere rather than splitting states?
>
Must be TV markets or the close approx. to a major city in the time zone.
 
> Why can't the time zone problem in Indiana
> be solved by moving the time zone line to be
> the same as the state line?

Straying even more off-topic, but since you asked...

All of Indiana should be in the Central time zone.
All--OK, 99 percent--of Michigan should be in the
Central zone. Half of Ohio should be on Central.
(Think 82'30" west longitude.)

Over the years time zone boundaries have been moved
westward in many cases. Assuming Marion County
stays in the Eastern zone (and I don't believe they
have petitioned the USDOT to move to CT), next spring
Indy will--in effect--be on double daylight time.
 
> The networks' West Coast affiliates used to have
> their own graphic: "8 Pacific" instead of "8/7
> Central," for example. Now they use essentially
> the same one the East Coast affiliates use.

Exactamente, oh great collector of retro skeds! :)

The El-Lay network nerve centers--TV City, Burbank,
Prospect--used to be the origination points for the
left coast feed, either playing back their own tape
or 35mm film copies of programs or recording a live
show off the Telco line from NYC and playing it back
three hours later.

And they had their own booth announcers--hence the
"tonight at 8 on CBS" promo tags (CTNs to some, NIs to
others...don't know what ABC called their system cues).

Nowadays all the regular ABC/CBS/NBC sat feeds, including
Pacific, come out of the New York network centers.

BTW, if anyone can post a net origination summary for Fox,
it would be well appreciated--isn't L.A. their HQ?
 
>
> >
> > Why can't the time zone problem in Indiana be solved by
> > moving the time zone line to be the same as the state
> line?
> > For that matter why shouldn't time zone lines follow state
>
> > lines everywhere rather than splitting states?
> >
> Must be TV markets or the close approx. to a major city in
> the time zone.
>

It's the latter... NW Indiana is on CDT/CST because most of the population works in, near or with Chicago. In fact, a lot of people in South Bend I think work in Chicago since that's the farthest east the South Shore trains go. Now, I've heard that SB wants to move to Central time next year when Indiana starts observing DST. Of course, that would really screw up TV viewers in southern Michigan (who get SB stations).

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> > Must be TV markets or the close approx. to a major city in
>
> > the time zone.
> >
>
> It's the latter... NW Indiana is on CDT/CST because most of
> the population works in, near or with Chicago.

Another example that TV doesn't play much in a role is Richmond, IN -- on I-70, just west of the Ohio border. The county it's in (Wayne County, I think) is in the Dayton market, yet it's on standard time year-round.
 
> BTW, if anyone can post a net origination summary for Fox,
> it would be well appreciated--isn't L.A. their HQ?
>
When I used to have a big dish in the late-1990s, I noticed that Fox's satellite slates for both east and west both mentioned that they originated from Los Angeles. Safe to say they still do today.
 
> Here in the East (and in much of the Midwest), promos for tv
> shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain and
> Pacific timezones?
>
To be really clear, the big 4 networks offer 2 feeds - one for the Eastern Time Zone and one for Pacific Time. The Pacific one goes out 3 hours later (8-11 PT).

The Eastern feed is run live in Eastern and Central time zones (8-11 ET, 7-10 CT) and is delayed one hour for markets in Mountain Time. Those affiliates tape (or otherwise store) the shows for one hour before showing them with Prime Time starting at 7 pm MT.

To the poster who noted that Phoenix is "the same" as the west coast, that's not exactly true. Arizona affils still run prime time from 7-10, and they delay the ET feed to do this. They generally do not take the Pacific Feed. For this reason, Phoenix and Tucson still need to be counted as "Mountain Time" markets.

The Pacific feed is run live on the West Coast and - I believe - tape delayed for AK and HI. Mountain Time Zone stations NEVER take the Pacific feed, as it would be 2 hours later than they are used to.

Funny story:

When I was working for the ABC affiliate in Salt Lake, they were showing McGuyver (IIRC) at 7 pm local. Well, someone managed to tape over the second half hour of the show, which should have been taken off the bird between 6:30 and 7 pm local. It was some new kid in Master Control, and I think it became his last day at the station.

SO, station management scrambled and even asked permission to grab the feed live from KUSA (then ABC) in order to show the second half of McGuyver. No dice, the network officials would not ok it. So, they aired an episode of Jeopardy instead. Boy, were there a lot of p o'd seniors in Utah (and Idaho, and Wyoming, and Nevada) that night!!

I think that they eventually managed to tape the Pacific feed of the show so that it could be shown (much) later that night........at 1:35 am.
 
> Not to nitpick, but they're technically in the Mountain
> *Standard* time zone year-round, just as Indiana is Eastern
> *Standard* time year-round (until next year or whenever they
> change it).

Mountain Standard Time = Pacific Daylight Time = UTC - 7 hours

No matter what you call it, most of Arizona is on the same time as the West Coast right now.
 
Re: What about Hawaii and Alaska

> Since Alaska is 1 hour behind, and Hawaii is 2 hours (3 in
> the summer) behind. do they run west coast feed or they run
> east coast feed with tape delay to the west coast. Also, why
> does Fairbanks TV market runs prime time 8-11 instead of
> 7-11 (Execpt for ABC Alaska)?

Fairbanks has been on the 8-11 prime time schedule as long as I can remember (1984). National news also traditionally has been at 6:30 and syndicated programming from 7-8.

KTVF and KATN used to share NBC until about 1992, so tape delay with that was a necessity. Before the advent of satellite, the tapes were flown to Alaska from Seattle, so I presume tradition has kept them delaying the shows. But Anchorage doesn't delay the programming. Of course, ABC is a statewide feed, so that would explain the change for KATN.
 
Re: How about(A-boot) Canada Time zone?

> I notice that Canada doesn't run the normal 8ET/PT 7CT/MT
> like the US? I notice that the Mountain Time zone and the
> atlantic Time zone run from 8-11 instead of 7-10 or
> 9-Midnight. Also, I notice on CTV stations 8ET/9CT What? I
> thought CENTRAL Time zone in canad runs Prime Time 1 hour
> behind Eastern? Canada has weird Time zone programming.
>
The CBC has 5 feeds and runs on the same clock in each time zone with prime time at 7-10PM, except for CBC North and possibly Newfoundland/Labrador.

CTV's prime time is 8-11pm everywhere, but not in Saskatchewan (which doesn't use DST) from April-October. Those stations remain on the Central pattern year-round and run prime time at 7-10 local time. However, some individual programs air at different times in some markets.

Global uses 8-11 Atlantic/Eastern/Pacific and 7-10 Central/Mountain, following the US standard.

Not sure about A-Channel/CityTV or the French networks (although I'd assume that SRC has 5 feeds just like the CBC).
 
> Hi everyone:
>
> > As you no doubt know, the networks feed their morning
> shows
> > (Today, Good Morning America, The Early Show) on a
> > clock-time
> > schedule: 7 AM in all time zones.

Correct. During the hurricane coverage, the Today Show re-did parts of their first half hour for the West Coast. Katie would start out saying, "It's 7am PACIFIC TIME!". Al would do a special weather segment showing temperatures only in the far West portion of the U.S.

And, oddly, I was watching from Phoenix on MOUNTAIN STANDARD TIME.
 
> > > Must be TV markets or the close approx. to a major city
> in
> >
> > > the time zone.
> > >
> >
> > It's the latter... NW Indiana is on CDT/CST because most
> of
> > the population works in, near or with Chicago.
>
> Another example that TV doesn't play much in a role is
> Richmond, IN -- on I-70, just west of the Ohio border. The
> county it's in (Wayne County, I think) is in the Dayton
> market, yet it's on standard time year-round.
>
The simplest thing, to me, would be to make the Ohio-Indiana
line the time-zone boundary (like the Georgia-Alabama line).
Granted this would cause confusion in places like New Albany
and Jeffersonville, which are right across the Ohio River from
Louisville (and towns adjacent to Cincinnati as well), but
Phenix City, AL, is just across the Chattahoochee River from
Columbus, GA; Phenix City is on Central time, Columbus is on
Eastern. Problem: New Albany and Jeffersoville are used to
Eastern time; Phenix City is used to Central.

To the person who asked why time-zone boundaries split some
states, consider: if all of Tennessee and Kentucky were on
Eastern time, Eastern time would extend all the way to the
Mississippi River, which is getting pretty far west. There
was a time when all of Kentucky and (I think) Ohio and Michigan
were on Central. Would you consider putting all of Tennessee
and Kentucky, and Ohio and Michigan, on Central?

And don't tell anyone in the parts of Indiana that don't go
on daylight saving time that they're on Central Daylight Time;
they'll tell you in a hurry that they're on Eastern Standard
Time.
 
Maine on Atlantic Standard Time soon? Year-Round?

There was a recent move in the Maine Legislature to keep the state on Atlantic Standard Time year round, leaving the Eastern Time Zone in the process. They'd be an hour ahead of the rest of New England from spring to fall. Imagine the nightmare of NESN (New England Sports Network) advertising Boston Red Sox baseball or Boston Bruins hockey to those people in the Portland area! Portland is "Boston North" to some people as it is and is only two hours north by car or bus (Concord Trailways bus ride for me most of the time!). Doing this would screw up the TV networks and isolate them from the rest of New England. I, as a resident of greater Hartford, CT, don't want to reset his watch when he crosses the NH/ME state line on I-95. (By the way, except for some people in far northern and eastern Maine, most of the state's residents are greatly opposed to this possibility.)
 
> > Not to nitpick...just as Indiana is Eastern
> > *Standard* time year-round (until next year
> > or whenever they change it).
>
> (Picking that nit just a bit more ;-)
>
> Most of Indiana, except for the Central time
> zone areas near Chicago and Evansville and
> those five "illegal" (for 2+ more weeks)
> counties near Cincinnati and Louisville.

What exactly is "illegal" about it?

> Next spring will indeed be daylight-saving time
> in all of Indiana, however what time zone some
> counties will be in is another story.

Who/m made that decision?
 
Re: Maine on Atlantic Standard Time soon? Year-Round?

> There was a recent move in the Maine Legislature to keep the
> state on Atlantic Standard Time year round, leaving the
> Eastern Time Zone in the process. They'd be an hour ahead of
> the rest of New England from spring to fall. Imagine the
> nightmare of NESN (New England Sports Network) advertising
> Boston Red Sox baseball or Boston Bruins hockey to those
> people in the Portland area! Portland is "Boston North" to
> some people as it is and is only two hours north by car or
> bus (Concord Trailways bus ride for me most of the time!).
> Doing this would screw up the TV networks and isolate them
> from the rest of New England. I, as a resident of greater
> Hartford, CT, don't want to reset his watch when he crosses
> the NH/ME state line on I-95. (By the way, except for some
> people in far northern and eastern Maine, most of the
> state's residents are greatly opposed to this possibility.)
>
Do you mean the people who live closest to New Brunswick, which
is on AST, are the ones in favor of the change? That's what it
sounds like, and some of them may watch as much Canadian as
American television anyway.

I mentioned this once before, but if Maine did turn its clocks
ahead one hour, their stations would be on the same pattern as
the U.S. network affiliates in Hamilton, Bermuda. The network
news would be on at 7:30, primetime would run 9 PM-midnight
(8-midnight on Sundays). In daytime, the network morning shows
would be on at 8, and the first soap, The Young And The Restless,
wouldn't be on until 1:30 (although Guiding Light would be on in
Portland at 10 AM). That would play havoc with the CBS affiliates
in another way: The Price Is Right would be on at noon (AST);
would they move their noon newscasts to 1 PM to accommodate it?
I just don't know how any of this would fly with Maine viewers.
 
> Speaking of Mountain time, I can remember Curt Gowdy, who's
> from
> Wyoming (I think), reading promos for upcoming NBC shows
> during
> sports telecasts and wondering out loud: why don't they
> include
> Mountain time?
>

The practice of omitting Mountain Time also goes back to when there was not yet a consistent time for some of the stations that didn't have delay capabilities yet. Wasn't an old Phoenix retro listing here some combination of live-to-Eastern slots with some others on six day delay?


--Mike
 
Re: Maine on Atlantic Standard Time soon? Year-Round?

> Do you mean the people who live closest to New Brunswick,
> which
> is on AST, are the ones in favor of the change? That's what
> it
> sounds like, and some of them may watch as much Canadian as
> American television anyway.

According to WCSH-TV (NBC) channel 6 of Portland, those who like the idea the most are the people in Aroostook County (i.e., Presque Isle and Fort Kent) and much of Washington County (i.e., Calais). Again, thanks to their ties with Boston, this will never work in Portland, Biddeford or anywhere in southern Maine, really.

One argument for it, maybe? Sunrise is as early as 4:59 AM in Portland on June 21st (the first day of summer).
 
> > Speaking of Mountain time, I can remember Curt Gowdy,
> who's
> > from
> > Wyoming (I think), reading promos for upcoming NBC shows
> > during
> > sports telecasts and wondering out loud: why don't they
> > include
> > Mountain time?
> >
>
> The practice of omitting Mountain Time also goes back to
> when there was not yet a consistent time for some of the
> stations that didn't have delay capabilities yet. Wasn't an
> old Phoenix retro listing here some combination of
> live-to-Eastern slots with some others on six day delay?
>
>
> --Mike
>
From 1967, and it was Denver because I posted it. Some shows
aired live-to-Eastern slots, some shows that ran early in the
evening in the East (7:30 Eastern/5:30 Mountain) ran later in
the evening or several days later in the Mountain time zone.
Only ABC seemed to have a consistent pattern: it followed
Central time (6:30-10) Monday-Friday, but did live-to-the-East
on weekends; for example, Lawrence Welk was on at 8:30 (Eastern)/
6:30 (Mountain) on Saturday nights. (CBS and NBC did this on
Sunday nights: Walt Disney was on at 5:30 (Mountain), Ed Sullivan
at 6, Bonanza at 7.)

More than likely the CBS and NBC shows that ran live-to-the-East
aired between 8:30 and 11 (Eastern), 6:30 and 9 (Mountain).

But I think Gowdy's regular rant was a personal thing, since
he's from the Mountain time zone.

BTW, I've mentioned an article that appeared in TV Guide in
1972 about the inconveniences of scheduling in the Mountain
time zone; for instance, one woman claimed that her kids got
up at 6 AM on Saturday to watch Bugs Bunny. It was also possible
to watch Presidential news conferences BEFORE the network news
(especially in Arizona in the summer), then watch the news and
see if the correspondents predicted correctly what questions would
be asked.
 
Re: How about(A-boot) Canada Time zone?

> ...I'd assume that SRC has 5 feeds just like the CBC.
>
Actually, four -- Radio-Canada stations in the Maritimes use the eastern feed.
 
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