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ADL responds to Rhodes comments

Re: CC have some affiliation with Jones Nework?

> > Rhodes show is often
> > time-shifted to make room for Schultz on Clear Channel
> > stations. Nothing new there at all.

> However, in the 2 cases I have listed previously Rhodes is
> standby programming in case there is no local show. So
> "time-shifted" may not be entirely accurate.

I don't know what you mean by "standby." I am only speaking about stations on which she is a scheduled talk show.

> I wonder if CC has some affiliation with Jones Nework? On
> their liberal stations is Schutz an official anchorman? From
> what I hear it seems like it.

DR paid launch bonuses to stations who cleared Schultz live, which is the big reason why many CC stations launched with Schultz live and Randi moved forward on time delay. Al Franken is the "star" of AAR affiliates, CC included.
 
Re: Logic Games--Logic 1, RBA 0

> > Come on--Free Republic is a general topic board. You
> cannot
> > graft onto the entire open board the perceived opinions of
>
> > certain posters. I'm sure some posters here, and some
> > probably have advocated, some socialist positions. Is
> > Radio-Info, then, a socialist board? The answer is no.
>
> Major freeper campaigns erupt from the Free Republic site
> against libtalk radio and websites. The talking points get
> distributed and then you get the hostile callers reading
> them. Many libtalk hosts monitor the Free Republic site
> because of the inevitable calls that result.
>

Quite correct. Opposition research. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I took issue with RBA's continued (see below) implicit--oe maybe explicit--contention that Free Republic is a racist website and that all posters are racists.

If "freepers" are going to call libtalk shows (I believe Rush calls these types of caller "seminar callers"--and they exist on both sides), then the libtalk hosts should know what they're going to say and combat it effectively. I applaud their show prep, as it shows professionalism.
 
Re: Logic Games--Logic 1, RBA 0

> Yes, the posters are racist. But I'm more concern with the
> racist who runs the website. The one that says it costs him
> $70,000 to run the website every quarter.
>

Every poster is racist? Is that what you're saying? Or certain posters, and you want to graft that idea upon every poster of the Free Republic site?

And who is this guy who runs the website? How do you know he's a racist, and that his racist views (probably unbeknownst to posters, and probably uninteresting to them as well) taint the other posters there? Is this part of a grand scheme to only allow racists on Free Republic? If so, show your proof.

Otherwise, whatever.
 
Re: Logic Games--Logic 1, RBA 0

> > Yes, the posters are racist. But I'm more concern with
> the
> > racist who runs the website. The one that says it costs
> him
> > $70,000 to run the website every quarter.
> >
>
> Every poster is racist? Is that what you're saying? Or
> certain posters, and you want to graft that idea upon every
> poster of the Free Republic site?
>
> And who is this guy who runs the website? How do you know
> he's a racist, and that his racist views (probably
> unbeknownst to posters, and probably uninteresting to them
> as well) taint the other posters there? Is this part of a
> grand scheme to only allow racists on Free Republic? If so,
> show your proof.
>
> Otherwise, whatever.
>
I guess I hit a nerve. No, not every poster on that website is a racists. Some are. Do you really think it costs 70,000 a quarter to run that crappry website?
 
Is it a CC bait and switch?

> I don't know what you mean by "standby." I am only speaking
> about stations on which she is a scheduled talk show.
I wonder if there is a CC management policy of scheduling Rhodes on the stations website then running local shows as a priority. They get the bait and switch, people like me tune in for the wild woman Randi Rhodes but instead get some no-talent local yokel.

> DR paid launch bonuses to stations who cleared Schultz live
That sounds like an activity Liberals accuse Corporate Media of ...<P ID="signature">______________
• K5ZN</P>
 
Re: Logic Games--Logic 1, RBA 0

> I guess I hit a nerve. No, not every poster on that website
> is a racists. Some are. Do you really think it costs
> 70,000 a quarter to run that crappry website?
>

Didn't hit a nerve--I don't care. I've been to Free Republic exactly twice. I view it as Democratic Underground and/or Daily Kos for the right-wing. A bunch of people together to agree that the otherside is a bunch of [insert your favorite combination of Nazi, Communist, Gay, Fascist, Mother-loving, Sexually deprived, Uneducated, etc.] idiots who want to take the country backwards or forwards into oblivion. What irks me is faulty logic such that a single opinion expressed by someone on a message board taints or otherwise negatively (and prohibitively) colors the views of others who choose to frequent or post on that board. There is a disconnect there.

Some posters may be racists; some may not be. But those that are do not taint the entire website nor do they taint other posters by association, and from time to time there may be a bit of interesting stuff on Free Republic that deserves to be posted or linked here.

I don't know how much a website costs to run. $70,000 each quarter may be the market price; it may not be. I've never looked into it. And I refuse to pass judgment on the price. Servers are expensive I know that, but otherwise, i have no clue.

But the fact that this website owner (unnamed) says it costs that much leads not to the truth or falsity of the Freepers claims posted above; nor does it lead to his alleged racism. This is what we call, in debate, a red herring--or a "look at the bird" scenario.
 
THE BIG REASON?

CC has no corporate connection with Jones Radio. Both are in the radio syndication business, so to some extent they are competitors. And Jones provides programming to some Clear Channel stations.

To the best of my knowledge, all Clear Channel-owned progressive talk stations run Ed Schultz live and Randi Rhodes on delay.

I have read that Democracy Radio paid bonuses for stations to clear Schultz. This is common practice in radio syndication. I have also read (on this website) that Air America Radio has also paid bonuses to stations. Democracy Radio sold their interest in the Ed Schultz Show several months ago to a commercial syndicator (owned by two former Clear Channel executives). I have seen nothing indicating whether or no the new syndicator pays any bonuses.

I question the assertion that a bonus was "the big reason" Clear Channel stations launched with Schultz. (Are there any published statments from Clear Channel to this effect?) Schultz already had a track record in syndication before Air America Radio launched. Before that, Schultz broadcast locally for the company's WFGO in Fargo, North Dakota (where his show continues to originate). Schultz was a known commodity to Clear Channel. I suspect a bigger reason for CC going with Schultz is Schultz' past performance gave Clear Channel reason to expect he would do well. That and the belief that Schultz, as a midwesterner, would play better in much of the country than a New Yorker.

I also question the statment Franken is "the star" of AAR affiliates. On what is this statement based (besides the heavy promotion AAR has given Franken)? It is doubtful Arbitron data would support this claim. Arbitron reports midday ratings between 10 am and 3 pm. Franken's numbers are lumped with those of Springer or Miller (in the East) and with those of Schultz or Rhodes (in the West). Program-specific ratings are only available for programs in drive times.

Some people seem to want to disparage Democracy Radio and non-AAR progressive talk hosts. Apparently they want AAR to become the Microsoft of progressive talk with no room other syndicated or local hosts (referred to here as "some no talent local yokel").

>
> DR paid launch bonuses to stations who cleared Schultz live,
> which is the big reason why many CC stations launched with
> Schultz live and Randi moved forward on time delay. Al
> Franken is the "star" of AAR affiliates, CC included.
>
 
Re: Logic Games--Logic 1, RBA 0

> Didn't hit a nerve--I don't care. I've been to Free
> Republic exactly twice. I view it as Democratic Underground
> and/or Daily Kos for the right-wing. A bunch of people
> together to agree that the otherside is a bunch of [insert
> your favorite combination of Nazi, Communist, Gay, Fascist,
> Mother-loving, Sexually deprived, Uneducated, etc.] idiots
> who want to take the country backwards or forwards into
> oblivion. What irks me is faulty logic such that a single
> opinion expressed by someone on a message board taints or
> otherwise negatively (and prohibitively) colors the views of
> others who choose to frequent or post on that board. There
> is a disconnect there.
>
> Some posters may be racists; some may not be. But those
> that are do not taint the entire website nor do they taint
> other posters by association, and from time to time there
> may be a bit of interesting stuff on Free Republic that
> deserves to be posted or linked here.
>
> I don't know how much a website costs to run. $70,000 each
> quarter may be the market price; it may not be. I've never
> looked into it. And I refuse to pass judgment on the price.
> Servers are expensive I know that, but otherwise, i have no
> clue.
>
> But the fact that this website owner (unnamed) says it costs
> that much leads not to the truth or falsity of the Freepers
> claims posted above; nor does it lead to his alleged racism.
> This is what we call, in debate, a red herring--or a "look
> at the bird" scenario.
>
What's Democratic Underground?
Here's some hate speech from the founder of Free Republic. It ain't racist, but it just shows what type of person and his "freepers" are all about.

Free republic founder Jim Robinson. "Bill and Hillary Clinton were the worst presidents in our nation's history. Corruption, government abuse, treason and daily scandal were the norm under their rule. Bill is a useful idiot who can't keep his mouth shut or his zipper up and Hillary is an America hating godless communist power monger... Bill and Hillary Clinton and their minions still wield a tremendous amount of power and influence over the Democrat Party, the socialist movement and the national press. Their goals are to completely eliminate our rights to free speech, free religion, freedom to keep and bear arms, etc... The overall goal of their movement is to completely do away with the U.S. Constitution and in its place, install socialist/totalitarian rule over America."
 
Re: Is it a CC bait and switch?

> > I don't know what you mean by "standby." I am only
> speaking
> > about stations on which she is a scheduled talk show.
> I wonder if there is a CC management policy of scheduling
> Rhodes on the stations website then running local shows as a
> priority. They get the bait and switch, people like me tune
> in for the wild woman Randi Rhodes but instead get some
> no-talent local yokel.
>
> > DR paid launch bonuses to stations who cleared Schultz
> live
> That sounds like an activity Liberals accuse Corporate Media
> of ...
>

Actually, it could be an issue of CC not updating their website (they are notorious with this).

Or it was a fill-in (auditioning local talent?).<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Re: THE BIG REASON?

> I have read that Democracy Radio paid bonuses for stations
> to clear Schultz.

LIVE... this was an important distinction.

> I have also read (on this website) that Air
> America Radio has also paid bonuses to stations.

This one I have not seen proven here at all. In fact, it's highly questionable whether this one is true.

> I question the assertion that a bonus was "the big reason"
> Clear Channel stations launched with Schultz. (Are there
> any published statments from Clear Channel to this effect?)
> Schultz already had a track record in syndication before Air
> America Radio launched. Before that, Schultz broadcast
> locally for the company's WFGO in Fargo, North Dakota (where
> his show continues to originate). Schultz was a known
> commodity to Clear Channel.

I *really* doubt CC relied on Schultz's track record in FARGO, NORTH DAKOTA of all places in making a choice on which to choose. Cash talks a lot louder in this business. Besides, DR was making a stink to get live clearances for Schultz, and the only noise AAR was making at the time was to ask that Franken ran live, but no money changed hands for that. Randi wasn't getting much respect at AAR's launch.

> I also question the statment Franken is "the star" of AAR
> affiliates. On what is this statement based (besides the
> heavy promotion AAR has given Franken)?

If you look at all AAR promotion done by Clear Channel stations, you're going to see Al Franken first and foremost. He is certainly better known than Schultz anyway.

> Some people seem to want to disparage Democracy Radio and
> non-AAR progressive talk hosts. Apparently they want AAR to
> become the Microsoft of progressive talk with no room other
> syndicated or local hosts (referred to here as "some no
> talent local yokel").

Who are these mystery people?
 
Re: Logic Games--Logic 1, RBA 0

> What's Democratic Underground?
> Here's some hate speech from the founder of Free Republic.
> It ain't racist, but it just shows what type of person and
> his "freepers" are all about.
>
> Free republic founder Jim Robinson. "Bill and Hillary
> Clinton were the worst presidents in our nation's history.
> Corruption, government abuse, treason and daily scandal were
> the norm under their rule. Bill is a useful idiot who can't
> keep his mouth shut or his zipper up and Hillary is an
> America hating godless communist power monger... Bill and
> Hillary Clinton and their minions still wield a tremendous
> amount of power and influence over the Democrat Party, the
> socialist movement and the national press. Their goals are
> to completely eliminate our rights to free speech, free
> religion, freedom to keep and bear arms, etc... The overall
> goal of their movement is to completely do away with the
> U.S. Constitution and in its place, install
> socialist/totalitarian rule over America."
>

That's the type of crap I don't read. Which is why I don't visit Free Republic. That sentiment can probably be grafted upon most Freepers--it's the racism I'm not certain about. But I'm sure you didn't mean that anyway.

Democratic Underground is *very* similar to Free Republic. In fact take that above quote, delete "Bill and Hillary Clinton" and insert "George Bush and Dick Cheney" and you'd probably be labeled a hero at DU. I like to go there for a laugh on a slow day.

Of course, this type of "discourse" has been around forever (read some history on the 1800 election--makes Bush v. Kerry look positively posh and Ivy League). It's just that now, it takes place online in open fora instead of at bars over beer(s).
 
My denigrating comments about local talkers...

> other syndicated or local hosts (referred to here as "some no talent local yokel").

These are good insights, thank you. However, my "local yokel" statement is not disparaging of local programming in general, but rather my reaction at hearing very inexperienced and uninteresting local(s) displacing a good syndicated talker. We have a situation here now in Santa Fe where a barely listenable local show displaces AAR programming.

I don't know what the solution is. I commend the network for wanting a local talk show but in a small town like Santa Fe (or even Spokane or Boulder) it can be a real challenge finding talent.<P ID="signature">______________
• K5ZN</P>
 
Re: Clear Channel's renegade programming...

> > But which affiliates have "dropped" Rhodes?
> Maybe the word "dropped" was too absolute. I spent the
> summer in Spokane and listened to Clear Channel's 1280. I
> got plenty of Schultz but never heard Rhodes. They typically
> had a local show on in that slot although the website lists
> Rhodes. I knew thay had Rhodes on because other people had
> told me thay heard her on in the drivetime.
>
> Same with CC's 760 Boulder, although I have heard people say
> they heard Rhodes on after Schultz, I never heard her
> myself. KKZN seems very free to shuffle schedules to their
> immediate liking.

Rhodes was out a lot this year with health problems, recovering
from surgery, etc. Air America used a bunch of people to fill-in
for her, including some hosts from local affiliates. That may be
why you heard other hosts in her usual time slot (after Schultz
on most Clear Channel progressive-talk stations).
 
CC, Jones, Schultz, Rhodes and Miller

> I wonder if CC has some affiliation with Jones Nework? On
> their liberal stations is Schutz an official anchorman? From
> what I hear it seems like it.

I don't know anything about, or have any evidence of, the financial arrangements between Jones Radio Network and stations which clear Ed Schultz. I do know that Jones is *very* aggressive in selling shows, and have heard from progressive talk PDs that they are very insistent on getting him on with a live clearance.

Furthermore, it appears that financially-supported or not, Clear Channel basically has a nationwide deal with Jones to run Schultz live in PM drive locally (ET). It may just be because they consider his show to be stronger in that time slot. Just about every CC libtalker I know (including the one here) runs Randi immediately following Ed. Here, the station (WARF/1350 Akron) even waited until the then-incumbent AAR affiliate changed format, and picked up both Randi (6-10 PM) and Al Franken (noon-3 live). Not all stations pick up all 4 hours of Randi's show...the CC liberal talk station in Columbus, WTPG/1230, only runs an hour from 6-7 PM.

I'm not really a listener of Ed's show, but the Ed-to-Randi combo is a decent combo as far as listener appeal, IMHO.

It does not appear that Jones' other high-profile talker, Stephanie Miller (9-noon ET live) gets the same hard-carry-her-live-sell, but she does do morning drive at her now-flagship station, KTLK/1150 in Los Angeles. CC, of course, has an ownership stake in Jerry Springer, also in that time slot, which is probably what's going on here.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: CC, Jones, Schultz, Rhodes and Miller

>
> Furthermore, it appears that financially-supported or not,
> Clear Channel basically has a nationwide deal with Jones to
> run Schultz live in PM drive locally (ET). It may just be
> because they consider his show to be stronger in that time
> slot.

But then why does CC run Rhodes in PM drive in the west? Answer: because CC has a nationwide deal with Jones to run Schultz live, period, whether that puts him in PM drive or not.
 
Re: CC, Jones, Schultz, Rhodes and Miller

> But then why does CC run Rhodes in PM drive in the west?
> Answer: because CC has a nationwide deal with Jones to run
> Schultz live, period, whether that puts him in PM drive or
> not.

Why doesn't CC run Rush in PMD then? He, like Schultz, brings in big numbers on talent (he used to be talented) which boost middays. PMD brings a more diverse audience automatically, with more guaranteed people.
 
Re: THE BIG REASON?

> CC has no corporate connection with Jones Radio. Both are
> in the radio syndication business, so to some extent they
> are competitors. And Jones provides programming to some
> Clear Channel stations.

Only because they produce top liberal talk shows. I don't see very many CC stations clearing Boortz or Clark Howard.

> I also question the statment Franken is "the star" of AAR
> affiliates. On what is this statement based (besides the
> heavy promotion AAR has given Franken)? It is doubtful
> Arbitron data would support this claim. Arbitron reports
> midday ratings between 10 am and 3 pm. Franken's numbers
> are lumped with those of Springer or Miller (in the East)
> and with those of Schultz or Rhodes (in the West).
> Program-specific ratings are only available for programs in
> drive times.

From numbers I've seen in a few western markets, Franken does surprisingly well. I believe #1 in Phoenix.
 
Re: Is it a CC bait and switch?

> > I don't know what you mean by "standby." I am only
> speaking
> > about stations on which she is a scheduled talk show.
> I wonder if there is a CC management policy of scheduling
> Rhodes on the stations website then running local shows as a
> priority. They get the bait and switch, people like me tune
> in for the wild woman Randi Rhodes but instead get some
> no-talent local yokel.

I don't think if you stopped people in the street in Spokane or any other CC libtalker market and asked them who Randi Rhodes was, that they'd know. People discover her by tuning in for liberal talk in general.
 
Re: ADL = politically correct goon squad

the adl was found guilty of spying on american citizens ...collecting illegally obtained confidential police files on individuals and groups and sending them to Israel by way of South Africa

...they are a self appointed pc goon squad and what they say has no credibility...there is an excellent book called the "Holocaust Industry" (written by a person of the Jewish faith by the way) that points out this activity by the ADL....
 
Re: CC, Jones, Schultz, Rhodes and Miller

> But then why does CC run Rhodes in PM drive in the west?
> Answer: because CC has a nationwide deal with Jones to run
> Schultz live, period, whether that puts him in PM drive or
> not.

Right, that's why I said "PM drive, locally (ET)", since I'm in the Eastern time zone. Jones/P1 clearly wants Big Eddie live, no matter if that puts him in middays PT.

He's most concerned, I'd assume, about the largest part of the listener base in markets east of the Rockies, and I don't think he wants to delay his show into PM drive PT for several reasons:

* He doesn't want to run a taped show. They don't want to sent that precedent for the east.
* Delaying him into PM drive would give Randi Rhodes live midday clearances ahead of his show, and give her a chance to "undercut" what would be a then-recorded show of his, which would then have 3 hour-plus old information.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
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