Alt 92.3 to Become WINS Simulcast

[TheBigA]

If they simply just copied the success of Alt stations outside of NYC maybe it would have lasted. But NYC it is always a weird playlist that is doomed for failure.

The only real successful alt stations have very strong morning shows that aren't based on music. Case in point: KPNT.

 

[AceBiscuits]

New Jersey has 105.5 WDHA

And?

 

[mikerock]

WNEW is performing quite respectably, so no chance it will flip any time soon.

How dare they not make it "New York's Rock Alternative" and the place where "Rock lives". They could come back using liners like "New York's rock station for over 32 years".

If they went Triple-A they could even play some of Scott Muni's old interviews.

 

[davideduardo]

https://www.audacy.com/new1027/listen#recently-played

How is NEW 102.7 doing in the ratings? What are the chances of them flipping to Alt rock some day?

They are doing better than Alt was doing. Chances of a format declared dead in NYC going on a profitable station: zero.

 

[AceBiscuits]

How dare they not make it "New York's Rock Alternative" and the place where "Rock lives". They could come back using liners like "New York's rock station for over 32 years".

If they went Triple-A they could even play some of Scott Muni's old interviews.

One can dream!

 

[Barry]

There are a couple of country stations on the island, most notably WJVC.

WJVC is the only Country station on Long Island. Their signal doesn't reach most of the population. But their playlist is rather adventurous.

 

[PTBoardOp94]

They always do this in NYC which is why these stations fail. Each format you mentioned reeked of death and sounded like they were just waiting to switch formats any day. They were not the kind of stations you would allow yourself to get accustomed to coming back to since it was obvious they were not in it for the long term.

The latest incarnation of Alt 92.3 would have had its fifth birthday in early November. Nash 94.7 / NY Country 94.7 lasted almost 9 years. Neither ever saw much success in the ratings. Alt on 92.3 failed under two separate owners, many years apart, and Country on 94.7 failed under two separate owners, back-to-back.

Sure seems like a long term commitment to me.

 

[tall_guy1]

The size of the market has no bearing on the success of specific formats. What matters is the percentage of people in a market... any market... who like a specific format.

Due to fragmentation within alternative rock, what we have are several distinct varieties, much of which does not overlap. The result is that any specific variety of alternative rock can't get a high enough share to be a sales success.

Country in NYC is the victim of nearly zero lifestyle presence and only a small partisan group. Advertisers just don't buy stations that are 15th or so in their target demographic.

There is also no Regional Mexican station, despite there being about a million Mexicans in the market. Not enough of them would listen to get a big rating and, thus, sales.

And in general, the increasing percentage of Blacks and Hispanics makes rhythmic music more prevalent. When a major group is so large, it can push tastes. In fact, more than half the market in 18-34 is Black or Hispanic and that pushes what is exposed in clubs, festivals, street fairs and the like. New York is a rhythmic town now, not a rock town.

It's just that alt USED to do well....

 

[mikerock]

The latest incarnation of Alt 92.3 would have had its fifth birthday in early November. Nash 94.7 / NY Country 94.7 lasted almost 9 years. Neither ever saw much success in the ratings. Alt on 92.3 failed under two separate owners, many years apart, and Country on 94.7 failed under two separate owners, back-to-back.

Sure seems like a long term commitment to me.

ALT sounded like it was limping along feeling like any day they were going to get the axe. It did not sound alive like it planned to stick around even though it lasted almost 4 years. This especially when they had such heavy repetition of mediocre old classics. Some that were very popish classics that really did not belong on the station. This provided way too many opportunities for fans of the format to tune out.

 

[davideduardo]

It's just that alt USED to do well....

So did big bands, Beautiful Music, Smooth Jazz and Oldies.

 

[Barry]

ALT sounded like it was limping along feeling like any day they were going to get the axe. It did not sound alive like it planned to stick around even though it lasted almost 4 years. This especially when they had such heavy repetition of mediocre old classics. Some that were very popish classics that really did not belong on the station. This provided way too many opportunities for fans of the format to tune out.

Brady, in announcing yesterday that the Alt format on WNYL will be ending, said they're "Going to play some damn good music, with some crap songs in between-there's always that."

 

[mikerock]

Brady, in announcing yesterday that the Alt format on WNYL will be ending, said they're "Going to play some damn good music, with some crap songs in between-there's always that."

That has really got to suck since I am sure these guys could see the train wreck coming with what they were doing with the "in-between" and wanted to stop it but had no say in the matter.

 

[davideduardo]

That has really got to suck since I am sure these guys could see the train wreck coming with what they were doing with the "in-between" and wanted to stop it but had no say in the matter.

At practically no station today do the jocks decide on the music. The listeners do, in generally well done music research.

 

[NYRadioFan22]

That has really got to suck since I am sure these guys could see the train wreck coming with what they were doing with the "in-between" and wanted to stop it but had no say in the matter.

How much power over the playlist did we actually have from texting "Like" or "Dislike"? Did they ever actually remove songs based on the number of dislikes?

 

[mikerock]

How much power over the playlist did we actually have from texting "Like" or "Dislike"? Did they ever actually remove songs based on the number of dislikes?

Apparently not, otherwise we would not have heard "Absolutely (Story of a Girl)" by Nine Days so frequently.

IDK, maybe my eyesight but I thought I noticed that they had songs like above played heavily in rotation every day but when I look on the "last song played" sites I do not remember seeing those repetitive songs. Since sometimes I would go back and check to see how many times they played those songs each day. It makes me wonder what is up with the automation related to those songs where that was happening.

 

[tall_guy1]

So did big bands, Beautiful Music, Smooth Jazz and Oldies.

Yeah, but with alt it was less than a decade ago it pulled decent numbers.

 

[Marcos_C]

Now Dallas gets it rock from the Internet, Sirius XM, and 97.1 HD2 on HD Radio as well as the classic rock on KZPS Lone Star 92.5 and Alt 92.3's Dallas sister station KVIL Alt 103.7 (but i could see the Alt branding being phased out and harder rock hits once played on The Eagle being added on to the playlist to keep the former Eagle listeners happy).

The same could be said about New York City's Alt Rock fix, they could get it from Sirius XM's Alt Nation, 92.3 HD 2 which i'm sure may have already relaunched under the Alt format, the Audacy App and all Alt Rock stations outside the market as well as 92.3 HD2 as well as the iHeartRadio app and TuneIn for the same reason and Spotify & Pandora as well as YouTube, as i said the same in the thread about the Eagle's demise, i say if you want to follow your favorite Alt Rock acts, follow them on their websites and social media to find out what's going on with the bands and acts, for more local acts, go to the local music venues that Alt Rock acts perform to discover them and the follow them on social media.

For the fans of alternative rock who have been listening to Alt 92.3, it has been a fun experience listening to the station together while it has lasted. On October 27, they will go their separate ways. Some will stream out-of-town alternative radio stations, others will get their music from the various music streaming services, and still others will move on to other types of music.

 

[mikerock]

At practically no station today do the jocks decide on the music. The listeners do, in generally well done music research.

Apparently not for NYC and like I said has to be tough being passengers like these DJ's seeing the obvious crash coming with what they are doing and having no ability to stop it.

 

[DarrenVision]

The size of the market has no bearing on the success of specific formats. What matters is the percentage of people in a market... any market... who like a specific format.

Due to fragmentation within alternative rock, what we have are several distinct varieties, much of which does not overlap. The result is that any specific variety of alternative rock can't get a high enough share to be a sales success.

Country in NYC is the victim of nearly zero lifestyle presence and only a small partisan group. Advertisers just don't buy stations that are 15th or so in their target demographic.

There is also no Regional Mexican station, despite there being about a million Mexicans in the market. Not enough of them would listen to get a big rating and, thus, sales.

And in general, the increasing percentage of Blacks and Hispanics makes rhythmic music more prevalent. When a major group is so large, it can push tastes. In fact, more than half the market in 18-34 is Black or Hispanic and that pushes what is exposed in clubs, festivals, street fairs and the like. New York is a rhythmic town now, not a rock town.

wow now im worried about WCBS-FM or Q104.3 but can tbh can NYC support a another sports radio station or launch and support 2 betting stations like VSIN or BetQL?

 

[MVB13]

Remember the time they played Olivia Rodrigo on Alt? Lol 😆 🤣